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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,710 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 02:35 PM Sep 2019

Why college became so expensive

by Joe Pinsker

The story of the rising cost of college in America is often told through numbers, with references to runaway tuition prices and the ever-growing pile of outstanding student debt.

The personal toll these trends have taken is hard to convey, but the anthropologist Caitlin Zaloom does so in her new book, Indebted: How Families Make College Work at Any Cost, which documents how the price of a college education has forced many middle-class families to rearrange their priorities, finances, and lives.

In Indebted, Zaloom, a professor at New York University, draws on some 160 interviews she did with families who are taking on debt to pay for college, mixing in history of education policy and analysis of the financial morass students and their loved ones must navigate—including a close reading of the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, or FAFSA, form and the concept of family it promotes.

I recently spoke with Zaloom about what this system of paying for college is doing to families—as well as what might make higher education less financially fraught. The conversation that follows has been edited and condensed.

Joe Pinsker: In the past few decades, what’s changed in how families pay for college?

Caitlin Zaloom: College used to be a lot cheaper for families, because there was more funding from the government. If you think about the biggest educational systems, like the University of California system or the City University of New York system, these universities were free or practically free for decades. That was in part because of a belief that higher education was essential for the national project of upward mobility, and for having an educated citizenry.

So middle-class families didn’t always have to pay for college with debt. The shift began in the 1980s, in terms of a changing political philosophy. President Ronald Reagan’s budget director, David Stockman, said in 1981, “If people want to go to college bad enough, then there is opportunity and responsibility on their part to finance their way through the best way they can.” When those who argued that college is a private benefit framed it like that, it became logical to say that education should be paid for by the people that it benefits. And so in the 1990s, the vast expansion of loans for higher education began.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/why-college-became-so-expensive/ar-AAGKjy9?li=BBnbfcN

I attended night classes back in the 80's at my local community college. In 1981 the Republicans controlled both branches of the legislature and the governor's office. That year they doubled the cost of tuition at all public colleges and universities in Washington State.

My state has not elected a Republican governor since then.

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Why college became so expensive (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2019 OP
I remember that I was just finishing up at WSU gopiscrap Sep 2019 #1
My wife got kicked out of college because of Reagan. iscooterliberally Sep 2019 #2
That happened to my room mate exboyfil Sep 2019 #6
I wonder what our standard of living would be today if Reagan had just stuck to movies? iscooterliberally Sep 2019 #8
my austistic brother was in a work program Skittles Sep 2019 #20
And adopting the corporate model moondust Sep 2019 #3
+1000 llmart Sep 2019 #7
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Sep 2019 #16
Bingo! FakeNoose Sep 2019 #23
Yes x 1000000000000. Admin greed. Admin take over. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #43
Huge problem is employers Freddie Sep 2019 #4
That is another (overlooked) aspect, I agree. LisaM Sep 2019 #5
The UC system was inexpensive in the 60's and then Reagan messed cutting state funding and kimbutgar Sep 2019 #9
States have cut way back on funding Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #10
I worked at a state community college, similar story. State funding went WAYYY down. nt raccoon Sep 2019 #22
My father was a 100% disabled vet from WWII elocs Sep 2019 #11
For in-state students, most state colleges are still a pretty good deal NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #12
I went to UCLA from 1969-75 (BS and MPH) and remember paying $99 in tuition mnhtnbb Sep 2019 #18
I went to high school in the Northeast NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #19
My parents gleefully voted for both RayGun and Prop 13 ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #21
My parents adored Ronnie. mnhtnbb Sep 2019 #25
Mine died in 1995 and 2009 ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #26
Your posts say a lot more about you than them... former9thward Sep 2019 #29
Seriously who the fuck are you? ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #30
No, I won't get lost. former9thward Sep 2019 #33
Sorry you aren't worth trying for ChubbyStar Sep 2019 #35
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #36
0% refinancing of all loans Johnny2X2X Sep 2019 #13
typical republican short sightedness treestar Sep 2019 #14
billionaire and multi-millionaire owners of the Russiapublicans Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #15
Go to a two year are first then to a four year school. Get as many games as possible uponit7771 Sep 2019 #17
The trouble started when we started running colleges and universities like corporations. hunter Sep 2019 #24
"universities that are managed like Disneyland" former9thward Sep 2019 #31
As long as people keep borrrowing more and more, what incentive do they have to control costs ? MichMan Sep 2019 #40
It doesn't help that they dump vast amounts of money into sports programs The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #27
Most major sports programs make money for the colleges. former9thward Sep 2019 #32
There's something wrong when the head football coach makes $3,550,000 The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #42
kick Dawson Leery Sep 2019 #28
I understand why red states did not support colleges, but why not blue states? MichMan Sep 2019 #34
St. Raygun kwolf68 Sep 2019 #37
He's been out of office for over 30 years. Plenty of time to fix it. MichMan Sep 2019 #39
Reagan did it I think. Joe941 Sep 2019 #38
My last stint in a higher education school's (which will go un-named) administrative position not_the_one Sep 2019 #41
It all started in 1976. Bantamfancier Sep 2019 #44
Time for another repost of the Powell Memo ... covers most of the issues raised above eppur_se_muova Sep 2019 #45
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #46
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gopiscrap

(23,725 posts)
1. I remember that I was just finishing up at WSU
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 02:39 PM
Sep 2019

and my last year tuition for those days prices became outrageous. I was lucky enough to only have 3 classes left to complete.

iscooterliberally

(2,859 posts)
2. My wife got kicked out of college because of Reagan.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 02:39 PM
Sep 2019

Her father died as a direct result of the Vietnam war when she was still a child. She started out on a government aid program. I don't know what it was called, but they cut her off and she could not afford to continue. This would have been right in the middle of the Reagan administration. What a bunch of bastards they were.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
6. That happened to my room mate
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:00 PM
Sep 2019

His father had passed away and he was on Social Security. They changed the rules. Fortunately he was far enough along to finish.

iscooterliberally

(2,859 posts)
8. I wonder what our standard of living would be today if Reagan had just stuck to movies?
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:14 PM
Sep 2019

My wife was only in her first year. She wanted to be an architect so she got cut off and could not recover from that. When I say 'our standard of living', I don't just mean she and I, but every American citizen in general. Reagan was the beginning of the end, and I don't understand why so many people can't see that.

Skittles

(153,104 posts)
20. my austistic brother was in a work program
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:06 PM
Sep 2019

that ended because of Reagan

I detested Reagan, and it sickened me how many people fell for his act - he made greed and ignorance fashionable

FakeNoose

(32,555 posts)
23. Bingo!
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:37 PM
Sep 2019

The title of this OP article should be "HOW college became so expensive" because she's not even discussing the WHY of it. Why are colleges so expensive? Bloated administrative costs are out of control, while salaries for the teaching professionals have been squeezed down to the nubbies. Adjunct professors can't even live on the tiny salaries being paid (no benefits of course), and full tenure isn't even possible on most campuses these days.

Meanwhile parents and families can barely afford to educate their kids, or they have to choose which lucky kid gets college while the others stay home. Education is out of reach for way too many families now.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
43. Yes x 1000000000000. Admin greed. Admin take over.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:05 AM
Sep 2019

Professors and deans once ran the colleges. That's when it was a noble, almost spiritual profession. Now it's a McEducation. Hollow promises, starving professors, broken families of adjuncts. Administrators with MBA's, not Phds., running the asylum.

I hope Warren has a plan for this too!

LisaM

(27,792 posts)
5. That is another (overlooked) aspect, I agree.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 02:53 PM
Sep 2019

Companies do not want to expend resources on training new workers, big part of the problem.

kimbutgar

(21,040 posts)
9. The UC system was inexpensive in the 60's and then Reagan messed cutting state funding and
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:17 PM
Sep 2019

Charging students more. Reagan didn’t like those protests on on the UC campuses and zhiked the fees so you had to get loans.

I was lucky to go though the California State system paying for my tuition and books myself working part time jobs. But in the 80’s it all changed. Reagan was the worst thing that ever happened to the working class and unions.

Bradshaw3

(7,484 posts)
10. States have cut way back on funding
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:24 PM
Sep 2019

I worked at a large state university for many years. The state funding level went from more than 50 percent of the university budget in the 1980s to less than 20 percent in 20 years. Of course states were getting less money from the federal government and it was tax cutting time during Reagan's years and after, something the states did too. So paying for college went to mom and dad and the students and loans.

elocs

(22,540 posts)
11. My father was a 100% disabled vet from WWII
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:31 PM
Sep 2019

and he died my second month into college at the local university. Since I was the dependent of a 100% disabled vet I went to college on the GI bill and lived at home because my mother collected the SS for me. I went to school for 5 years until I graduated and had to borrow $600 my last semester.
When I was in college I considered I had won the lottery because in the 2nd draft lottery my number was in the upper 350s so I would never be drafted to go to Vietnam.
Aside from the fact that I never worked a job that required a college degree it all worked out well for me.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. For in-state students, most state colleges are still a pretty good deal
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:48 PM
Sep 2019

UC-Berkeley and UCLA are $13,900 for in state tuition for a world-class education. The problem is that room, board, books and other fees are another $25,000 or more. Many UC schools only guarantee housing for 1-2 years, though, and housing in Los Angeles and around Berkeley isn't known for being cheap, either.

There are around 280,000 students in total in the UC system, including grad & higher level students. Let's say you wipe out that $13,900 tuition - that is $3.9 billion in lost revenue right there.

For the Cal State Universities, it's $5,700 for a full-time student and almost 480,000 students. That's $2.7 billion in tuition per year.

That leaves out additional tuition for out of state and international students - UCLA is around $40,000 for out of state students, but for calculation purposes, I only used $13,900 for all students.

$6.6 billion for California. Not including community colleges and any public colleges outside of the UC and CSU systems.














mnhtnbb

(31,371 posts)
18. I went to UCLA from 1969-75 (BS and MPH) and remember paying $99 in tuition
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:48 PM
Sep 2019

for one trimester (three of them in the academic year).

Ronald Reagan's signature was on my bachelor's degree. Son of a bitch was definitely responsible for seriously fu*king up the UC system in part because he was taking revenge on students for protests during the Vietnam war.

Then in 1978 the property tax rebellion in California--Prop 13--put a lid on property taxes by rolling them back to 1976 and putting a cap on the amount they could be raised (2%) in any year also made it virtually impossible to change because of the requirement for a 2/3 majority in both legislative houses for future increases of ANY tax rates, including income taxes, also was applied to municipal governments.

Passage of the initiative (Prop 13) presaged a "taxpayer revolt" throughout the country that is sometimes thought to have contributed to the election of Ronald Reagan to the presidency during 1980.


Then began the budget cutting. When you cut budgets--and you can't turn to taxes--you have to raise revenue some other way.

Prior to Prop 13, California had a world class public education system of K-12. Afterwards, it all started downhill. No other option existed other than to raise tuition levels for the UC system. The effect has been to increase the number of out of state and international students-- thus reducing the number of spots available for instate and transfer students from community colleges-- because they pay higher tuition (almost $40,000/year for UCLA and Berkeley).

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
19. I went to high school in the Northeast
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:54 PM
Sep 2019

and graduated in the mid 1980s - I remember how the public education in California was considered the best

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
21. My parents gleefully voted for both RayGun and Prop 13
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:22 PM
Sep 2019

I never did care for them before then, but after that, I really abhorred them. They were selfish and greedy and now they are dead. Good riddance!

mnhtnbb

(31,371 posts)
25. My parents adored Ronnie.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 10:17 PM
Sep 2019

My mom had a framed photo of Reagan hanging in her kitchen for years.

Both my parents were die hard Republicans. My brother is one. I was the black sheep in the family.

My parents died in 2000 and 2002. I wonder if they would have supported Trump. My brother does.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
26. Mine died in 1995 and 2009
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 10:19 PM
Sep 2019

I'm positive they would have supported tRump. I am glad I am not dealing with their shit anymore.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
30. Seriously who the fuck are you?
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 10:59 PM
Sep 2019

They were horrible abusive parents and I am free to say anything I want to about them. You can get lost now.

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Johnny2X2X

(18,967 posts)
13. 0% refinancing of all loans
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:53 PM
Sep 2019

We aren't going to get total debt forgiveness, nor would most Americans want that. But how about the government subsidizes all loan costs and interest. You only pay back the principal. Say you borrow $25,000, you pay back every penny with no interest or fees. If you've already paid back a bunch of interest and fees that goes towards your principal.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. typical republican short sightedness
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:56 PM
Sep 2019

We all benefit from an educated population.

Who benefits from having an uneducated population?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,236 posts)
15. billionaire and multi-millionaire owners of the Russiapublicans
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:03 PM
Sep 2019

GOP takes school money to give to their campaign donors. GOP loves poorly educated voters because they are easily distracted and manipulated.

hunter

(38,301 posts)
24. The trouble started when we started running colleges and universities like corporations.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 06:16 PM
Sep 2019

Now people are borrowing money to attend colleges and universities that are managed like Disneyland.

Classrooms are cheap. Educators, from preschool to doctoral programs, tend to work cheap.

But now colleges and universities are competing for the students who have the greatest student loan potential and parents with deep pockets.

Attractive bling is expensive.

I graduated from a world class university without any debt. It wasn't because my parents had money, it wasn't because education was funded by the state. It's because education was cheap.

Really, how much does a lecture hall and an English professor cost?

My science labs cost a little more, but not much. As a lowly undergraduate I often had to fight for computer time (which was beastly expensive then, and more than I could simply buy) but that's what made me the charming and sometimes devious person I became.


former9thward

(31,925 posts)
31. "universities that are managed like Disneyland"
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:00 PM
Sep 2019

Have you been to college campuses lately? They look like Disneyland. Maybe that is why they are so expensive.

MichMan

(11,864 posts)
40. As long as people keep borrrowing more and more, what incentive do they have to control costs ?
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:26 PM
Sep 2019

When enrollment starts plummeting, that is when you will see costs of tuition etc go down.

Imagine what the costs will be if someone else besides students/parents are paying for it?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
27. It doesn't help that they dump vast amounts of money into sports programs
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 10:27 PM
Sep 2019

while refusing to pay their adjunct faculty enough to live on.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
42. There's something wrong when the head football coach makes $3,550,000
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:31 PM
Sep 2019

while the university president (Minnesota) makes $625,250 and a tenured professor makes $126,211. Adjunct faculty members can make almost $40,000 a year if they can work full-time. Why is some jock worth almost 30 times as much as a professor with a Ph.D?

MichMan

(11,864 posts)
39. He's been out of office for over 30 years. Plenty of time to fix it.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:23 PM
Sep 2019

If the reference is regarding his time as California Governor, he left that office in 1975, 44 years ago.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
41. My last stint in a higher education school's (which will go un-named) administrative position
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:29 PM
Sep 2019

ended 2 years ago, when I retired.

Every year's calculation of the total student expense budget (tuition and assorted fees, books/e-books, supplies, rent at school supplied residence halls, utilities, food, required medical insurance bought through the school, travel, etc) had an automatic increase in tuition each year of 4%. Other components did go up, but it was not in the formula each year, as was the tuition increase.

Schools use that to project their budgets. They count on it. Then they assume it. Once they assume it, they are free to spend it, so they HAVE to get it.

In the 18 years I worked there, the student yearly budget went from 25,000 to over 70,000. Budgets of students who had children which required all related expenses as budget increases, became astronomical.

Higher education is a business. Students are $$$.

Bantamfancier

(365 posts)
44. It all started in 1976.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:27 AM
Sep 2019

Before that, student loans could be discharged in bankruptcy.
The truth of the matter was college was cheap and loans were damn near impossible to get.

Then they said there were too many kids abusing the system so government loans were made exempt.

In 1984 they added private student loans to the list of loans exempt from bankruptcy.
That opened the floodgates of easy to get loans and paved the way for the wave of for profit schools to make billions.

I graduated in 1976. With no debt. Could work over the summer and make enough to pay for 3 quarters of tuition at tOSU.

Now it costs 30k for the same year.

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