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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:57 AM Aug 2019

ContraPoints Is Political Philosophy Made for YouTube

I must say, if you are not prudish and don't have certain issues about gender, it seems that Natalie Wynn has her finger on the pulse of our culture and she provides some witty insights into it, and, in my opinion they are very crucial insights. If you are not hung up by the way it is presented, she brings intelligence, knowledge and feeling in a very entertaining and provocative way.

Having watched all of her videos, I can highly recommend them, not just for her views on gender and feminism, but for how she looks into our growing problem with our disaffected, disenfranchised, testosterone-driven young men. We tend to focus a lot on contents of who, what, where, when and why, but the klaxon going off almost everyday in the form of extremely violent acts is about the HOW. Just what is going on that brings about the commission of mass shootings?

We could focus on individuals only, and some may just be unstable, etc. However, I think there is a more general, cultural issue that is, for some reason, being overlooked or ignored, (denied) when it comes to many of these violent outcomes. If you don't get to the heart of the problem, then it may continue unabated and even increase.

Certainly, we need to address the problem with guns and place restrictions on certain weapons, etc. It seems to me that this is not going to be enough. The mental illness excuse, just like the violent video game speculations, as the causes, (rather than, perhaps, symptomatic in some degree) is distracting and even way off base when it comes to the underlying factors that are contributing to the horror show of results we see regularly. I think that the death and fear that is being injected into our day-to-day lives means we all have to look more deeply into this and see what is really going on here.

The video entitled, Men, really hits on some factors that contribute to this crises and might even suggest a change in our views and inject some sense into the body politic that will address what needs to be done rather than apply bandages to the bleeding wound over and over. In that video, she talks about the impact her series has had on de-radicalizing young men, but what they then tend to do is not really shocking, they then tend to shift far left and take on a different kind of radicalism which is indicative of the problem here.

The host defends her own positions according to the same principles. Wynn takes on the strongest version of her opponent’s argument, acknowledges when she thinks her opponents are right and when she has been wrong, clarifies when misunderstood, and provides plenty of evidence for her claims. Wynn is a former Ph.D. student in philosophy, and though her videos are too rich with dick jokes for official settings, her argumentative practice would pass muster in any grad seminar.

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Socrates knew that anyone who wishes to win minds must also win hearts. He didn’t just earn the intellectual respect of his students; he inspired love, too. His acolytes followed him around the marketplace, hanging on his word, and one of the most moving speeches in the Platonic canon is the description by Alcibiades of his hopeless infatuation with the older philosopher. And of course Plato’s dialogues themselves are, along with being philosophical masterpieces, early examples of fan fiction. In other words, Socrates persuaded by both the logic of argument and the dynamic of fandom. Wynn is beginning to grow a dedicated following of her own: Members of online discussion groups refer to her as “mother” and “the queen,” produce fan art, and post photos of themselves dressed as characters from her videos.

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This is the subtle difference between Wynn and many of her prominent YouTube counterparts on the right—the ones who summon their opponents to the arena of debate, hungry for victory and for the cheers of their supporters. Contra does her makeup, dons her pearls, and invites her opponents and her viewers into the parlor for cocktails and conversation. The talk isn’t quite a heart-to-heart. Contra’s burns are scorching, her satire precise, and many of her arguments reduce her opponents’ positions to rubble. But somehow, when she does it, the effect is humanizing rather than bullying. She’s flirting, not fighting.


https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/01/contrapoints-political-philosophy-natalie-wynn-youtube/579532/
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ContraPoints Is Political Philosophy Made for YouTube (Original Post) Newest Reality Aug 2019 OP
Natalie Wynn is great. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #1
IMHO the asnswer to all problems, personal and societal, lies in the teachings of The Buddha vlyons Aug 2019 #2
Thank you! Newest Reality Aug 2019 #3
4 Noble Truths for 4 Year Olds is about my speed, vlyons Aug 2019 #4
I liked it. Newest Reality Aug 2019 #5
Yes KaliYuga and also predicted by Padmasambhava vlyons Aug 2019 #6
That's for sure. Newest Reality Aug 2019 #7
Anger dissipates faster vlyons Aug 2019 #8
Yes... Newest Reality Aug 2019 #9

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. IMHO the asnswer to all problems, personal and societal, lies in the teachings of The Buddha
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 09:10 AM
Aug 2019

People lack self-discipline to not be seduced by desire and not be agitated with aversion. The 3 great poisons that afflict our minds, causing suffering to ourselves and others, are ignorance, greed, and hatred. We get upset when we don't get what we want, and upset when we get what we don't want.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Buddha's 4 Noble Truths for 4 Year Olds

1. Sometimes people feel sad.
2. Sometimes the thing that makes people sad is not getting what they want, or getting something that they don't want.
3. There is a way not to be so sad about not getting what you want, or getting what you don't want.
4. The way is to not think so much about what you want or don't want at all, but instead think about how you can be kind and helpful to your family, your teachers, your friends, other people, animals, and everything that lives.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. Thank you!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 09:26 AM
Aug 2019

I agree, and the kleshas that we see reality though are the samsara of suffering on the repetitive wheel of habitual patterns based on karma, (actions).

As you may realize, Western culture and America in particular is quite estranged from that kind of realization and there are so many factors that contribute to that, i.e,. advertising that induces unnecessary wants, etc. We have a very complex arrangement of inducements to more suffering, rather than an environment that promotes an effort to plumb the depths of its cause and discover liberation and enlightenment and a collective harmony.

That was an interesting paraphrasing of the Four Noble Truths. I have not seen it put that way before. It is always good to get some Dharma into the picture though

Tashi Delek

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
4. 4 Noble Truths for 4 Year Olds is about my speed,
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:20 AM
Aug 2019

and I'm 72 years and a Buddhist for 30+ years. We could also state the 4 Noble Truths as the Golden Rule, which everyone knows and understands, but not everyone practices. We live in very degenerate times.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
5. I liked it.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:28 AM
Aug 2019

Nice and simple and easy to understand.

Yes, cyclically, this really does appear to be the Mappo, (dharma ending age) or degenerate times as you said. That was predicted by Buddha, if I recall correctly and it was something like five phases of five-hundred years, no?

It also seems to correspond with the Kali Yuga.

Both are considered to be the cycles where the great darkness and imbalance peaks and we are furthest from the realization and truth and enlightenment seems quite difficult or impossible under the circumstances, whereas it was much simpler and easy to get early on. As far as impermanence is concerned, even this is it, just so, as a matter of the nature of change itself.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
6. Yes KaliYuga and also predicted by Padmasambhava
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:57 AM
Aug 2019

The good news about KaliYuga is that it is a target-rich field of opportunity to practice compassion. Anger arises in my mind too easily, but at last I know that anger is poison, not to nurture it, and to try to practice patience when it arises.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
7. That's for sure.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:06 AM
Aug 2019

As Longchenpa teachs in Dzogchen, the best way to deal with anger is to neither suppress it or indulge. Neither one works very well. To supress is like holding your thumb over the end of a garden hose to try to stop the water. It just builds up and sprays all the harder.

So, being mindful of it and letting it pass along in the sky of mind is a good practice. Often, we only realize angry fully after the fact and in the bad results it can have when it spurts out impulsively without mindful awareness. So, noticing more and being here in the moment are great tools and keys to that.

I also find that compassion has two aspects. One is to cultivate it and practice it daily, which is noble. The other is to recognize it as the heartbeat of reality itself issuing directly from the core of one's, (and all) being/nature. From there, one can take the step of realizing that this, right now, always IS compassion, no matter what the circumstances are. From there, it is more about intuiting appropriate behavior naturally and acting accordingly in each moment of each situation with ease and abiding in the flow and mode of what is, rather than what should be.


The first way is provisional, the second is definitive.

That is why it can be said: Every land is a Pure Land and the path is the one right beneath your feet.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
8. Anger dissipates faster
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:00 PM
Aug 2019

when I recognize that I'm experiencing anger, remember that it's impermanent, and ultimately empty. That unpleasant thing or person "out there" is not the cause of my anger, I am. It's just an old bad habit. Ditto for all the other afflictives. Actually I should be grateful to what appears as unpleasant. They offer the opportunity to practice patience.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
9. Yes...
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:01 PM
Aug 2019

The teachings are clear on our projection of the mind and names onto form, thus, not self.

When we find out experiential that there is no actual self or separate entity, this is liberation, and then the provisional skillful means unite with the definitive Wisdom as the endlessly unfolding multiplicity of absent appearances, open in pure and total presence of unity. It is already accomplished.

Watching our preferences and expectations can be useful too because, when they are not fulfilled we can easily react in various, unwholesome ways like frustration and anger, etc. Both are the past, (as are thoughts) trying to change the present moment which always is just as it is...so...suchness.

This is more like now then it every was before.

A Zen Master said once: "The Great Way is easy...except for those with preferences."

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