I just find it stunning

[SHRED]

That the majority in this country do not favor impeachment.

Majority of Americans don't want Trump to be impeached, new poll finds

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/majority-of-americans-dont-want-trump-to-be-impeached-new-poll-finds/

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. We missed our chance... had the momentum to impeach the SOB & lost it!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!
Welcome to the revolution!!

[dalton99a]

2. In all likelihood, Trump will finish his term(s) without a demerit on his record.

[kentuck]

3. I recall a poll that was taken before Nixon resigned, that was only 19% favored impeachment?

How much stock should we put in these polls? How much stock should be put in voters transient opinions?

[uponit7771]

8. +1, Its close to Nixon's post Saturday Night Massacre so it's pretty high. The article doesn't ...

... relate those numbers to Nixon's because they want to make a dubious point about impeachment.

[spanone]

4. A majority of Americans need to be educated as to the damage this asshole has done.

A majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives support opening an impeachment inquiry against Mr. Trump, and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler told CNN earlier this month that his committee had started "formal impeachment proceedings." He also said that the committee would decide whether to bring articles of impeachment to the House floor before the end of the year.

[StarfishSaver]

12. I don't understand why people keep ignoring this fact

It's almost as if some people are purposely ignoring it so that they can continue to attack Pelosi and the House Democrats. But why would any Democrat want to do that?

[Kitchari]

5. They reach a skewed demographic

Stay-at-home older folks with landlines, probably watching Fox "news"

[SHRED]

6. Tell Nancy that

Pelosi says public doesn’t support impeachment

https://www.apnews.com/347a9835cb994b16915df056f39ab4d7

[pintobean]

13. methodology

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from August 16 to 20, 2019 with a national random sample of 800 adults age 18 and older, in English. This includes 314 contacted by a live interviewer on a landline telephone and 486 contacted by a live interviewer on a cell phone. Telephone numbers were selected through random digit dialing and landline respondents were selected with a modified Troldahl-Carter youngest adult household screen. Monmouth is responsible for all aspects of the survey design, data weighting and analysis. Final sample is weighted for region, age, education, gender and race based on US Census information. Data collection support provided by Braun Research (field) and Dynata (RDD sample). For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributable to sampling has a maximum margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points (unadjusted for sample design). Sampling error can be larger for sub-groups (see table below). In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.

DEMOGRAPHICS (weighted)
Self-Reported
25% Republican
45% Independent
30% Democrat

48% Male
52% Female

30% 18-34
33% 35-54
36% 55+

64% White
12% Black
16% Hispanic
9% Asian/Other

68% No degree
32% 4 year degree

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_082219/

[Kitchari]

38. Thanks for clarifying

--my assumption was incorrect

[uponit7771]

7. That's a pretty high number for impeachment relative to Nixon numbers (38) after Saturday Night ...

... Massacre.

It's a bullshit headline from the article, impeachment starts with showing the crimes or why he should be impeached but relatively speaking that's a high number

[SHRED]

9. What is your opinion

Of why Speaker Pelosi is repeating that headline then?

What am I missing?

[uponit7771]

10. Timing, ....Pelosi wants to start the fireworks of impeachment hearings during the election ...

.... to take away any and all narratives from Red Don.

Red Don has a good day is always smashed by breaking news on revelations of him committing crimes.

One of the ways a candidate is taken down in the polls is scandals during an election year even if they're made up like Clinton's emails which PALE in comparison to Trumps welcoming Russian help and is OOJ.

To start impeachment hearings and further the process now would be politically silly not because the people wouldn't be behind it, the polling numbers relative to Nixon shows they would, but it wouldn't have the impact that it should of exposing Red Don and the Kremlin KKKlan.

That's my prayer, I would be livid if we get to next year and the "too late" excuses start up.

[StarfishSaver]

14. It would also take impeachment "off the table" in 2020

If they rushed an impeachment vote now, it will fail and that would be the end of it. The House wouldn't get a second bite at the apple, so not only would Trump be able to say he was exonerated, he'd get to crow that he was exonerated by a Democratic House. And that would be the end of that.

Fortunately, Pelosi understands this better than many of the more impatient among our left flank and isn't going to let them push her into a trap. She's playing this right, gradually building public support while her committees gather evidence (and contrary to what some seem to believe, hearings aren't the only way to gather evidence), and when the time is right, she'll go for it. She knows what she's doing.

[uponit7771]

17. +1, I like the trickle of impeachment support coming from the house. They're being deliberate about

... their decision to impeach and make sure Red Don's election year has all the scandal involved possible.

[GeorgeGist]

40. And if she doesn't...

History will judge her accordingly.

[SHRED]

15. Let's hope you are correct

[SHRED]

19. A bit off topic but...

...the public perception (whether real or imagined) is that our party leadership is remaining quiet as tRump inflicts his cruelty.

How in the heck do we counter that?

[elocs]

22. Is that the "public" perception or is it your perception. Don't confuse the two.

Because DU is pretty much the only place I read where people are regularly upset with Democrats for not pursuing impeachment. I'm sure if a Democrat is elected next year that we will still be hearing about how Trump should have been impeached.

[SHRED]

25. I see the frustration a lot

Not just here.

[elocs]

31. But you're not seeing the frustration in the general public

or even in your average Democrat who votes for Democratic candidates but who is not involved in getting wound up about things on message boards and is not like a Liberal Democrat.

Anecdotally, I can say that I have not personally met anyone who is all pissed off that Trump has not been impeached.

[uponit7771]

24. That they started impeachment process before they left on vacation, that speaks louder than words

[SHRED]

27. I could be wrong but

My understanding is Nadler hinted at it but Pelosi didn't.

I stand corrected if I am off here.

[uponit7771]

32. Nadler started proceedings before they left (link)

Nadler Makes It Clear House Is Already in ‘Impeachment Proceedings’

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/nadler-house-already-in-impeachment-proceedings.html

[StarfishSaver]

37. Nadler didn't "hint" at it - he came right out and said it, and so did the committee

There's a reason that Pelosi isn't saying it. But I'm sure that even if she did, some people would just ignore what she said and still keep claiming that the Judiciary Committee hasn't started an impeachment inquiry, just like they're doing now as they pretend the committee hasn't said, in no uncertain terms, that it has.

Nadler Says It Out Loud: ‘This Is Formal Impeachment Proceedings’

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) admitted in public Thursday evening that his panel is conducting “formal impeachment proceedings” against President Trump.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nadler-formal-impeachment-proceedings

Link to tweet

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[sharedvalues]

11. They don't know the truth. Media failure.

- 1/3 of the country is us: paying attention to the legitimate news. Worried about the country.
- 1/3 of the country is brainwashed by Fox and Limbaugh: suckered by the Republican billionaires that run the rightwing media, falsely hating immigrants and minorities while the billionaires rob them blind.
- 1/3 of the country is disengaged from news and politics: paying little attention.

The only things that break through to the last third are huge events where the media speaks as one. Pearl Harbor. 9/11. Maybe My Lai. Since the GOP privatized pensions into 401k’s, stock market events can also break through.

What happened in the Watergate Hearings is that last third was reached by the hearings and news coverage. That’s why Nixon’s approval went from around 40% to around 20%.

Democrats in 2019 have failed to achieve that kind of news coverage. Fox is a huge obstacle, but they also have failed to speak in a single voice with a single message. And bothsidesism in our legitimate media has also prevented them from spreading the truth.

[mnhtnbb]

16. The majority of Americans have no clue

that Trump is a traitorous, lying, incompetent, white supremacist, narcissist out to line his own pockets, those of his family, and the ultra rich Republicans who give not one fu*k about his character.

This morning the woman who staffs the concierge desk in my apartment building did not know what I was talking about when I mentioned Dorian. Had no clue that this was a record setting hurricane hovering off the coast of Florida, destroying the Bahamas. She told me she doesn't watch the news. She is not alone.

[uponit7771]

18. THIS !!!! There are some who could care less about any news and don't watch at all.

[elocs]

20. Which is why Pelosi is smart enough not to let the House go down the impeachment path.

It's an exercise in futility since the point of impeachment is to remove the president from office and that will never happen.

Besides, in just over a year we have an election that is a sure way to remove Trump from office.
That is if everybody on the Left who normally votes shows up and casts their ballots for the candidate of the Democratic Party--no excuses, no pouting, no purity tests--just do it.

I find it stunning why everybody does not agree with me and what I believe, but then, that's life.

[SHRED]

23. The reason I said "stunning"

Was not because people don't agree with me.

I find it stunning because of his obvious destructive and cruel behavior that doesn't incite contempt in the vast majority. It's not like he's hiding it.

[uponit7771]

26. The point of impeachment is not always to remove and Trump and there's no 2020 election. Trump

... called that off by saying he's going to cheat and there's nothing stopping him from doing just that.

We can go through impeachment proceedings and not forward for removal for the sake of getting Red Don's approval numbers in the 20s and if he steals the election after that congress doesn't have to certify it.

bout what we have left

[elocs]

35. I'm sure if there is no 2020 election, you will be right back here to give us a "neener-neener",

"I told you so".

But I'm pretty sure that won't be happening.
There are however lots of other conspiracy theories to choose from, but get over impeachment and work to get a Democrat elected because impeachment is not going to happen.

[uponit7771]

36. There's no "if" Trump already said he's going to cheat. What about that do people not understand !?

... He was on camera with George S when he said he was going to cheat and Moscow Mitch is leaving us electoral systems wide upon.

We have the ability to slow crawl impeachment proceedings for the sake of getting Red Don's approval numbers in the Nixon area and if he steals the election closely or not then congress doesn't have to certify the election.

bout all we have left

[panader0]

21. So what if impeachment doesn't pass the Senate.

Every Senator will be on record as a Trumper or not. I don't think it will
matter in the general election and mat help quite a bit.

[uponit7771]

28. Impeachment doesn't even have to go to the senate, use impeachment to expose Red Dons crimes ...

... during the election year to get Red Don's approval numbers in the 20s and not certify his election if he steals it again.

Bout what we have left seeing he said he was going to cheat and Moscow Mitch is making sure it happens

[elocs]

29. You mean like it helped the Republicans when they impeached Clinton? n/t

[SHRED]

30. I think that's an apples and oranges comparison

People were disgusted at going after Clinton's sexcapades whereas tRump is a real criminal.

[uponit7771]

34. Impeachment has never been a positive of the impeached for the control of government ***NEVER***

So yes, it did help republicans in that they kept control of the government even the presidency in 2000 one of the factors was Gore ran away from Clinton because of his polling numbers

[treestar]

33. Maybe just figuring the election is close enough

and they don't want Pence even more?

[onecaliberal]

39. Remember the woman in the Amash town hall? People have no clue what that orange garbage has done.