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applegrove

(118,499 posts)
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 08:36 PM Aug 2019

REVEALED: New documents show the Federalist Society has lied about its mission -- and could blow up

REVEALED: New documents show the Federalist Society has lied about its mission — and could blow up on sitting judges

By Matthew Chapman at Raw Story

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/revealed-new-documents-show-the-federalist-society-has-lied-about-its-mission-and-could-blow-up-on-sitting-judges/

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“Federalist Society documents that one of us recently unearthed, however, make this position untenable going forward,” they continued. “The documents, made public here for the first time, show that the society not only has held explicit ideological goals since its infancy in the early 1980s, but sought to apply those ideological goals to legal policy and political issues through the group’s roundtables, symposia and conferences.”

The newly discovered papers resided in the Library of Congress with the records of the late Judge Robert Bork, President Ronald Reagan’s failed Supreme Court nominee. In one private grant proposal to a prospective conservative donor in 1984, for example, Federalist Society President Eugene Meyer promised that the Federalist Society would promote “the formation of groups of conservative lawyers in the major centers for the practice of law, who feel comfortable believing in, and advocating, conservative positions.” He also suggested the group would advocate against environmental, banking, and employment regulation, and recommend judges for appointments.

All of this could have significant consequences. Earlier this year, the Code of Conduct for United States Judges was modified to prohibit judges from participating in conferences held by groups “generally viewed by the public as having adopted a consistent political or ideological point of view equivalent to the type of partisanship often found in political organizations.”

In light of these documents explicitly revealing the political goals of the Federalist Society, that means that sitting judges may be in violation of the Code if they attend Federalist Society seminars — something conservative judges at all levels of the court system do routinely to exchange ideas and proposals. (The Code is not binding on the Supreme Court, but is on appeals and district court judges.)

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REVEALED: New documents show the Federalist Society has lied about its mission -- and could blow up (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2019 OP
I have hope Sentath Aug 2019 #1
This is very important malaise Aug 2019 #2
Who didn't know this? underpants Aug 2019 #3
that was my EXACT question, underpants Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #5
I have a pocket sized Constitution from them underpants Aug 2019 #8
I know, right? mountain grammy Aug 2019 #12
My Thoughts RobinA Aug 2019 #18
Mostly on the CON side. Unfortunately, OUR side has a loooooooooooonnnng way to go calimary Sep 2019 #42
everything Republican is owned and operated by corrupt monied interests vlyons Sep 2019 #27
This. It's always been a political action group funded by Hortensis Sep 2019 #31
Past collusion should warrant impeachment randr Aug 2019 #4
Oh, be still my heart. kag Aug 2019 #13
Yes ck4829 Sep 2019 #22
Hear My Prayer Me. Aug 2019 #6
So what? Who is going to enforce the rules? Not a single Republican. bitterross Aug 2019 #7
Exactly. nt live love laugh Sep 2019 #37
It's wonderful if this provides a legal tool against it, but... JHB Aug 2019 #9
the tragedy is they could say what they want but couldn't do any more than move-on or certainot Aug 2019 #10
It's not a coincidence that that's the case. JHB Aug 2019 #17
i don't know who's responsible for convincing 1000s of liberal activists to ignore rw radio certainot Sep 2019 #23
My anecdotal experience has been that most Liberals MarcA Sep 2019 #35
a lot of liberals have fallen for the rw talking points that 1500 radio stations all repeating the certainot Sep 2019 #36
Nobody convinced anybody not to listen--and even live love laugh Sep 2019 #38
artificial intelligence makes it easy, cheap to digitize talk radio - ad industry will do the work certainot Sep 2019 #39
You are right it couldn't hurt and yes it has been live love laugh Sep 2019 #40
Please let it blow up. George II Aug 2019 #11
Could this result in lawyers demanding a different judge for cases they're defending... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2019 #14
Sounds good to me. TryLogic Aug 2019 #15
Or what if a ... aggiesal Aug 2019 #19
Lawyers RobinA Aug 2019 #20
..👍🏼 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #25
"to exchange ideas and proposals" -- proposals? TryLogic Aug 2019 #16
K&R ck4829 Sep 2019 #21
Raygun, Bork and Scalia UpInArms Sep 2019 #24
This!!! Newest Reality Sep 2019 #26
TUC Radio Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #28
I feel that there has been a general wave of amnesia UpInArms Sep 2019 #33
By the upturned nostrils of Betsy DeVos, ignorance is strength. Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #34
Fascinating. Thanks for those links/information. erronis Sep 2019 #32
Roberts and Scalito lied about Fed Society ties, during confirmation hearings. Mc Mike Sep 2019 #29
Except now that they are in charge of everything they can live love laugh Sep 2019 #30
The Code is not binding ... NotHardly Sep 2019 #41
Didn't Jane Mayer discuss the Federalist Society in her book "Dark Money"? FakeNoose Sep 2019 #43
If you read the economists they have stories of ceos realizing they can't just applegrove Sep 2019 #44

underpants

(182,627 posts)
3. Who didn't know this?
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 09:10 PM
Aug 2019

This must be a legal type thing. The Federalist Society has obviously been partisan it's entire existence.

underpants

(182,627 posts)
8. I have a pocket sized Constitution from them
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 10:03 PM
Aug 2019

Free. Hell I figured it was my duty to drain money from them. I got lots of mailers too.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
18. My Thoughts
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:43 PM
Aug 2019

exactly. And there’s nothing wrong with that. There are zillions of interest groups out there.

calimary

(81,125 posts)
42. Mostly on the CON side. Unfortunately, OUR side has a loooooooooooonnnng way to go
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:46 PM
Sep 2019

to catch up.

They were all busy building their infrastructure-from-Hell while our side skated and snoozed and, I guess, felt as though we got close enough to passage of the Equal Rights Amendment and other efforts that we should declare victory, give ourselves a nice break, and go take a nap.

Meanwhile, the bad guys kept working, building, working, building, and more working and more building. And by now, they're massively in control. They've practically run the table. And our side? Well, maybe, hopefully, they're starting to WAKE THE FUCK UP, FINALLY...

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
27. everything Republican is owned and operated by corrupt monied interests
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:24 AM
Sep 2019

It's about corruption, stupid. Follow the money.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. This. It's always been a political action group funded by
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:51 AM
Sep 2019

RW special interests, posing as a think tank like so many others of its type, but not much.

kag

(4,078 posts)
13. Oh, be still my heart.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:13 PM
Aug 2019

If I truly believed this Congress would actually act on such a notion, I'd be one very happy person.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
7. So what? Who is going to enforce the rules? Not a single Republican.
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 09:54 PM
Aug 2019

It's not like this is a surprise or wasn't completely obvious already.

Just like Trump though, no one is going to do anything about it.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
9. It's wonderful if this provides a legal tool against it, but...
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 10:04 PM
Aug 2019

...this has been glaringly obvious since the organization was formed. The whole "reason" for bringing it into existence was to "balance" the "liberal leaning" American Bar Association. Which it did in the same sense FOX News "balanced" "liberal media": Forcing things rightward by painting a nonpolitical organization as "liberal" (by which they meant it failed to advocate a conservative position).

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
10. the tragedy is they could say what they want but couldn't do any more than move-on or
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 10:33 PM
Aug 2019

many other major progressive orgs if they and ALEC and the GOP didn't have 1500 coordinated radio stations creating made to order constituencies for whatever bullshit or hack they wanted to sell - and it was and is all because the left/liberals/democrats ignore it

they couldn't do shit without that free speech free ride

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
23. i don't know who's responsible for convincing 1000s of liberal activists to ignore rw radio
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:25 AM
Sep 2019

and get their asses kicked over and over by a few hundred dipshits on the radio year after year but they pulled off the biggest fascist victory ever!

kavenaugh was a good eg - letting limbaugh call blasey ford a liar and dem operative for weeks with no response got it done, just like anita hill

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
35. My anecdotal experience has been that most Liberals
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 02:57 PM
Sep 2019

don't listen to AM radio or watch UHF television. There are many opportunities
for liberal ownership and programming of these stations if some Liberals will put
up the money And more Liberals will listen and watch. Also, most Liberals seem
to be more into Living than just listening and watching.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
36. a lot of liberals have fallen for the rw talking points that 1500 radio stations all repeating the
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 03:24 PM
Sep 2019

same lies over and over, coordinated by rw think tanks and now the kremlin, using a protected monopoly on public airwaves on stations licensed to operate in the public interest and nationally and locally coordinated, are somehow a representation of free speech and market demand for hate and lies.

there is no national discussion that they can't distort or derail and it makes democracy impossible. ignoring it and waiting for rich liberals to buy stations is not an option for a democracy.

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
38. Nobody convinced anybody not to listen--and even
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:42 PM
Sep 2019

if they did actively listen — I did until I could no longer stand it — what recourse was there?

The problem is bigger than — and lies beyond the responsibility of—the audience.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
39. artificial intelligence makes it easy, cheap to digitize talk radio - ad industry will do the work
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:59 PM
Sep 2019

work once they become aware of how easy it is for activists to record, transcribe, and list advertisers without hardly any listening required.

30 or so years ago after reagan killed the fairness doctrine they put carnival barkers on every corner and stump in the country, yelling about democrats and liberals the equivalent of "your sister's a whore, your brother's a thief, and yopur ideas are treasonous" and liberals just walked by with their fingers in their ears. while it's not up to any individual to do anything about it it's been the biggest political mistake in history for the progressive orgs and the dem party they'd like to push left to ignore it. they've wasted many millions of donated time and money ignoring the simple math - at $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 5dys/wk that's been worth $5BIL/yr basically free for the cons.

all they need is a few hundred trained liars to win or get close on any major issue, locally or nationally

it wouldn't take much activism for the ad industry to get the message it has to start asking radio ad clients if they REALLY want to support the global warming denial, racism, hate, and ignorance

RW has perpetuated the myth that the monopoly is a reflection of the market demand for hate and lies ---advertisers will head for the hills and many stations will have to change programming to stay alive

and it wouldn't hurt for students and communities to start protesting anything trump at the 88+ universities that broadcast sports on 260 limbaugh stations

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
14. Could this result in lawyers demanding a different judge for cases they're defending...
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:18 PM
Aug 2019

if it was believed a judge's known political leanings could bias their case?.......

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
19. Or what if a ...
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 11:44 PM
Aug 2019

Supreme Court judge attended a Federalist Society Seminar while they were judges at the lower level?

It’s says that “The Code is not binding on the Supreme Court, ...” but, again, what if a Supreme Court justice violated the code prior to becoming a SCJ?

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
24. Raygun, Bork and Scalia
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:36 AM
Sep 2019
http://taggedwiki.zubiaga.org/new_content/4a66e923f56b505d450632449734c68a

Under FCC Chairman Mark S. Fowler, a communications attorney who had served on Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign staff in 1976 and 1980, the commission began to repeal parts of the Fairness Doctrine, announcing in 1985 that the doctrine hurt the public interest and violated free speech rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.

On February 16, 2009, Fowler told conservative radio talk-show host Mark Levin that his work toward revoking the Fairness Doctrine under the Reagan Administration had been a matter of principle (his belief that the Doctrine impinged upon the First Amendment), not partisanship. Fowler described the White House staff raising concerns, at a time before the prominence of conservative talk radio and during the preeminence of the Big Three television networks and PBS in political discourse, that repealing the policy would be politically unwise. He described the staff's position as saying to Reagan, "the only thing that really protects you from the savageness of the three networks—every day they would savage Ronald Reagan—is the Fairness Doctrine, and Fowler is proposing to repeal it!" [9] Instead, Reagan supported the effort and later vetoed the Democratic-controlled Congress's effort to make the doctrine law.

In one landmark case, the FCC argued that teletext was a new technology that created soaring demand for a limited resource, and thus could be exempt from the Fairness Doctrine. The Telecommunications Research and Action Center (TRAC) and Media Access Project (MAP) argued that teletext transmissions should be regulated like any other airwave technology, hence the Fairness Doctrine was applicable (and must be enforced by the FCC).

In 1986, Judges Robert Bork and Antonin Scalia of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit concluded that the Fairness Doctrine did apply to teletext but that the FCC was not required to apply it.[10] In a 1987 case, Meredith Corp. v. FCC, two other judges on the same court declared that Congress did not mandate the doctrine and the FCC did not have to continue to enforce it.[11]

In August 1987, the FCC abolished the doctrine by a 4-0 vote, in the Syracuse Peace Council decision, which was upheld by a different panel of the Appeals Court for the D.C. Circuit in February 1989.[12] The FCC stated, "the intrusion by government into the content of programming occasioned by the enforcement of [the Fairness Doctrine] restricts the journalistic freedom of broadcasters ... [and] actually inhibits the presentation of controversial issues of public importance to the detriment of the public and the degradation of the editorial prerogative of broadcast journalists," and suggested that, because of the many media voices in the marketplace, the doctrine be deemed unconstitutional.


These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
26. This!!!
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:19 AM
Sep 2019

Being absorbed in a "propaganda machine" like that is an issue when it is so prevalent and persistent.

Can the David of important facts, issues and truth even get an interview with the Goliath of the manufacturing of consent?

Kid Berwyn

(14,803 posts)
28. TUC Radio
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:32 AM
Sep 2019

Time of Useful Consciousness...

Alex Carey said that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. Carey’s unique view of US history goes back to World War I and ends with the Reagan era.

https://tucradio.org/podcasts/newest-podcasts/alex-carey-corporations-and-propaganda-part-one-of-two/

And Part the 2nd:

https://tucradio.org/podcasts/newest-podcasts/alex-carey-corporations-and-propaganda-part-two-of-two/

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
33. I feel that there has been a general wave of amnesia
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 12:23 PM
Sep 2019

In America

No one remembers life before the microwave....

😔

Kid Berwyn

(14,803 posts)
34. By the upturned nostrils of Betsy DeVos, ignorance is strength.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 12:35 PM
Sep 2019

Otherwise, the nation would invest in public education; support diverse news media; and encourage citizen awareness of the issues of the day.

The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer for a reason. No sense in upsetting the apple cart with knowledge. Enlightened slaves often revolt.

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
30. Except now that they are in charge of everything they can
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:44 AM
Sep 2019

easily change that one little rule. I mean who’ll notice? Or care?

Personally I believe it is EXTREMELY important I just don’t see it as a deterrent.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
41. The Code is not binding ...
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:15 PM
Sep 2019

For the last 3+ years no code of honorable conduct has been held as binding to anyone in D.C. politics. Not the Republicans screwing it up nor the Democrats dithering instead of impeaching. Kabuki theater all.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
43. Didn't Jane Mayer discuss the Federalist Society in her book "Dark Money"?
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 08:31 PM
Sep 2019

I'm pretty sure she did, but she may not have had access to Robert Bork's private papers. "Dark Money" is awesome by the way, it's a virtual Who's Who (and what they did) of the nasty ultra-wealthy rightwingers.

applegrove

(118,499 posts)
44. If you read the economists they have stories of ceos realizing they can't just
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 09:05 PM
Sep 2019

listen to stockholders anymore but must listen to stakeholders like suppliers, customers, etc. No mention of unions at the table. No mention of a seat at the table for anyone. They do that in Germany where all sorts of stakeholders sit at the table. And the stockholder thing is bogus. People buy stocks that are growing. Blaming them for predatory practices across the business world is keeping responsibility away from ceos and movement conservative think tanks and the way they changed business school. The stockholders are not that powerful.Turning corporations into sociopaths was not what a majority of stockholders cried out for. That was a movement conservatism, dark money ceo thing. A small minority of the country did that.

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