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Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:36 PM Sep 2019

Main rw point: regulations kill job creation

... NO THEY DON"T! Regulations create innovations. Just ask any industry ... auto, energy ... INNOVATIONS CREATE JOBS ... jobs of the future. Cancelling regulations is just a return to past failures.

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Main rw point: regulations kill job creation (Original Post) Miigwech Sep 2019 OP
"Not nearly as bad as trade wars and tariffs do" htuttle Sep 2019 #1
Great comeback! Duppers Sep 2019 #18
For every regulation there is a valid reason that it was created. rurallib Sep 2019 #2
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2019 #3
There is (or was) a procedure in place exboyfil Sep 2019 #4
We American's expect our Government to protect us and Miigwech Sep 2019 #8
regulations ARE consumer protections scarytomcat Sep 2019 #11
A well-regulated industry will also spur investment into it ck4829 Sep 2019 #5
Deregulation kills people. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #6
Yes it does. Deregulation is only for two things Miigwech Sep 2019 #7
As others said above, regulations came about through pain and struggle.... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #10
Job creation has been mediocre under Trump NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #9
yeah, food safety regs onethatcares Sep 2019 #12
Only when talking to a Republican exboyfil Sep 2019 #14
Excellent post. yonder Sep 2019 #13
Regulations might kill some jobs genxlib Sep 2019 #15
exactly, and the minute onethatcares Sep 2019 #17
Nonsense. Then why are the most regulated nations also the most prosperous? Iterate Sep 2019 #16

rurallib

(62,372 posts)
2. For every regulation there is a valid reason that it was created.
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:47 PM
Sep 2019

Something that affected the quality or integrity of the product or service. Regulations don't just spring from thin air.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,386 posts)
3. Exactly
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:49 PM
Sep 2019

Are there one or two whom might be outdated or not useful anymore? Probably. But that's not obviously not a good reason to scrap a ton of them.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
4. There is (or was) a procedure in place
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:54 PM
Sep 2019

to review Federal regulations for costs and benefits and recommend those that could be pulled.

It is meaningless to talk about regulations in the abstract. If it bleeds it leads - the Democrats need to identify regulations that by their elimination, or failure to adopt, led to societal costs.

ck4829

(35,021 posts)
5. A well-regulated industry will also spur investment into it
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:56 PM
Sep 2019

If a company has to play by the rules, there is less of an avenue for lawsuits if something goes wrong and corruption if they have to keep their books in order.

If I was an investor, I wouldn't want to put my money on some wild west situation.

(There was a paper I read that stated exactly this, I can't find it now though)

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
7. Yes it does. Deregulation is only for two things
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:05 PM
Sep 2019

allowing polluters to pollute more and corp cheats to capitalize on maleficence.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
10. As others said above, regulations came about through pain and struggle....
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:38 PM
Sep 2019

and virtually all were put in place to stop unsafe, unhealthy or corrupt practices based on harm that was already done.

Democrats need to cram the facts on origins of regulations down Republican throats and somehow educate the public on what they are losing when regs are taken away.

KY.......

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. Job creation has been mediocre under Trump
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:19 PM
Sep 2019

compared to the last 2 1/2 years of Obama, the first 2 1/2 years under Trump have been pretty weak.

And, Trump's numbers are WAY behind Clinton, Reagan and even Carter.

onethatcares

(16,161 posts)
12. yeah, food safety regs
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:55 PM
Sep 2019

who needs em?

Think of all the healthcare insurance dollars that can be made by denying care to people sickened by tainted food.

Do i really have to use the "sarcasm" thingie?

genxlib

(5,517 posts)
15. Regulations might kill some jobs
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 06:07 PM
Sep 2019

But they create many more: inspectors, permitting agents, clerks, compliance officers, safety officers, building officials, environmental scientists, etc.

As an engineer, I spend about half my time dealing with actual technical issues and the other half dealing with compliance for various regulations for building codes, zoning, drainage districts, health departments, etc. My staffing needs go way down if regulation went away.

onethatcares

(16,161 posts)
17. exactly, and the minute
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 08:40 PM
Sep 2019

a regulation cutting libertarian has something happen to their family, home or business due to something that should have been regulated or inspected, they scream that something has to be done to protect THEM.

As a carpenter I understand completely about tech issues and compliance.

Thanks.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
16. Nonsense. Then why are the most regulated nations also the most prosperous?
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:28 PM
Sep 2019

First of all, innovation is a function of education, population density, and culture. If anything, regulation drives innovation, as you said.

Top 10 nations patents per capita:
1 South Korea 2,962
2 Japan 2,250
3 Switzerland 1,013
4 Germany 902
5 United States 856
6 Finland 665
7 Denmark 539
8 Austria 489
9 Netherlands 444
10 China 396

For the US, 18/20 of the top states for patents per capita are blue and educated above the median. I take it that means the rw pundits would favor more college, less Jesus.

What innovation can't do is magically create jobs. It takes regulated, stable markets and expertise to get the innovation distributed and that means work. Those are also that nations and states with the highest wages and lowest unemployment.

Unless...those rw'ers are only talking about extraction industries, which is what I suspect. And we know that countries with unregulated, low wage extraction industries are among the most miserable in the world. Goodie, we can all now dig coal barehanded.

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