Any biblical scholars?

[SHRED]

Jeff needs some help.

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1. K&R...

[Coventina]

2. Not a scholar, but reasonably familiar. And, no, there is no right to an AR-15

Also, there was no right to get your father drunk and sleep with him, either.
There's plenty to criticize about the Bible, but that episode was not recounted as an example of good behavior.
We don't have to resort to distorting things to make a point.

[Crash2Parties]

16. Nor was it recounted as bad behavior, either.

Coventina, are you really sure you want to go down this road?

There are plenty of other examples of questionable values pushed as god's will.

"If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother." - Mark 12:19

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." - Leviticus 20

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." - Mark 9:43

"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." - Timothy 2:11

"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10:35-27

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Psalm 137

And to finish off the list, the favorite verse of trump, epstein, roy moore and so many others in their party:

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17-18

[Coventina]

21. I am the LAST person to defend the Bible. But, we also don't have to misrepresent

the incident of Lot and his daughters as a "right" to engage in that behavior.

As you point out, there is plenty to criticize without bringing that in as an example.

[Crash2Parties]

23. But that's the point - the text doesn't say that what the daughters did was wrong.

Nor does it criticize or put a negative spin on how Lot treated them prior to that, back in town, when he offered them up to the townfolk
to be gang raped instead of the two handsome young strangers who visited him.

But here's the really interesting part. Both of Lot's daughters had sons as a result of raping their father & those sons went on to create the people known as the Ammonites and Moabites. Of those peoples, the women can convert & marry Jews, but not the men. They were punished not for the actions of Lot's daughters but because they didn't greet the Israelites with food and water when they came from the desert (a pretty grievous act in the desert).

[gibraltar72]

3. Recovering Evangelical here.

None of that gunny stuff sounds familiar.

[underpants]

4. God bless you

[dhol82]

5. As someone pointed out in that thread

It comes from the Book of Adderal.

[underpants]

6. Wow. That's a Lot.

Lot and His Daughters
30 Now Lot went up out of Zoar and mlived in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to live in Zoar. So he lived in a cave with his two daughters. 31 And the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth. 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.” 33 So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father. He did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
34 The next day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father. Let us make him drink wine tonight also. Then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.” 35 So they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. 36 Thus both the daughters of Lot became pregnant by their father. 37 The firstborn bore a son and called his name Moab.2 nHe is the father of the Moabites to this day. 38 The younger also bore a son and called his name Ben-ammi.3 oHe is the father of the Ammonites to this day.

https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Gen%2019

[Ligyron]

13. You could never get me drunk enough.

Lots of sick, twisted behaviors documented in that book. Wonder who wrote it?

[paleotn]

17. Originally, some Iron Age guy scholars refer to as Yahwist

who apparently had way too much time on his hands. Not to be outdone, Elohist, Deuteronomist and Priestly Source added additional craziness.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

7. Every Man Woman and Child were killed in Jericho...

... maybe not AR-15 worthy....

but still perhaps a note worthy of grace.

[spike jones]

8. The Bible is a lie. n/t

[Initech]

9. I know what thou art thinking, dost thou prayeth six times or only 5?

That I believe was from the Book Of Harry.

[Shaddox]

10. Oh, FFS! So, I got my dad drunk and slept with him and it was sort of "meh". Well, to be honest

I roofied him so he was pretty lifeless. So I can't blame him. And now I find out that this might not have been Religiously condoned? Thanks, God. Now I can barely get hard at the memory (does a "semi" count?). This is why organized religion sucks.

[A HERETIC I AM]

11. Armaments Chapter 4, verses 16 to 20

Oh....sorry...

That’s hand grenades.

[calimary]

12. Life-long and very fallible Catholic here.

Spent more time studying the first five books of the Old Testament and then the New Testament. I never found an admonishment, parable, or single word of endorsement of any such mass-murder weapon.

I have found lots of material that teaches about the worship of God versus the worship of money. Lots of "do unto others" and "the least of these" and "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" stuff. Tons of that stuff.

[Bob Loblaw]

14. I can't remember what book it's in

but I seem to remember God being displeased with someone who smote his own ass with a rod. It's why I have no tolerance for ammosexuals.

[Video Drone]

15. Maher, 2011

[Mersky]

18. I'd like that on a t-shirt. Would have some interesting conversations. eom

[KentuckyWoman]

19. Ya well

If Joshua had a high capacity something and some nukes he wouldn't have had to blow that stupid horn.

[lastlib]

20. Geez, can't you folks READ?? Right there in the Gospel According to LaPierre......

Chapter 1, verse 6: "Let no man deprive thee of thy AR-15, For as it is yours, it is mine. Thy AR-15 and thy high-capacity magazine, they shall comfort thee. And thou shalt not be kept by man from fellating same at night."

Or something like that...................

[former9thward]

22. I doubt Jeff is seriously looking.

But if he was he would have found Luke 22:36. Jesus tells His disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that there would be a time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense.

Maybe this question should be asked by people who are not atheists+ and don't believe a single word of the Bible anyway...