"Should we" or "Should we not" arguments have grown tiresome.

[kentuck]

I have made my share of arguments about why I think Democrats should impeach. I have heard just as many passionate arguments against impeachment. Democrats are clearly divided on this subject.

I am not one to indulge in hero worship or the superior intellect of our leaders, in circumstances such as these. I recoil at such slavish devotion. I am more of the opinion that sooner or later a consensus will develop and the majority will follow.

Who knows if it will affect the turnout of one Party or the other? Who cares? And the beat goes on.

What is the best way to discuss this subject to get the desired result? The desired result is to get Donald Trump out of office as soon as possible because he is a threat to our country and our own way of life. We can even argue about whether he is a "threat"? Some may only consider him a "nuisance"?

I have strong thoughts about impeachment but I am trying to understand the other arguments against it. I do think it is dividing the Democratic Party and the leaders need to tread very carefully.

[bluedigger]

1. I don't see it dividing the Democratic Party in any way.

I think people just have an honest difference of opinion.

[kentuck]

2. I disagree.

[world wide wally]

3. Impeachment: use it or lose it

[uponit7771]

4. The bigger argument is when & its definitely NOT NOW!! Wait till middle of election season for final

... impeachment vote after long drawn out impeachment hearings about Red Don's crimes.

Get his numbers in the 20s and if he cheats again don't certify his election

[bdamomma]

5. I think it should go ahead

it cannot wait until the November 2020 what kind of country do you think we will be living in if nothing is being done now.

The longer this madman is stealing power and abusing it, the worst it will get for all of us. We are dealing with a madman and a complacent Congress especially Mitch McConnell.

[Hortensis]

6. There is no argument against impeachment in itself. Trump

is both unfit in every way for office and endangering our nation and the planet. Every principle and every practical issue requires removal. If and when we can.

There are huge arguments, however, against doing anything that could risk the existential 2020 election, which would include reelecting Trump and being unable to remove him any time in the next 6 years. He's a symptom, not the disease, and impeachment must be considered within the total crisis we face. Many experts believe our democracy is in grave danger and that we might not have a real democracy after 2020 if the Republicans keep power.

A failed impeachment could be disastrous. We move when we expect to win.

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory."

Sun Tzu, of course, but he would have been many thousands of years too late to be the first to express that reality. Victory, btw, was the only option for him. The concept that failure could somehow be a victory if it at least made a show of standing up for "principle" would have been completely foreign to him. He would have seen it as abandoning principle.

[kentuck]

7. Impeachment is a total failure if there is no conviction by the Senate ?

Is that your argument ?

What about voters being informed and educated, and knowing the facts and evidence, before they vote?

Is that important, also?