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Their bodies.
Its a good article but I am not in a place where I can fix the link. If someone thinks the article is newsworthy please feel free to repost with correct info, thank you!
https://medium.com/swimfly143/alaska-high-school-swimming-divings-inexcusable-swimsuit-scandal-33cc10f180b9
MiniMe
(21,714 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,181 posts)this is inexcusable
RKP5637
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(67,105 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,181 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)Medium homepage.
AllaN01Bear
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(65,336 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)It gets much worse than last nights injustice for the young lady whose victory was stolen from her when she discovered that a suit her high school team told her she could wear resulted in her disqualification. This same girl was the subject of one rogue team parents photography project last season in which he took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit without her knowledge or consent and circulated the images via email as evidence that her attire is immoral. She is a minor and that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography.
Was this parent taking the pictures during the meet? Or in the locker room?
If it was during the meet, then how can someone argue that the swimsuits are perfectly fine, but that a picture of a girl wearing the suit qualifies as child pornography?!
This makes no sense.
skypilot
(8,853 posts)That line of reasoning is not helpful.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Sounds like a notoriety effect. It's okay until somebody complains, then it's not okay.
I think the writer has a rather big logical lapse. If the picture is "pornography" and shouldn't have been distributed, and it's not like there was some error so that inappropriate bits were showing or some filter added to exaggerate or misrepresent reality, wouldn't it mean that the swim meet was, well, live pornography with a minor participant?
On the other hand, the article is mostly a rant. There might be a good point in there, but seriously. I've been to high school dances where body shape made something inappropriate. Put the same dress or pants or shorts on a different person, no problem. But on the person wearing the clothing, just no.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)If minor is wearing swimsuit at public competitions, how then a photo of this minor in this swimsuit be child pornography?
unblock
(52,204 posts)A pornographer could take an innocent seeming picture, then zoom in or crop it or use other techniques to sexualize the image, and add verbiage or music to further sexualize it.
Conversely, there are documentaries and clinical videos with complete nudity that wouldn't be considered pornography.
unblock
(52,204 posts)A minor can be perfectly reasonably attired, and a normal photograph with normal verbiage attached would hardly be child pornography.
But zooming in on certain body parts and attaching verbiage that put it in a sexualized context could amount to child pornography.
If that's what this photographer did, I can see that as a reasonable complaint.
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)But zooming in on certain body parts and attaching verbiage that put it in a sexualized context could amount to child pornography.
I think that could contribute to sexualizing it to some extent. But the claim was that the parent "took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit," and I'm wondering just how graphic could it have been if the swimsuit was approved by the various athletic commissions? Unless the student was altering the swimsuit in a way to show off more skin, I don't see how graphic the sexualizing could have been.
We used to joke about "This thread is useless without pics," but in this case I really think pictures are necessary. (Even if they're just drawings.)
unblock
(52,204 posts)mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)My guess is that the suit doesn't fully cover her butt. Swimsuits, doing what swimsuits do, rides up when getting out of the water. IOW he zoomed in on her butt.
marybourg
(12,622 posts)was surprised to see at a recent gymnastic event.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)What has been carried out on pool decks in Alaska in the last year is nothing short of racism, sexism, body shaming, and child abuse. That no one has been sued, arrested, or tossed in jail boggles the mind. Their suits satisfy the requirements as put forth by the National Federation of High School Sports and the only reason this ever became an issue is because certain people cannot keep their ultra conservative beliefs to themselves. It is only these girls with their darker skin and unique bodies who have been targeted; it is only girls suits that are being singled out, not boys;
A young lady from Anchorage, Alaskas Dimond High School was disqualified at a high school swimming & diving dual meet between Dimond and Chugiak on Friday September 6th for a wardrobe violation while wearing a suit sized to fit snug for racing by the manufacturer and issued to her in accordance with uniform regulations by her team. It is the same suit being worn by each participant yet no other athletes in the program were disqualified. This comes after more than a year of tension regarding the fit of suits worn by athletes at youth swim meets in the state of Alaska. If the suit was issued by her team in accordance with national standards and she was wearing it as directed without prohibited modifications then why was she disqualified
It gets much worse than last nights injustice for the young lady whose victory was stolen from her when she discovered that a suit her high school team told her she could wear resulted in her disqualification. This same girl was the subject of one rogue team parents photography project last season in which he took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit without her knowledge or consent and circulated the images via email as evidence that her attire is immoral. She is a minor and that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography. Her younger sister, one of the fastest athletes in the history of Alaska swimming, has told her family and friends she feels as though shes being told by the community that her specific body is not appropriate for competitive swimming. It is the most heartbreaking thing to hear from a young person who is fit and healthy and who is just trying to ensure a brighter future for herself through this sport. We need to fight for these girls so that perverted adults can no longer single them out or judge them. Every organization associated with competitive youth swimming in the state of Alaska and the whole of the United States needs to protect them so they can get their focus back on swimming fast which is all theyve ever wanted to do
trof
(54,256 posts)Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)is worn?
I saw this response to the article, and I still feel confused. No way to make a judgement without some way of sharing what exactly is the issue.
Angel Mock
Sep 8
"I am a former age group swim coach in Alaska, and have shared the swimming pool deck with Ms. Langford. I have to say that our views and perceptions on this topic are very different. I am a former collegiate swimmer, and have been coaching swimming for the last 6 years. I have seen many different suit styles come and go through my years. The issue that Alaska swimming is having right now, has nothing to do with racism, body shaming, or sexism. It is the fact that the child being written about has not been wearing the uniform or swimsuit the way it was made or meant to be worn. In my opinion, it is, and has been obvious to swimmers, parents, coaches and officials that the swim suit worn by this swimmer is purposefully placed in a manner to expose more area. I have personally witnessed this swimmers suit and can say that it is not being worn in the intended manner. USA swimming has put guidelines in place for us to follow involving coverage of swim suits, and these guidelines have been ignored.
There are a couple of things that I think Ms. Langford failed to mention in her article. First, the fact that this swimmer had been warned on more than one occasion that even though the suit was within FINA guidelines, the placement of the suit was not. Second, where are the rights of the rest of the swimmers in this swimmers presence? It is an interesting argument that the swimmer is wearing the suit appropriately, but when photographed it becomes inappropriate. (I would like to make it clear that I in no way condone pictures of this child being taken)
I would like to put this in a different setting. Most schools have some sort of dress code that they are to abide by. Whether it be that shorts have to be a certain length, or that a hood cannot be worn up on a hoodie etc. These rules are not in place because of race, gender or body size. They are in place to keep our children safe. So when a child gets disciplined because his hood is up on his hoodie, it has nothing to do with the fact that hes wearing a hoodie. It has to do with the fact that hes not wearing the hoodie in accordance with the rules.
As coaches and teachers, we are required to take courses on sexual abuse, and safety of our children. I look at this situation from a couple of angles . First, it is our responsibility to keep our swimmers safe, including this swimmer. Unfortunately, we do have perverted people out there that dont view children in the same manner that most of us do. Second, we are not focusing on the children around this swimmer. The way the swimmer is wearing her suit, exposes body parts that can make other swimmers uncomfortable. Let me reiterate that the suit is not being worn as intended, nor does it have anything to do with body type, race or gender.
In my opinion, I have several roles when parents trust me to coach their children. I am to be a role model, an example, and a moral compass. I am there to instill confidence and respect for all of the swimmers. If I, as an adult, would wear a swimsuit around children the way this swimmer does, it would be considered indecent exposure. So I ask, why do we not expect the same from this swimmer?
I want to thank and applaud the officials that finally put a stop to this, and stood up for what the guidelines require of us."
trof
(54,256 posts)What?
Were her tits hanging out?
Was the back in her ass crack?
How do you 'place' a bathing suit on your body?
bother
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)If it wasn't something so extreme like those examples, then it's probably an extreme overraction, but without seeing what the actual complaint is about, there is no way to know.
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)This stupid ... sigh
RainCaster
(10,869 posts)Which is why we get a photo of an empty swimming pool.
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)I can't see anything wrong with any of the suits so far and if it was approved her disqualification should be challenged.
https://m.facebook.com/dhsswimanddive/
They have a website too but nothing is coming up for me at the time of this posting...
http://www.dimondswimanddive.org
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)A young lady from Anchorage, Alaskas Dimond High School was disqualified at a high school swimming & diving dual meet between Dimond and Chugiak on Friday September 6th for a wardrobe violation while wearing a suit sized to fit snug for racing by the manufacturer and issued to her in accordance with uniform regulations by her team. It is the same suit being worn by each participant yet no other athletes in the program were disqualified. This comes after more than a year of tension regarding the fit of suits worn by athletes at youth swim meets in the state of Alaska. If the suit was issued by her team in accordance with national standards and she was wearing it as directed without prohibited modifications then why was she disqualified?
This young lady and her sisters are being targeted not for the way they wear their suits but for the way those suits fit their curvier, fuller figured bodies. The issue has come so far unraveled that parents in opposition of these girls and their swimwear have been heard saying that for the sake of their sons, the mother of these young ladies should cover up her daughters. Talk about thrusting modern women back into an era in which men were never held accountable for their behavior! Special legislation has been put forth regarding swimming costumes in this state as well and it is one officials interpretation of national rules in which they come across as misguided by their spiritual beliefs regarding modesty and morality which have no place on the pool deck at a secular sporting event. While it will polarize Alaska Swimming to an unprecedented degree, it is crucial that this community rise up to protect these girls. They are being targeted not because they are wearing their suits to be scandalous, thus inspiring immorality among other young people, but rather because their ample hips, tiny waists, full chests, and dark complexions look different than their willowy, thin, and mostly pallid teammates. Some will argue this has nothing to do with race, but when the same officials targeting these girls have been heard saying that so-and-so white girl also shows too much skin but has never been disqualified for a similar violation the racial facet of this issue cannot be ignored.
We need to let these girls know that no one can pass judgement on their bodies for any reason. Our community needs to ensure that these young ladies and countless others like them, current and prospective swimmers, can train and compete without fear of being targeted because they look different. We need to fight for these girls because the future of competitive swimming in Alaska looks up to them for their prowess in the pool. It never should have come to this in last nights disqualification and it is time to bring an end to this discrimination.
It gets much worse than last nights injustice for the young lady whose victory was stolen from her when she discovered that a suit her high school team told her she could wear resulted in her disqualification. This same girl was the subject of one rogue team parents photography project last season in which he took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit without her knowledge or consent and circulated the images via email as evidence that her attire is immoral. She is a minor and that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography.
califootman
(120 posts)But as soon as she stepped out of the water, she learned that she had been disqualified.
The reason? Her swimsuit was exposing too much of her buttocks, an official ruled.
OR
"The Case of the Exposed Intergluteal Cleft"
https://www.adn.com/sports/high-school-sports/2019/09/09/uniform-violation-robs-anchorage-high-school-swimmer-of-a-victory-and-sparks-a-controversy/
It seems this issue was raised last year. There's a helpful timeline for those who haven't been keeping up due to being distracted on a near-daily basis by all the "Trump-related"-Gates going on.
https://www.asdk12.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&ModuleInstanceID=26493&ViewID=7b97f7ed-8e5e-4120-848f-a8b4987d588f&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=40797&PageID=14639
It notes on there that in May of 2019 the Assistant Principal at Dimond High School had the coaches order new swimsuits for the entire team to ensure they met the coverage guidelines mandated by the National Federation of State High School Associations.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)I had to look that one up.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)parents in opposition of these girls and their swimwear have been heard saying that for the sake of their sons, the mother of these young ladies should cover up her daughters.
Seriously? Boys at a swim meet can't manage to deal with girls wearing swimsuits at a swim meet?