Boris Johnson is in deep doo doo - he was humiliated.

[malaise]

The House of Commons voted 328 to 301 to approve the emergency debate motion on European Union. Johnson then fired the 21 Tories who voted with Corbyn et al.

So, in a nut shell, the Tories have lost another 21 seats!

Johnson will call for elections. Hopefully he'll be sent packing around the same time Impeachment hearings begin.

[saidsimplesimon]

1. This is good news.

I just spent a wee bit of time reading about this topic and found this helpful in understanding the mind of our former masters on Brexit. (big smile)

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/uk-parliament-takes-back-control-of-brexit-agenda-from-boris-johnson-2019-09-03?mod=mw_theo_homepage

U.K. Parliament takes back control of Brexit agenda; Boris Johnson to call general election
Published: Sept 3, 2019 5:37 p.m. ET

Vote could come Wednesday that would prevent no-deal Brexit on Oct. 31

LONDON — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson suffered a major defeat in Parliament on Tuesday night as rebellious lawmakers voted to seize control of the Brexit agenda. The prime minister immediately said he would call for a new general election.

The 328 to 301 vote cleared the way for Johnson’s opponents to introduce a bill Wednesday that would prevent Britain from leaving the European Union without a deal Oct. 31.

The cross-party rebels are determined to prevent a “no-deal” Brexit because of fears it would gravely damage the economy, and the vote came hours after Johnson suffered key defections from his party, losing a working majority in Parliament.

[malaise]

5. The UK Guardian is your best source

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news

[saidsimplesimon]

54. Yes, I agree for British news.

I was sharing the reaction of some on Wall Street. In the crazy world of Wall Street, NYT is a better source. imo

[OnDoutside]

2. There's talk that when he loses tomorrow night, he just won't take the bill to be signed by the

Queen.

[Delphinus]

22. It can't happen that quickly,

can it? I thought there had to be six weeks before the election.

[Recursion]

3. Johnson can't call for elections, though

It takes 2/3 of the Commons to agree, and Corbyn will whip against a new GE unless Johnson first delays Brexit until after that GE (nobody trusts Johnson not to just schedule an election for Nov. 1).

[Gothmog]

4. Boris Johnson is a less intelligent trump

[maxsolomon]

7. Johnson is much more intelligent than President Shitshow.

He feigns his shambolic demeanor.

He's dealing with a Parliament that isn't essentially toothless, like our House of Reps, and a Conservative Party that still has members with ethics they adhere to. They can't be ignored.

[emmaverybo]

63. Oh yes. He's quite well educated and intellectual. "He feigns his shambolic appearance." Righto!

[AZ8theist]

10. Bullshit..

There's no human ALIVE who is less intelligent than Doturd.

[Dorian Gray]

14. ahem...

Jr Doturd may be in the running.

[relayerbob]

44. Good point

[bigbrother05]

66. Erik?

[Gothmog]

15. My sister works for a UK based public company

She lives in the US but has to go to the UK several times a year. My sister is a good Democrat and she is not a fan of trump. Her company has spent a ton of money getting ready for a no-deal BREXIT due to Boris Johnson. She hates trump but she is really pissed at Boris. A no-Deal BREXIT will be a major mess for everyone

[cstanleytech]

50. How about we just call it a tie?

[John Fante]

51. Boris most likely knows how to spell "hamburger".

[usaf-vet]

79. And has heard of a CAT 5 hurricanes. But drinks tea not Covfefe.

[Polybius]

57. Not even close

He went to Oxford. He's brilliant in an evil way.

[ReformedGOPer]

62. Is that even possible?

[in2herbs]

65. I didn't think that could be possible. lol

[UniteFightBack]

6. Recommended. nt

[moondust]

8. Yo Britties!

Just cancel the first Brexit vote because it was too simplistic as a yes/no vote with no terms/conditions/options, Farage & Co. misled the public with their campaign of lies/propaganda, possible Russian interference, etc. Hold another referendum after those issues are cleared up and go from there. Problems solved.

See how easy that was?

[grantcart]

9. Tories lost only one seat, one MP crossed over to the liberals

Just because they voted against a Brexit crash with no agreement doesn't mean that they lost the seat.

[malaise]

11. He's about to expel the 21 Tories who voted against him

so when he calls the election, how does he hold those 21 seats.
It was a separate issue when he lost his majority early this afternoon when the MP crossed the floor.

[HipChick]

30. Boris stared so hard...

MP crossed sides and strolled right by him...LMAO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=GOVqOBCUjas

[malaise]

37. It was sweet

[grantcart]

47. Saw it in real time

[emmaverybo]

64. Lovely liveliness they have. NT

[grantcart]

40. Expel or not allow them to run on the Conservative Party next election?

[luvtheGWN]

69. He expelled them from the Tory caucus.

They still sit in the House of Commons and represent their constituents. They also each have a "free" vote, meaning that they vote their conscience, not their party. I think they're hearing reams of stuff from their constituents, and are paying attention.

[malaise]

70. Most excellent

[Blue_true]

21. He had promised to take party backing from anyone that voted with Corbyn.

He lost a seat earlier today as a Tory joined the Liberal Party. 21 others voted with Corbyn a few hours ago, so if Johnson does not back down, they are now Independents that can vote however they choose. He can call an election in hopes of defeating the Tories that jumped ship, but that can open those seats up to be taken by Labor or the Liberal Party, or the rebel Tories can simply join one of those parties and run against Johnson flatout.

[TubbersUK]

36. He threw out the 21 'rebels' after he lost the vote n/t

[grantcart]

45. That's funny because the BBC is reporting that He is releasing their seats from being "under the Tor

Which means that (unless it is restored) that they cannot run as a Conservative in the NEXT election.

They still have their seat and caucus with the Tories unless they physically move to Labour or the Liberals in the Parliament as one did today ( and he keeps his seat)

Do you have a different explanation that somehow entails Mps losing their seats in Parliament?

[TubbersUK]

58. He removed the Tory whip from them - they're now sitting in Parliament as INDEPENDENTS

And won't be able to stand as Tory candidates at the next election


Edit: as far as the Parliamentary arithmetic is concerned, Johnson is now considered to have a majority of (minus) -43 or so. I've seen a few mutterings re the possibility of the opposition getting together to lay claim to government, but who knows at this juncture.

[Mr.Bill]

12. I don't follow or even understand British politics, but

did the Queen give Boris enough rope to hang himself?

[LiberalFighter]

17. I would expect she has a mole in the Parliament.

[Ghost Dog]

19. The Queen is irrelevant in British politics. n/t

[Mr.Bill]

20. But I thought I read that Boris

had to get her permission to suspend Parliament.

[Blue_true]

23. It is perfunctory from what I understand.

She has to follow the wishes of the majority government. But now that Johnson is heading a minority government, I have no idea of what happens next. Maybe someone who knows British politics can lay out what can happen next in regards to what the Queen does.

[malaise]

38. She's just a ceremonial Head of State

A complete rubber stamp

[Disaffected]

42. The Queen is somewhat similar to

a Governor General (GG) in Canada (and some other parliamentary systems).

The Queen or GG must approve the dissolving of Parliament and calling of an election (as Johnson recently requested), can dissolve parliament on his/her own and, approve all legislation passed by parliament (called Royal Ascent) i.e. the Queen is the "head of state" and GGs represent the Queen in here capacity in other countries once affiliated with Great Britain.

The Queen or a GG rarely go against the wishes of the government but have the power to do so if extreme circumstances warrant.

Such a thing might be very useful in the US if the US had a parliamentary system and tRump was Prime Minister (leader of the party with a majority in the House of Commons). IIRC, in systems of government that have both a President and PM, the PM is the government leader and the President has powers similar to the Queen or a GG.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

68. Hence the logic of making a TOTAL separation between monarchy & politics. . . . nt

[Ghost Dog]

72. Agreed. nt

[HipChick]

26. Queen is nothing more than a rubber stamp...

[Mr.Bill]

29. And a professional tourist attrection. n/t

[HipChick]

32. Not much...It's actually hard to get to see her..

[Mr.Bill]

34. It's not just her.

The fact that the royal family exists and all the trappings around them bring tourism.

[malaise]

39. It's the pomp and ceremony around her that brings the tourists

Who actually owns the 'silver' - I know that's what the Con wants most

[Ghost Dog]

73. Hereditary "Celebs"

and taxpayer-subsidised members of the 0.01%.

[malaise]

77. You nailed it

That's exactly what they are and they won't give that up easily - watch the Andrew defense.

[DIVINEprividence]

13. USA and UK being led by morons

Trump and Boris are competing for biggest moron on earth. It is embarrassing

[SayItLoud]

16. NO rePUBICans would ever ..

have the intestinal fortitude to do this in America?

[Bob Loblaw]

31. Real Enough V Drone

I love me some good old Doug and the Slugs. Thanks for sharing.

[Bob Loblaw]

60. In college people came to our parties

just hear both sides of "Wrap It". What a great album. Glad to see another fan on here.

[bucolic_frolic]

24. Boris was reaching for power he didn't have

he misjudged the public, his party membership, and asserted himself. Boris alone can fix it! Pompous ass.

[malaise]

28. ALl this shit started with Reagan and Thatcher

The internet then helped the racists gather and plot

[jpak]

25. And send Nigel Fucking Farage into exile in Russia

Where he belongs

[BooScout]

48. + 1000

[applegrove]

27. I predicted the internet would weaken democracies. Happened very fast. First

with Brexit and Russian interference and then Trump.

[HipChick]

55. Internet is just a medium...

Newspapers..TV..etc...

[zentrum]

33. Rump and Bore....

...Two of a kind!

[Aussie105]

35. He made the same mistake as Trump does daily.

Thinks: I'm in a position of power now, and people will do as I want, even if I have to threaten and bully them into it. This is going to be so easy!

Ummm, No! Boris! And a double NO! for Trump.

DoBo - twins separated at birth. Want to rule the world, but the average person wouldn't buy a used car from them.

Boris is going to throw a raging sulk Donald would be proud of.

[wryter2000]

41. He can fire MPs?

What a boneheaded move

[malaise]

71. No he can't fire MPs

They are elected by constituents. The party can prevent them from running for them in a new election.

[wryter2000]

78. Thanks

He really messed up

[world wide wally]

43. Looks like Tories are far more honorable than Republicans anyway.

[malthaussen]

76. SOME Tories

21 failed to vote with the Party. 301 voted with. So the arithmetic tells a tale.

-- Mal

[GoCubsGo]

46. Geez, he's almost as dumb as Trump.

Does everything Boris touches die, too?

[grantcart]

49. Lost one seat

21 came out from under "The Whip" which means that unless restored they can't run as a Tory.

They arecstoll Tories, still have their seats and will still vote w Boris on everything but Brexit exiting strategy.

If Boris survives he would likely try to negotiate a reconciliation

Bad day for Boris. He no longer has a majority but that doesn't mean there will be an automatic "no confidence" vote.

Losing the one seat to the Liberals was very big and the video funny as he'll.

[HipChick]

53. My only regret..

Is that I wished he had done something like this, as he crossed the floor..

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[Joe941]

56. He is the tRump of Britain... a complete moron.

[greatauntoftriplets]

59. Boris the Bore, just go away.

Must have been more raucous today than usual in the Commons. Years ago, (1976, to be exact) I sat in on a session of Commons on their visitors day. They were discussing school lunches and even that was rowdy.

[brooklynite]

61. Not if Corbyn has anything to say about it...

[Ghost Dog]

74. The priority is to remove the Oct 31 deadline, the cliff-edge.

To facilitate an election before that would be dangerous, potentially allowing Johnson to Brexit with no deal first.

[bluedigger]

67. Boris' entire career has been a repudiation of humiliation.

It's what has gotten him to this point, after all. But I do think this time he may have "Peter Principled" his greatest skill.

[malthaussen]

75. Ah, the sweet smell of schadenfreude in the morning...

... so, if I understand parliamentary procedure correctly, although this is not precisely a vote of no confidence, it's the next best thing? And Brexit will, hopefully, be delayed or annulled?

-- Mal