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Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
1. Whoa
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:20 PM
Sep 2019

These numbers are grim for Trump.

but they also tell you what his campaign will consist of, it will consist of painting the Democrat as worse than Trump and the devil.

 

5starlib

(191 posts)
17. Hillary won in the wrong states...
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:12 PM
Sep 2019

Getting millions of votes in SF, LA, NYC, Seattle, and Portland is not going to help us win the election.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Whoa, so in real life, that's 64% anti-Trump voters.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:23 PM
Sep 2019

...allowing for the usual 12 point RW bias in Assmussen polls.

And...holy CRAP! Slipped from 90% to 75% (63% ?) among Russiapublican voters? That's Yuge!

Freethinker65

(10,017 posts)
4. They better damn well suck it up and vote for the Democratic candidate this time to get Trump out!
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:24 PM
Sep 2019

And not some lame ass Chicago Tribune endorsed fucking protest vote for a third party candidate with no chance.

In Four years, if the GOP has enough sane Republicans left, they can return to the party of "ME and fuck everyone else...I want my money".
Country over Party this next Presidential Election!

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
5. 2016 polls showed Hillary winning (which she did) by about 1-3% (or so)
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:28 PM
Sep 2019

If we do not want to see 2020 stolen in cahoots with the Russians again, our candidate needs to be ahead in the polls by nearly double digits on Election Morning for me to feel remotely confident that the fix is not in and that the election will actually go to the person with the most votes and support sea-to-sea.

We still have the electoral college nonsense and we still have state voting systems that were easily influenced (and I believe they were hacked AND altered) in '16. Without resounding margins and enormous voter turnout, we may see the same thing in '20.

Huge difference between "planning to vote against Trump" and "hauled ass out of house and DID vote against Trump"....we need a lot more of the latter and a lot fewer of the former next time out...

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. so much for that vaunted record approval within the GOP
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:56 PM
Sep 2019

W was never below 80% GOP approval until after the Katrina debacle

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
13. I sure don't trust 21% of republicans to vote for the democratic nominee but...
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 04:04 PM
Sep 2019

...it would be just fine if they just stay home.

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
15. That would probably be the best case scenario
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 04:17 PM
Sep 2019

That would be less votes for the Republicans down the ballot.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
16. Nice to hear, but don't get complacent.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 04:22 PM
Sep 2019

Always keep in mind that the vote is tallied state by state by the Electoral College vote count, not the popular vote count.

Consequently, many political analysts are saying that in 2020 Trump can lose the popular vote count by as much as 5 million and still win the electoral count.

And considering the GOPers gave Putin a green light to tamper with elections and SCOTUS gave states a green light to purge voter rolls, beating Trump may be more of an uphill battle than the polls would suggest.

I hope we Dems just keep campaigning and donating and voting and working our butts off as though our candidate is 15 points behind, no matter what the pollsters say.

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