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DOJ says only the executive branch can decide whether to go to court to enforce Congressional subpoe (Original Post) dajoki Sep 2019 OP
I'd say they've already destroyed MontanaMama Sep 2019 #1
Ah! I love the smell of fascist dictatorship in the morning! n/t Eyeball_Kid Sep 2019 #2
Where are we at on impeachment? Autumn Sep 2019 #3
Somewhere between "not yet" and "let's see how low he can go" Mystery sage Sep 2019 #4
They might want to fucking hurry. We're running out of time. In more ways than one. Autumn Sep 2019 #5
Someone better have a Plan B. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2019 #6
Going for broke. Nt jaysunb Sep 2019 #7
Well now we have a full on Gestapo DOJ BSdetect Sep 2019 #8
Worth noting that there's little new here FBaggins Sep 2019 #9
If they refuse to enforce/uphold the law, should they still enjoy the protection of the law? Brawndo Sep 2019 #10
You got to be kidding Gothmog Sep 2019 #11
Someone should ask to see the DOJ in Court right away. kentuck Sep 2019 #12
This argument is weak Gothmog Sep 2019 #13
Barr is ever lower struggle4progress Sep 2019 #14
Yeah, but sadly I think hes not wrong. Volaris Sep 2019 #16
Congress does have means of enforcement and dems should use it seeing cons would not hesitate uponit7771 Sep 2019 #17
Has congressional enforcement of it's own orders dver been tested at the supreme court level? Volaris Sep 2019 #18
Yes, last time it was used was 1935 (link) uponit7771 Sep 2019 #19
Thank you for the link n info...can't opening now, but will read tomorrow n reply) Volaris Sep 2019 #21
Didn't there used to be things called "Courts" & "Congress"? Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #15
Republicans: only foxes are qualified are qualified to guard the hen house. DFW Sep 2019 #20

Mystery sage

(576 posts)
4. Somewhere between "not yet" and "let's see how low he can go"
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:16 AM
Sep 2019

To be fair though they're working on it behind the scenes it just may be a while before we see anything come out of it

BSdetect

(8,995 posts)
8. Well now we have a full on Gestapo DOJ
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:24 AM
Sep 2019

When they start rounding up anyone they call a dissident by their own definitions it will be too late.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
9. Worth noting that there's little new here
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:31 PM
Sep 2019

It's less a political fight between right and left than it is a fight between two co-equal branches of government trying to get the third to go to the prom with them.

This is an almost identical argument to when the House tried to get the courts to enforce a subpoena against Eric Holder after the Obama DOJ (run by Holder) declined to prosecute. The House won the initial claim (and will almost certainly win here as well), because the DC circuit had rulings from the 70s that supported that reading... but the two sides cut a deal before the DC circuit finished reviewing the case.

There's a 50/50 chance that the appellate court will overturn the earlier precedent and rule against the House... but there's little doubt that the current SCOTUS would do so.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
16. Yeah, but sadly I think hes not wrong.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:49 AM
Sep 2019

It's the executive that has to enforce law at the federal level...its an oversight by the people who wrote the constitution that thought the executive would defer to the wishes of a co equal branch out of respect.

To the best of my knowledge, it was remedied in every state constitution written...power of enforcement in these kinds of matters rests with the courts...not the governors necessarily..

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
17. Congress does have means of enforcement and dems should use it seeing cons would not hesitate
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:59 AM
Sep 2019

... to put democrats in jail quick fast for being non-white or some other stupid shit

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
18. Has congressional enforcement of it's own orders dver been tested at the supreme court level?
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:17 AM
Sep 2019

If not, subpoena enforcement falls to the executive branch...its why Karl Rove flat out ignored the congressional order to testify...because Jr told him he wouldn't enforce it...

If there were specific or mitigating circumstances, I'm not aware of them.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
19. Yes, last time it was used was 1935 (link)
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:21 AM
Sep 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress

The last time Congress arrested and detained a witness was in 1935.[3] Since then, it has instead referred cases to the United States Department of Justice

Kid Berwyn

(14,808 posts)
15. Didn't there used to be things called "Courts" & "Congress"?
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:38 AM
Sep 2019

Before Barr and the Unitary Executive, I mean.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
20. Republicans: only foxes are qualified are qualified to guard the hen house.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:47 AM
Sep 2019

And only Republican foxes at that.

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