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IndyOp

(15,512 posts)
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:04 AM Sep 2019

Perhaps we should all request training at work to stanch a sucking wound...

It seems like K-12 teachers are getting this training. I work at a university - I wonder whether millions of us at work - schools, banks, retail stores, grocery stores restaurants - getting such training could help break through the delusion that it will never happen in our daily lives.

My mom has been a teacher for 30 years... learning to staunch sucking wounds
https://mobile.twitter.com/tonydokoupil/status/1167088120493481984

I am going to do some detective work to figure out how to get my request for training all faculty and staff heard across campus.

Emergency responders had an all-day shooter drill on campus this past week. I’ll be surprised if the university is currently considering training for all staff and faculty.

We do a lot of online training modules though - have everyone watch videos with graphic sucking wounds and put wound-stanching kits in every classroom and next to every AED on campus just might get people to wake the fuck up and start PUSHING to end this horror.

I have concerns that it may make some people overly confident they can “handle” whatever happens, but I hope that the effect for most people will be sobering and increase the likelihood they will take action.

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Perhaps we should all request training at work to stanch a sucking wound... (Original Post) IndyOp Sep 2019 OP
They had voluntary shooter training available to all staff at the university where I work htuttle Sep 2019 #1
Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? 'A Ghastly Thing to See' dalton99a Sep 2019 #2
I honestly don't know if this would be of much help. smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author StTimofEdenRoc Sep 2019 #4

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
1. They had voluntary shooter training available to all staff at the university where I work
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:42 AM
Sep 2019

I didn't go, but apparently it covered things like how to secure a door shut with a belt, when to shelter in place vs run for it vs fight back, etc. They haven't added emergency medical trauma training to the 'how to use an AED' classes yet, but I won't be too surprised if they do.

This is with a world-class hospital and a moderately competent and armed University Police force right on campus. The University Student Health department hasn't added a trauma ward to their clinic yet, though...

dalton99a

(81,426 posts)
2. Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? 'A Ghastly Thing to See'
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 10:51 AM
Sep 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html

Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? ‘A Ghastly Thing to See’
Trauma surgeons tell what it is really like to try to repair such devastating injuries. “Bones are exploded, soft tissue is absolutely destroyed,” one said.
By Gina Kolata and C. J. Chivers
March 4, 2018


Left, an X-ray of a leg showing a bullet wound delivered by an assault rifle used in combat. Right, an X-ray of a leg that sustained a bullet wound from a low-energy bullet, inflicted by a weapon like a handgun in Philadelphia. (Dr. Jeremy W. Cannon)

Perhaps no one knows the devastating wounds inflicted by assault-style rifles better than the trauma surgeons who struggle to repair them. The doctors say they are haunted by their experiences confronting injuries so dire they struggle to find words to describe them.

At a high school in Parkland, Fla., 17 people were recently killed with just such a weapon — a semiautomatic AR-15. It was legal there for Nikolas Cruz, 19, the suspect in the shooting, to buy a civilian version of the military’s standard rifle, while he would have had to be 21 to buy a less powerful and accurate handgun.

Many factors determine the severity of a wound, including a bullet’s mass, velocity and composition, and where it strikes. The AR-15, like the M4 and M16 rifles issued to American soldiers, shoots lightweight, high-speed bullets that can cause grievous bone and soft tissue wounds, in part by turning sideways, or “yawing,” when they hit a person. Surgeons say the weapons produce the same sort of horrific injuries seen on battlefields.

Civilian owners of military-style weapons can also buy soft-nosed or hollow-point ammunition, often used for hunting, that lacks a full metal jacket and can expand and fragment on impact. Such bullets, which can cause wider wound channels, are proscribed in most military use.

A radiologist at the hospital that treated victims of the Parkland attack wrote in The Atlantic about a surgeon there who “opened a young victim in the operating room and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit.”

What follows are the recollections of five trauma surgeons. Three of them served in the military, and they emphasized that their opinions are their own and do not represent those of the armed forces. One has treated civilian victims of such weapons in American cities. And a pediatric surgeon treated victims of a Texas church shooting last year.


An X-ray of a rifle bullet wound to an arm. (Dr. Jeremy W. Cannon)
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. I honestly don't know if this would be of much help.
Sun Sep 1, 2019, 11:00 AM
Sep 2019

In the event of a mass shooting, most people on the site are either running for their lives or in hiding until the shooter is either taken down or apprehended and by that time, medical personnel is usually on the site.

They most likely would not want interference from an amateur who could do more harm than good in a situation like that. Also, what are the chances that anyone traumatized from just having been in a mass shooting would have the presence of mind to handle such a task within the short time needed to make a difference?

It's just another diversion from the real problem. The easy availability of guns in this country and too few regulations.

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