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Anyone here believe that Trump has kept all of his 2016 voters and added even more? (Original Post) blm Sep 2019 OP
No elleng Sep 2019 #1
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Sep 2019 #42
Nope WA-03 Democrat Sep 2019 #2
bwahahahahahaha ... fierywoman Sep 2019 #3
Not a chance. He is toast Amishman Sep 2019 #32
Fat Nixon isn't even trying to expand his base. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #4
That's what I see, too. blm Sep 2019 #5
He's not Nixon, fat or otherwise. DonaldsRump Sep 2019 #22
Actually, there are a lot of similarities. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #25
Nixon v. Trump DonaldsRump Sep 2019 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #6
I absolutely believe that GOP is counting on Russia cheating, and blm Sep 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #16
Exact same page. blm Sep 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #20
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #31
The first theft...... MyOwnPeace Sep 2019 #34
I believe the Russians or Chinese could mess with the voting machines and he will say mucifer Sep 2019 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #17
I didn't think he had a chance in 16. redstateblues Sep 2019 #8
That wasn't the point. And no one on DU is complacent about voting. blm Sep 2019 #14
nope... he is hoping that there are even more dumbfucks lapfog_1 Sep 2019 #9
Easy to explain SCantiGOP Sep 2019 #10
No - but I don't believe he had the votes in 2016 rufus dog Sep 2019 #11
No. Wouldn't matter if he did, the incredibly low turn out was key underpants Sep 2019 #12
Dems better not fall for that type of media interference again. blm Sep 2019 #18
It's all about turnout underpants Sep 2019 #29
i cant imagine it. tho i never imagined him in the first place. but farmers mopinko Sep 2019 #15
Yes and No. salin Sep 2019 #21
There will be NO complacency. No turning backs. blm Sep 2019 #28
They weren't all his. Got switched to him from HRC. triron Sep 2019 #23
I heard today that it is statistically possible for trump... albacore Sep 2019 #24
No. 2018 was when I finally started feeling optimistic. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #26
I assume it to be true sarisataka Sep 2019 #27
Absolutely, vote like we're behind by a handful of votes. blm Sep 2019 #38
No. Some of the targets of the con have come to realize it was all a reality show. Vinca Sep 2019 #30
I think it is possible that he has added to his voters but... kentuck Sep 2019 #33
I see losses of 2-5% in swing states he won. blm Sep 2019 #40
No fucking way. argyl Sep 2019 #35
No mcar Sep 2019 #36
Exactly. I'm in NC where we keep taking em to court. blm Sep 2019 #39
Yay, NC! mcar Sep 2019 #41

Amishman

(5,555 posts)
32. Not a chance. He is toast
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:50 AM
Sep 2019

Even if he did keep them all, he is still toast. We're going to set a record for total voters next year

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
4. Fat Nixon isn't even trying to expand his base.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:01 PM
Sep 2019

I think he might have deluded himself into thinking more people support him than actually do, and he keeps throwing them red meat to be sure they'll vote for him while hating on everybody else.

blm

(113,043 posts)
5. That's what I see, too.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:05 PM
Sep 2019

From the stats I’ve seen over this past year he has lost 2-5% of his 2016 voters in many states, including swing states.
I don’t see him regaining those votes with a sinking economy and general fatigue of him and his entire corrupt circle.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
22. He's not Nixon, fat or otherwise.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:34 PM
Sep 2019

Nixon f'cked up, but he was smart, he loved his country, and he was a master politician.

Regardless of the hugeness of Dear Leader, there is absolutely no comparison between Nixon and Trump, except they both are criminals.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
25. Actually, there are a lot of similarities.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:52 PM
Sep 2019

Nixon was much smarter, of course, and he knew how to behave himself in public. Privately, however, he was a hot mess in some of the same ways as Trump. For example:

Nixon was a deeply insecure man who possessed a persecution complex and this shaped his interactions with political opponents and the press. He was a fierce political fighter, believing that each of his political battles possessed the highest stakes. Branding himself as an anti-communist crusader in the 1940s and 1950s, Nixon then ran on a platform of squashing the counter-cultural elements of the 1960s and standing up for an under-represented 'silent majority'. This proved to be an effective political strategy because it painted the picture that he and his supporters were victims of the same persecution.

Nixon was obsessed with his with public appearance and his standing versus past presidents. During the televised Kennedy-Nixon debate, Nixon had been compared unfavorably to the younger, handsome Kennedy and many experts believed that this unfavorable comparison swung the election in Kennedy's favor. Nixon ordered his aides to remove pictures of older presidents from the White House and hired Roger Ailes, who would later go on to found Fox News, to craft his public image. But while Nixon attempted to present a positive, controlled image to the public, Nixon's ambition and paranoia dominated his most controversial political actions.


Did he really love his country?

Nixon achieved his ultimate political success during the 1968 Presidential Election versus the Democratic candidate, Hubert Humphrey. It was here that Nixon engaged in arguably his most controversial plot which undermined President Lyndon Johnson. His campaign adviser, Anna Chennault, established a back-channel communication with the South Vietnamese to prolong the Vietnam War until Nixon was in office. Nixon placed his own ambition ahead of the lives of American servicemen so that he could be the one to negotiate the end to the conflict.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/characteristics-of-richard-nixon.html

And:

Nixon believed himself to have many public enemies — so many, in fact, his staff maintained an “enemies list” of more than 200 perceived media adversaries and political opponents. ... Kissinger’s lighthearted cracks merely fueled Nixon’s paranoia. When Kissinger began publicly joking about Nixon, Nixon ordered that Kissinger and other administrative officials be spied upon...

Nixon also lacked self-awareness....“Nixon showed almost [no self-awareness], until the last day,” Thomas said. “He’s leaving the White House, and right before he gets on the helicopter, he says, ‘You can hate your enemies, but if you do, they win.’” That was Nixon’s first moment of self-reflection, though it came too late to positively impact his presidency.

The president was also what Thomas deemed an “odious blurter.” In addition to making anti-Semitic comments, Nixon would often say whatever came to mind — no matter the consequences.
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/richard-nixon-his-own-worst-enemy/

I'm sticking with Fat Nixon. It fits.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
37. Nixon v. Trump
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:04 AM
Sep 2019

1) Nixon was self-made, coming from a poor background and worked his way up. Trump was the diametric opposite.
2) Nixon was an excellent lawyer, arguing cases before the US Supreme Court. He was basically top of his class at Duke Law School. Trump has done nothing of the sort.
3) Nixon had some good foreign policy initiatives as President, including with China and Russia. No need to comment on Trump.
4) Nixon was a Congressman for three terms, a US Senator for 2 years, Vice-President for 8 years, all of which was 8 years before he became President. During those 8 years, he was the named partner at major Wall Street law firm. Trump inherited everything from Fred and had no political experience.
5) Nixon served in the military during WW II. Trump had bone spurs and did nothing of the sort, war or peacetime.

Trump is a spoiled narcissistic adult baby who does corrupt things. Nixon was paranoid as hell and did corrupt things, but, at least IMHO, that's about where the similarities end. Nixon's downfall was his paranoia, whereas the reasons for Trump's falling down are far too many to mention.

Anyways, I take your point that there are some similarities. However, there were SOME redeeming qualities about Tricky Dick; by contrast, there are NONE about our current Dear Leader. Trump's greatest problems are that he is a narcissist, inexperienced, and incompetent, traits that Richard Nixon does not share.

Response to blm (Original post)

blm

(113,043 posts)
13. I absolutely believe that GOP is counting on Russia cheating, and
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:15 PM
Sep 2019

that many of these retirement announcements are because the GOPs internal polling is showing a widespread wipeout.

I think these retirees don’t want to get caught up in the inevitable cheating drama.

Response to blm (Reply #13)

Response to blm (Reply #19)

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
34. The first theft......
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:01 AM
Sep 2019

was in Florida (with help from DC) of the 2000 election for Gore, followed by 2004 by Ohio for Kerry. They've learned their lessons well and will continue practicing.

We MUST GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
7. I believe the Russians or Chinese could mess with the voting machines and he will say
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:09 PM
Sep 2019

"see, all the polls were wrong just like last time" and the press will say "see, the polls were wrong just like the last time". Then we get 4 more years of spiraling downwards into who knows what.

Response to mucifer (Reply #7)

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
9. nope... he is hoping that there are even more dumbfucks
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:11 PM
Sep 2019

who didn't vote for him last time...to replace the easily scammed slight dumbfucks who were also antiHa (anti-Hillary) who have since woken up just a little.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
10. Easy to explain
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:13 PM
Sep 2019

He has said that all the blacks (he refers to them as “my blacks”) Hispanics and LGBTQ are going to vote for him.
Believe me.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
11. No - but I don't believe he had the votes in 2016
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:13 PM
Sep 2019

Nor did Bush in 2000 or 2004.

A better question is, what are people prepared to do if another election is stolen.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
12. No. Wouldn't matter if he did, the incredibly low turn out was key
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:14 PM
Sep 2019

Which, in part, was a result of the media calling it weeks out.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
29. It's all about turnout
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 06:44 AM
Sep 2019

and frankly the best choice for VP on any ticket is Kamala. She would create a big turnout.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
15. i cant imagine it. tho i never imagined him in the first place. but farmers
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:18 PM
Sep 2019

are just not that stupid, and even if they were, climate change is breathing down their necks.
maybe w/o the fires and the floods, they could swallow the money part of it. but farmers are getting a heck of a wake up call this year.

and a whole lot of folks in ohio who knew they should be selling their houses and getting out, but he told them not to.

a lot of people had their doubts. i cant believe he has relieved a single doubt.

salin

(48,955 posts)
21. Yes and No.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:32 PM
Sep 2019

There were tentative voters in the religious right, and some who may have voted third party, who now are indoctrinated via the pulpit (with messages that he is chosen by God... at this time), who are now devoted. I think there are some who now are switched voters, and others who were tentative voters who are now die hard supporters.

At the same time - that is a relatively small group - given that most in that space voted for him - for the Supreme Court votes (and he delivered, and now they are devoted.) And those that didn't vote for him are now sold - but most voted for him - = a relatively small percentage of voters.

Meanwhile, some wanting disruption - and voted for him - are either already switching, or are on the edge. Others (I know some of these voters) who were traditional republicans - thought the bluster was an act. Many of these either became part of the Blue Wave (to vote against) - or weren't ready in 2018 to make that stand, but now are further disgusted. This group is, as evidenced in 2018, at least as large as the first group to which I referred that might be new Trump Voters - and there are more of these folks who may have still stayed in the party in 2018, who are growing more disillusioned. So in the whole - it is hard to see how he keeps the same number of votes, and is more likely to lose many more votes in 2020.

That said - no complacency can creep in against Trump. We already experienced the unbelievable in 2016.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
24. I heard today that it is statistically possible for trump...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:42 PM
Sep 2019

.. to lose the popular by 4% and still win the electoral.
Anybody know anything about that?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
26. No. 2018 was when I finally started feeling optimistic.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:55 PM
Sep 2019

We normally underperform in mid-terms and over-perform in Presidential elections. 16 was an anomaly. We just did not get it the vote where it mattered.

We did last year. We will in 20.

And that is assuming no trump votes have switched. But some have. Not a ton. But we don’t need a ton.

There is a huge reserve in America just waiting to vote against this SOB. It may well exceed 2008. Several coworkers who were quiet about the vote in 16 I know voted for trump hate him now.

Americans want normalcy.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
27. I assume it to be true
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:00 AM
Sep 2019

as I would rather overestimate an opponent than underestimate them and come up short

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
30. No. Some of the targets of the con have come to realize it was all a reality show.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:04 AM
Sep 2019

Farms are going bankrupt, car plants have closed, manufacturing is on the decline, even coal miners are mad. The only people getting any benefit from his reign are day traders good at reading stock manipulation.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
33. I think it is possible that he has added to his voters but...
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:56 AM
Sep 2019

I don't know if he has kept all of his 2016 voters? My guess would be that he has kept most of them.

He has targeted small special interest groups to add to his 2016 totals, in my opinion. People such as motorcyclists, small local police forces, NRA-types, etc.

His present China trade screw-up is explained as "somebody had to do it. And he's doing it to keep jobs here and help America". He wants the labor vote.

blm

(113,043 posts)
40. I see losses of 2-5% in swing states he won.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:30 PM
Sep 2019

I can’t see any way he cons them into coming back.

blm

(113,043 posts)
39. Exactly. I'm in NC where we keep taking em to court.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:29 PM
Sep 2019

Yay us!

Another primary for us, old buddy.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
41. Yay, NC!
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:50 PM
Sep 2019

I love North Carolina and am so happy about the gerrymander decision.

Pity us in Florida.

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