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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:44 PM Sep 2019

Umm ... There's A Whistleblower About the President's Tax Returns


By Josh Marshall
September 5, 2019 12:49 pm

Did you know that a whistleblower has come forward with evidence that Trump administration officials are interfering with the mandatory audits federal law requires for all Presidents and Vice Presidents? I didn’t either! Or at least I didn’t until I was talking to TPM’s Josh Kovensky and he mentioned it to me in passing. And yes, this is really true! (Josh wrote the story up here back on August 27th. Definitely read his analysis for a deeper look at the details.) On July 29th a federal employee came forward to the House Ways and Means Committee with “credible allegations” of possible misconduct tied to the mandatory audits of the President’s and Vice President’s taxes.

Why isn’t this a bigger deal?



First, a few points. It’s not that no one has talked about this. There were a few small write-ups of this fact in D.C. publications after Chairman Richard Neal (D-MA) raised the issue with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. Neal wrote to Mnuchin about the whistleblower in a letter dated August 8th. But it didn’t become public until August 20th when it was included in a legal filing tied to the on-going tax returns litigation.



It’s fair to say that if there hasn’t been enough attention to this Neal is as much at fault as reporters. That August 8th letter only comes at the matter in a roundabout way. One of the arguments Neal’s committee is using in its demand for the President’s tax returns is that they need to see whether the law that mandates Presidential audits is being correctly administered. The IRS/Treasury response has been that there’s nothing to worry about on that front (the concerns are “unfounded”), so you don’t need the tax returns. In the August 8th letter, Neal says, well we do think we have reason to worry and in fact now we have this whistleblower who says there’s funny business going on right now.

As you can see, the whole issue is rolled up into Neal’s strategy for getting the President’s tax returns. Federal law says Neal can just ask for the returns and the IRS has to produce them. Period. The President has told his appointees not to follow that law. So now it’s in court. Neal’s strategy has been not so much to rely on the plain text of the law but to argue his legislative purpose for requesting them. Basically, I need them because we need to check on these laws or pass new laws.

But haven’t we kind of lost the plot here? There’s a whistleblower who says Trump’s appointees are interfering with the mandatory audit of the President’s tax returns. That’s a big deal quite apart from how it affects the tax returns lawsuit!

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/umm-theres-a-whistleblower-about-the-presidents-tax-returns
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Umm ... There's A Whistleblower About the President's Tax Returns (Original Post) JonLP24 Sep 2019 OP
It is past time for Congress to grow a pair. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #1
Don't hold your breath. BamaRefugee Sep 2019 #2
I know. You're right, Bama. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #3
Being 1/2 Scot, I like your nickname! BamaRefugee Sep 2019 #7
Then you're gonna love this. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #11
My dad's last name traces to Wales JonLP24 Sep 2019 #12
The most common surnames of Wales Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #17
My dad's last name isn't common JonLP24 Sep 2019 #18
Meet me in the PMs. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #19
What region are your Scots' folks from ? Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #16
We're from Gowrie, the ancient name for the area around Perth. BamaRefugee Sep 2019 #20
Wow. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #21
As a Southerner, ancestor worship is drilled into you at a very early age. BamaRefugee Sep 2019 #22
Doesn't Barr have to agree to jail time. Smartest move Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #4
our government is riddled with mobsters and traitors Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #6
No. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2019 #10
Most confusing thing of all of Trump's crimes - who has jurisdiction over what. wish Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #14
Those returns must be amazingly stinky. Can you Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #5
The OP says allegations of "possible misconduct ". Maybe they want t secondwind Sep 2019 #8
Corruption allowed to continue is also corruption. Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #9
Is this the single source that o'donnel used? Joe941 Sep 2019 #13
Link to interesting article re one massive tax scam BSdetect Sep 2019 #15

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
1. It is past time for Congress to grow a pair.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:21 PM
Sep 2019

Enforce the fucking laws.

Enough with the waste of taxpayer money and court cases. Congress has the power to hold people in contempt. With jail time. Start fucking doing it. N O W.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
11. Then you're gonna love this.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:04 AM
Sep 2019

I have one Scottish (Highlands) parent and one Welsh parent. How they ever managed to get together, I'll never understand. Mum is the Scot - quite, serious, studious. Dad is the quintessential Welshman -always a joke, a story or a song. If I had a dime for everytime I walked into the house that Dad didn't just up and race to the piano, "Fancy a song today ?". And of course we'd sing for hours. Happy fun times.

My folks were so different. But I loved them both and learned their cultures. Made me one very confused child. Then I finally embraced the divide and ran with it. A Englishman once heard my story and afterwards, put his arm in my shoulder and said, "Oh you poor child. I canna know what the tortures you've been through."

All in All, I'm grateful for the experience. It was a wild ride but It's made me who I am.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
12. My dad's last name traces to Wales
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:07 AM
Sep 2019

My mom's last name Mc-- traces to Scotland. This is several generations back though.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
17. The most common surnames of Wales
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:54 PM
Sep 2019

are Davis (or Davies), Evans, Owens, and of course, Jones.

I think that back in the boggy mists of time, Evans and Owens were the same name, but due to the relative isolation of North Wales from South Wales, and the linguistic differences between the regions (Think of how a Texan would react to hearing a New Englander's accent for the first time.), and before there was a written alphabet that nuanced/differentiated and created spellings, (I'm thinking if the Ogham alphabet here) it could be possible.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
18. My dad's last name isn't common
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:57 PM
Sep 2019

I'd share it but I don't want to dox myself. There is a church in Wales that shares my last name. Begins with a P.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
20. We're from Gowrie, the ancient name for the area around Perth.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:36 PM
Sep 2019

How we got there is interesting, Danish Vikings named Ruthven, who enjoyed rape and pillage frolics in Scotland on a regular basis, until the Danish King raised his share of the booty they brought back, so they just went to Scotland and stayed.
If you look up Gowrie, you'll see mention of the Earl of Gowrie, a title created for members of the Ruthven clan.
We were notorious, when aroused not afraid to do a little kidnapping or assassination. This link tells a little, but there is LOTS more.
[link:https://www.scotweb.co.uk/info/ruthven/|

Our name eventually became "Ruffin" and here in America my great great Uncle Edmund Ruffin was given the "honor" of firing the first shot at Fort Sumter to start the Civil War. He also committed suicide after the war because he could not bear the thought of living under the rule of the "vile and perfidious Yankee race", as he wrote in his suicide note.

My mother was descended from French Huguenots, so everything in my DNA is all about rebellion!

Oh and I'm a Son of the American Revolution too, so Donald Trump can just fuck right off, if anybody should be making decisions about who stays and who goes in this country it should be ME with 300 years of forefathers here! Not some Johan-Come-Lately German guy.


Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
21. Wow.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:46 PM
Sep 2019

Your family has an interesting history. I don't think any of my ancestors did anything that exciting. That and we've only been here since early 1900s.

How did you discover all this ? AncestryDNA or one of those places that does geneology ? This is fascinatingly cool.

And I, for one, will be happy to let YOU make decisions (if the alternative is trumpie), as you'd probably be more fair and just.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
22. As a Southerner, ancestor worship is drilled into you at a very early age.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:30 PM
Sep 2019

My Family even knows the freaking boat they came over on the last trip to Scotland from Denmark on ( I can't remember now). My great great uncle is famous, his picture is in the Ken Burns Civil War documentary and book.
An interesting side not on my mother's side is that there were lots of redheads in the family, and the guys were very attracted to Cherokee women and married several, producing a sub-genre of red headed Cherokees in North Alabama

Here's my Uncle Edmund Ruffin:
[link:http://randomthoughtsonhistory.blogspot.com/2009/06/personality-spotlight-edmund-ruffin.html|

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
4. Doesn't Barr have to agree to jail time. Smartest move
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:11 PM
Sep 2019

our Dictator made - putting a lackey in charge of the law.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. Most confusing thing of all of Trump's crimes - who has jurisdiction over what. wish
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:55 AM
Sep 2019

NY Times would do one of their great charts - outlining ALL the investigations, subpoenas ignored, court cases opened and closed. whose jurisdiction its in and what the status.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. Those returns must be amazingly stinky. Can you
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:14 PM
Sep 2019

Imagine a normal citizen trying to hide returns? People like us who can't lawyer up.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
8. The OP says allegations of "possible misconduct ". Maybe they want t
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019

gather more information before this hits the papers.

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
13. Is this the single source that o'donnel used?
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:08 AM
Sep 2019

I'm guessing the story needs to be verified and made sure it's not another tRump trap for the media.

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