I have a suggestion

[lunatica]

Everyone just stop believing anything that Trump says, tweets or speechifies. The same goes for anyone speaking for him. Just assume it’s a lie until and unless it’s proven to be true.

When someone is a proven liar you don’t need to overthink everything that comes out of their mouth. You don’t need to decide if they only lie 10 or 20% of the time. You don’t need to flipflop around thinking he’s ever telling the truth. Narcissists lie as often they breath and will tell the truth only if it serves their purpose better than a lie will.

A lie to a Narcissist is not a self protective thing told so they don’t get in trouble. It’s always a deliberate form of manipulation to serve their ends. To them there is really no difference in quality between lying and the truth. They are both of equal importance and they choose which to use as they see fit in any given situation. Narcissistic Liars feel no guilt. Unlike the rest of us they are not burdened with a conscience. The god they serve is their every whim.

[marble falls]

1. Too late. All of us here already have. That barn door is already open and the horses are long gone.

[lunatica]

2. Not everyone has his number yet

I posted this after three threads were about believing he really did plan the Taliban meeting. I guess people are trying to be cautious, just in case it might be true.

The fact is that he’s obviously continuing to manipulate all of us, whether he uses a lie or the truth to do it.

[lunasun]

3. Not just him but all the propaganda out there Fox , Sinclair , weird stations I have caught while on

business travel on cable like OAN or Newsmax . So many of the AM radio stations carrying hate radio shows out where I drive on business . Lots of sources of all lies now.
Preachers providing lies and hate on Sunday
Let people know not to listen Trump lies but it is boosted by many and many are more evil lies than even him. They are all manipulating those who listen
He is not the only narcissist with lies and without guilt . It is a group narcissism imo
I do not have cable at home,and a great local antenna station here, but when I have caught some of these lies and hate broadcasts away from home they remind me of this movie scene .
The comic series is not the same but still dealt with facism and the leader was verydisturbed like trump
This scene is from the movie and had a talking head broadcast for people to listen in to full of hate and distorted religious faith in England
Btw imo that is where Putin is right now leading Russia and the
strongest weapons of propaganda on his own people are group narcissism ,hate of others, and a powerful authoritarian state church

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[lunatica]

4. This is a very good post

Thanks!

Many years ago I read somewhere that Narcissist will gang up together to get rid of anyone who is an obstruction to their plans, but that they aren’t friends as people would assume.

But I think many of Trump’s enablers are probably normal people in the sense that they know what is right and wrong, but that they themselves have fallen for the lies and promises of wealth and fame coming to them.

Trump didn’t come into office with an administration already set up with sycophants. Remember how many people he’s had to fire to finally get his way? Rachel Maddow used to have a list of people who quit or were fired and would show it on the wall behind her, but she had to discontinue it because she ran out of wall.

I’m willing to bet that like an iceberg everything that we see and find out about Trump’s machinations is only a fraction of the reality.