Trump has infiltrated our entire government with his disciples from hell, including the military.

[shockey80]

I have said this before, it's like a horror movie, It's like the Omen. Trump has people everywhere in the government who will break any law in order to protect Trump. I have to assume he has disciples from hell who will sabotage the election process. This is why I believe impeachment must happen. The Democrats must start holding more open hearings. It is time to pick up the pace of the impeachment inquiry. You do that with open hearings.

I do not believe impeachment will help Trump in the election. I believe it will hurt him badly even if the Senate does not convict.
We need open hearings on impeachment televised everyday to show the American people how corrupt Trump and his people are. It is time for the Democrats to get mean, to be brutal.


Trump is going to get more and more evil as we head into the election. The Democrats must understand the great evil they are facing. Hoping to win the election is not enough. Trump is not going to hope he wins the election, he is going to cheat. The Democrats must use every power, tool they have to destroy Trump, including impeachment. Over the next two months we should know how serious the Democrats are about impeachment. I believe the Democrats are starting to realize impeachment is no longer a choice. It must happen, the survival of our democracy depends on it.

I have been trying to figure out how many articles of impeachment the House could bring against Trump. It could easily be in the dozens. Trumps entire presidency is an impeachable offense.

[RKP5637]

1. To the general public the perception is the democrats look weak and incapable of

holding him back. Therefore, IMO, impeachment proceedings should begin as soon as logically possible. Otherwise, the perception IMO will be that the democrats did nothing. Now, I know a lot has been done ... but it is the perception that bothers me. Proceeding with impeachment would tie up a lot of loose ends and probably give the lay public a better focus. I think these are highly dangerous times ... far more than the general public currently comprehends.

[triron]

18. Our 'general public' has been brainwashed by a complicit irresponsible media.

[Duppers]

31. Well said. nt

[rufus dog]

48. The argument that that tRump will claim innocence/vindication if not convicted by the Senate is...

ridiculous. If the House doesn't impeach he will claim innocence/vindication.

It is amazing how many here repeat the ridiculous point as a reason not to impeach when tRump will claim vindication regardless. WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT HE CLAIMS!!

There are four options/outcomes

1. Do nothing and wait for the election - he likely loses but the corrupt Repubs ramp it up to the next level the next time they win.
2. Impeach in the House, don't send to the Senate - Evidence get's out, creates a talking point that the Dems won't work with Repubs.
3. Impeach in the House, Senate doesn't convict - Evidence get's out, Repubs are forced to defend the indefensible.
4. Impeach in the House, Senate convicts.

Doing nothing is a horrible option. The media created tRump, the media promoted tRump, and the media will jump on the meme that Dems are weak.

We need to knock the shit out of the Repubs AND the media. Doing nothing is a horrible option and will cost the Dems, maybe not in 2020, but it will eventually.

[RKP5637]

49. Agree/Excellent - This should be an original post for visibility!!! n/t

[smirkymonkey]

50. +1000

[Arkansas Granny]

2. I was unsure about impeachment until recently. There is something dreadfully wrong with Trump

and it gets worse by the day. His speech, his posture and his activities are on a downward spiral. He's a sick man and needs to be removed from office before he does any more harm to the nation and the government.

[RKP5637]

3. K&R!!!!!! n/t

[shockey80]

4. Many Americans, including some Democrats in congress were unsure about impeachment.

That must change and I think it is. Simply waiting another year and half to hopefully vote Trump out of office is sheer madness.

[RKP5637]

7. EXACTLY!!! "Simply waiting another year and half to hopefully vote Trump out of office is

sheer madness."

[usaf-vet]

9. I agree with this approach!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212444950

And start doing it NOW.

[at140]

35. Only his doctor and pharmacist know

what drugs fatso Trump is addicted to.

[dalton99a]

5. Kick

[kentuck]

12. This is the most sordid and repulsive cartoon I have seen in quite some time.

[triron]

20. Great caricature! Hits the mark.

[Duppers]

32. Amen. Make Rethugs go on record

Of supporting this lying, grafting monster in the WH.

[SMC22307]

8. Right-wingers have been doing this for decades.

They've got billionaires backing them and control the media. Hell, we can't even keep "Think Progress" afloat. Everyone should read "What's the Matter with Kansas?" It's all laid out in that book...

[2naSalit]

10. +1

[Kurt V.]

44. +2

[kentuck]

11. I agree with you.

Politically speaking, the Democrats need to step up their game.

They need to go on an offensive. They need to communicate to people how serious this investigation will be. They need to start calling witnesses, starting with Stormy Daniels. The unlawful act of paying off a porn star and model, to keep them quiet right before the election, was and is, a violation of campaign finance laws.

I would agree that a couple of leaders need to emerge from the Congress and lead these investigations.

First of all, they would need a strategy...

[RKP5637]

19. The democrats of today seem meek and ineffective, at least that is the perception. That IMO

is why impeachment needs to move along. It doesn't matter a damn what the senate does, at least the democrats would have spoken their mind and documented for all time this horrid administration.

[The Liberal Lion]

24. I tread vary carefully here on DU in criticizing democratic officals

with that being said, I can only unfortunately compare our democratic party of today with the SPD of Germany ca. 1929-1933

[RKP5637]

25. I do too, but sometimes it just seems inescapable. I certainly hope progress is made next week

with impeachment discussions. I guess I just remember the fiery democrats of my youth.

[Duppers]

34. Re: progress next week - we need to phone them.

They truly need to hear from us.

[DBoon]

28. I agree

especially the part where the SPD and the Communist Party fought each other instead of uniting

They may have fought on the streets, but they died together in the camps

[kentuck]

30. I think they need to be much more aggressive with their subpoenas for witnesses.

They could overwhelm them with subpoenas, as a beginning.

They could have a one-week presentation on live TV. A different witness each day.

They could begin with Stormy Daniels. Could she be paid off? How much money did she receive? What did she receive the money for? Was the money to keep her quiet before the election?

They could subpoena Cory Lewandowski and see if he could validate his story that he told to Robert Mueller? Just what was he asked to do? Was he asked to influence a decision by the Attorney General, Jeff Sessions? Was it about ending the Mueller investigation?

They could subpoena Rod Rosenstein and ask him of his recollections when he was asked to write a memo about why James Comey should be fired? How he felt used and deceived? How he must of felt when he was threatened with impeachment if he did not give Trump's allies on the House Committee all the classified information they were asking for? When did he go thru his transformation?

They could subpoena a couple of former Chiefs of Staff, Reince Preibus and General John Kelly. They could pick their brains for any useful information. It would make for interesting TV.

They could subpoena some lesser known aides and secretaries, who took notes and knew a lot about how the operation at the White House was being run.

They could subpoena the guy from National Enquire, Mr Pecker. How could a pecker not draw a crowd?

[RKP5637]

33. Yes, exactly! It all just seems soft-pedalled. Someone basically says go to hell, and they stop it

seems.

[jmbar2]

13. Trump didn't do this. He just unleashed the hounds.

Dominionists, Koch-libertarians, rightwing media and transnational organized crime - what a combo.

We need at least a decade of Democratic leadership to clean house. Government agencies and assets will need to be rebuilt at all levels. Possibly a chance to fix existing weaknesses.

GodSpeed to all the candidates.

[RKP5637]

21. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Harker]

14. If it's like a horror movie...

It's playing out more like Ed Wood's "Plan 9 From Outer Space" to me.

So bad it's surreal.

[EveHammond13]

15. cancer

[EveHammond13]

16. THIS: Trumps entire presidency is an impeachable offense.

[certainot]

17. but he didn't know any of these people. they've been on the republican lists of sycophants and

ayn randian wet dreamers and dittoheads, and religious university gradiuates, in RW think tanks, GOP orgss, foundations, 'law' and lobbying firms, and 'religious' orgs - waiting to be 'promoted'

[pangaia]

22. It is REPUBLICANS who are doing all this.

trump is basically the front guy, evil as he also is..

we need to go after-- REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS

say it again
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS

and again
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS
REPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORSREPUBLICAN FASCIST TRAITORS

[unitedwethrive]

26. Exactly. The repubs have been planning for this era for decades.

They had all their judge candidates and other "officials", as well as list of policy changes, all ready to go when they were able to get a hold of the presidency and the senate. This is why they are ignoring the Russian interference (and clearly, some are even a party to it), because it is simply a means to an end.

Their only power comes from lying, cheating and stealing, as is the case with any small faction trying to gain power. The only way they could win was to lay a groundwork that enabled people to be manipulated, and then to manipulate them. A huge part of getting away with it is putting their people into positions of power in each part of government.

The only reason Mueller could not find conspiracy was that they were prepared for the search, and (along with the experienced Russians) are good at hiding it. It absolutely does not mean that no collusion happened.

[The Liberal Lion]

23. I certainly share your sentiment

At this point impeachment would be little more than a gesture. Not because the Senate would fail to convict, but in fact because our government, the government that existed from Washington to Obama has collapsed. Obama was our last President. Our government is not dysfunctional, it is non-existent. There is a certain reality that can no longer be ignored or resisted. That reality is trump, even in the case of an overwhelming election loss, will not relinquish his current seat of power. When I said this same thought on other threads, there were those who told me that we can depend on the military or the secret service to escort that madman from our White House in the case of his election defeat. Given what we are seeing I now retort: REALLY!?!

We have now reach a point in this farce where I say we can no longer depend on the actions of elected representatives to rescue us. They have proven now without fail that this will not happen. It's now time we say to ourselves individually what am I going to do.

[RKP5637]

27. Well said! The checks and balances are failing! Americans have never really lived through anything

like this is their own country ... so, I think many are by default dismissive of what could/might happen.

[Duppers]

37. Well then, we should just put down our keyboards

And go cut our grass if it's that hopeless.

😞

[The Liberal Lion]

39. Correct

Put down the keyboards, but if just cutting the grass is your solution well you may as well keep that keyboard warm and fired. Respectfully submitted.

[Duppers]

41. I do not know what actions I can take

As an individual to get this country back on track, other than voting, calling reps, marching, discussing political news, sending emails, signing petitions, sending donations, all of which I do. But if these do not help, the only alternatives I can think of are illegal.

[The Liberal Lion]

42. I think what's important

is that you know what must be done and that you will not violate your ethics in order to do it. This is what makes you admirable and a worthy patriot my friend.

[Duppers]

29. Recommended x1000.

Thank you.

[bluestarone]

36. KICK!

GREAT thread!! KICK!

[IADEMO2004]

38. Dark elements in humanity have risen to the top embracing the darkness.

They will not go quietly and I fear the immediate future.

[The Liberal Lion]

40. Not to be cliche

But indeed we have nothing to fear but fear itself. It's fear that has kept us in check thus far. Now is a time for courage my friend.

[IADEMO2004]

43. Cliche indeed. I know way too many people with guns and righteousness on their side.

[The Liberal Lion]

46. Fair enough

but I would say this, they have their guns because they fear you. If you don't have a gun because you fear them (and you may own a gun for other reasons, I don't know) just think of how much more powerful your influence over them is that they need a gun to keep your opinions at bay. Use that power.

[spanone]

45. We just saw proof of that with NOAA

[Harker]

47. No true scientist would sell their soul

that cheap.

Fake science!