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applegrove

(118,642 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:42 PM Sep 2019

As Bahamas Turn To Recovery, U.S. Worries About China Stepping In To Help

As Bahamas Turn To Recovery, U.S. Worries About China Stepping In To Help

FRANCO ORDOÑEZ at NPR

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/06/758107009/as-bahamas-turn-to-recovery-u-s-worries-about-china-stepping-in-to-help

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"The administration will see this as part of a broader concern about China investing in countries as a threat to make potentially those countries beholden to China or indebted to China and to diminish the United States's influence in the Western Hemisphere," said Dermody, who is now at the law firm of O'Melveny & Myers. "And I would say that the concern is particularly acute where the investment is going to be in information technology. And in light of the catastrophic damage of the Bahamas, I think that is going to be an issue."

José Cárdenas, who served in the National Security Council under George W. Bush and regularly speaks with Trump administration officials, called the situation complicated.

It's very likely that the Chinese will have some role in the reconstruction of the Bahamas and the United States does not want to be critical of any foreign government offering aid to the Bahamas. But he said the concerns are real. What's important, he said, is that the United States continue its campaign speaking to the broader region that the Chinese presence isn't "all sweetness and light."

"The temptation is so great to take advantage of Chinese largesse," he said. "But to the peoples of the hemisphere, the United States ought to be very clear in a public diplomacy campaign that the Chinese government largesse comes with a lot of baggage. It comes with a lot of strings attached, and it has implications for democratic institutions and rule of law."


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Trump should have been publisizing the needs the Bahamas has so private and church donations go up. Instead it was "Alabama, Alabama, Alabama".

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kskiska

(27,045 posts)
1. Why isn't the U.S. taking the initiative
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:55 PM
Sep 2019

to help the Bahamas to rebuild? In a normal administration that would be a no-brainer.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
2. They are but it is not in the news because "Alabama" is. US coast guard
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:58 PM
Sep 2019

was there asap. From the link:

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Emergency teams from the United States have been sent to help in the Bahamas, where tens of thousands of people need food. Thirty people have been confirmed dead, but the numbers are expected to rise as recovery efforts continue. The administration is encouraging donations via the Center for International Disaster Information website.

"This is part of a broader international response effort that includes Caribbean partners, the United Kingdom, and Canada, so that the government of the Bahamas can provide lifesaving and life sustaining care to their people," said National Security Council spokesman Garrett Marquis.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Well, our aid has always had strings attached, and local dictators loved it...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:04 PM
Sep 2019

So, maybe it's just China's time. They're a lot better at this stuff than the Russians/Soviets ever were.

Chinese missiles in Cuba? Nah-- maybe Venezuela, though.

They're big in Africa, too.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
6. It has less strings attached these days. When i was studying development
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:08 PM
Sep 2019

economics jobs on the ground for long term projects often went to white people from donor countries than to locals. Can't believe we thought that was normal. Or healthy. Or good. Or helpfull.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. China has basically checkmated us worldwide since Trump took office.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:21 PM
Sep 2019

China either controls outright or has effective control over something like 90% of strategic metals after they agressive move into Africa over that last 2.5 years. They may also "inherit" Afghanistan after we are gone, without a need to fire a single bullet.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
4. When Dotard gets around to it...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:05 PM
Sep 2019

Hope he does a better than the paper towels he threw in Puerto Rico for US citizens. I won’t hold my breath.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
7. This makes the U.S. sound like a jealous ex-boyfriend
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:09 PM
Sep 2019

The US doesn't want to help the Bahamas and sure as hell doesn't want anyone else to.

jpak

(41,757 posts)
8. Well maybe the US can help its neighbor - and not let China fill the vacuum.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:15 PM
Sep 2019

This is not complicated.

Sheesh.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. Under Trump, we could not effectively help our own island citizens.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:25 PM
Sep 2019

You expect that clown to do a better job with the Bahamas? If it was not for the fact that they are OUR country people, China would have beaten us in helping Puerto Rico.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. Countries with U S military bases !!!
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:35 PM
Sep 2019

DUH !!!

China has been "moving in" throughout the world for some time, especially Africa and South America, especially economically--always, with a caveat.. same as the Imperial United States Government...
They practically OWN Toronto !! so to speak...

And who can blame them...?

They have already won this war with us.

This is 4 year old but..


roamer65

(36,745 posts)
12. Cuba and Venezuela have already taken Chinese loans.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:30 PM
Sep 2019

If the Bahamians do, I don’t blame them one bit.

I’ve already sent money to the relief fund, so that’s money they won’t have to borrow.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
14. The pathetic irony of all this is....
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:14 PM
Sep 2019

the Chinese are buying influence around the globe using profits from OUR purchases of Chinese-made goods from our retailers.....toys, clothing, cell phones, stereos, TVs and millions of other products, AND Trump-branded products.

Think (almost) everything Walmart, Target, Costco and Amazon, for example.

A bit of hypocrisy, eh?.........

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