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Demovictory9

(32,448 posts)
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 08:38 PM Sep 2019

"history will judge Trump to be the worst president America has had in 230 years"

But this story illustrates another dimension to the ways federal officials have had to accommodate Trump: They have been forced to defend the United States of America, its government and its interests from the president himself. As we have learned, this is a task of enormous difficulty and complexity; in a case like this, there are risks to national security and even lives.

And for what? To serve Trump’s embarrassing man-crush on Putin?

Try to imagine something similar happening with any other president from either party. Imagine American intelligence officials saying “We’d better exfiltrate this spy we have in the Kremlin before the president tells the Russians about him” if the president was Obama or Bush or Clinton or Reagan or Nixon or any other. You can’t do it.

It’s in part because of events such as this one that I’m certain history will judge Trump to be the worst president America has had in 230 years. Not just corrupt, not just ignorant, not just impulsive, not just divisive, not just bigoted, not just juvenile and petty and vindictive, but someone so untrustworthy that he couldn’t even be relied on to not spill intelligence secrets to our adversaries.

Some people assert that Trump is in fact a Russian asset; whether you agree will depend on how you define the term. But it has become clear that across the government and the country, everyone has had to adjust their expectations and actions to the fact that the president of the United States simply cannot be trusted to uphold America’s interests, if doing so conflicts with his greed, or his desire to please a foreign dictator, or simply some whim he had while watching “Fox & Friends.”

It may be some time before we understand the full extent of the damage that has caused.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/09/shocking-cnn-scoop-confirms-officials-are-defending-our-country-trump/

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"history will judge Trump to be the worst president America has had in 230 years" (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2019 OP
History will judge? Dorian Gray Sep 2019 #1
Power in numbers/We the people bdamomma Sep 2019 #2
Got my vote FOR SURE! bluestarone Sep 2019 #3
History will judge all of us for this period. Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #4
Answer, NO,TRUMP has NOT STARTED A WAR that killed tens of thousands over a lie. Stuart G Sep 2019 #5
Give him time Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #13
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #6
Screw history if it doesn't condemn all the other republican politicians unblock Sep 2019 #7
Very well said...I agree. Other powerful politicians knew he was a, "sick f*ck Stuart G Sep 2019 #8
Except history does not work that way as historians know. former9thward Sep 2019 #9
In 2018, the American Political Science Assoc judged trump to be the 44th best president in history Poiuyt Sep 2019 #10
I disagree with Association. Killing is worse than being a stupid F**k Up. Killing over a lie in.. Stuart G Sep 2019 #11
Until he starts a war that kills hundreds of thousands... Polybius Sep 2019 #12
History is a list of stuff that is set in stone and can never be fixed. FiveGoodMen Sep 2019 #14
Google presidents ranked...large poll by two professors. Karadeniz Sep 2019 #15
call it what it is: TREASON Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #16
Low-life scumbag has no business near the White House. dalton99a Sep 2019 #17
If he's not remembered that way then I have misjudged what America is supposed to be. NCLefty Sep 2019 #18
And the GOP and the republicans that supported tRump regardless were a cult of traitors ffr Sep 2019 #19
I think he will be the last president. roamer65 Sep 2019 #20

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
4. History will judge all of us for this period.
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 08:47 PM
Sep 2019

If we make it through, it will be called our maturing moment. If we don't make it through, history will speculate that our indulgences lead to our downfall. America had it all but was still bitter, historians will write.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
5. Answer, NO,TRUMP has NOT STARTED A WAR that killed tens of thousands over a lie.
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 08:48 PM
Sep 2019

.. .something about.. "weapons of mass destruction" (and injured tens of thousands more)

unblock

(52,195 posts)
7. Screw history if it doesn't condemn all the other republican politicians
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:12 PM
Sep 2019

It's one thing for one person to be a sick f*ck and completely the wrong person for the job.

It's another thing for every other politician in that party to say we don't care, we're not even going to replace him with another member of our own party, we're sticking with the sick f*ck.

While I loathe Donnie as president, really who can blame him for wanting to become president? And the reality is that people like that are going to cheat if they are surrounded by enablers.

It's foxnews, hate radio, right-wing billionaires, and republican politicians who are the ones who should have and should now know better.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
8. Very well said...I agree. Other powerful politicians knew he was a, "sick f*ck
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:16 PM
Sep 2019

..Did Mr. Trump say something about grabbing a woman's pussy? publically? Did he say that? When?

Trump said that in 2005 in an interview that was heard by the country on October 6 - 10 2016...So, every single person who voted for him knew he was a "sick f*ck. (as well as people who knew about this and others who knew other sick f**k things he said and did.

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
9. Except history does not work that way as historians know.
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:19 PM
Sep 2019

You can find articles and books by credible historians for and against most U.S. presidents. The same will hold true for Trump. I know of no president that is treated like an angel by history.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
11. I disagree with Association. Killing is worse than being a stupid F**k Up. Killing over a lie in..
Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:32 PM
Sep 2019

order to start a useless war. And Bush started that war without getting absolute proof of those weapons of mass destruction. Think about that one? His Secretary of State is not heard about because of that lie. A lie that killed thousands..
....Not a pen mark that looks stupid on a map. The f**ken Association has got their values mixed up. One more point. Bush gives very few interview because I read he doesn't want to be questioned about his lie that killed thousands

...Bush is a quiet recluse. He will give a short speech for a couple hundred thousand dollars, but few if no interviews. I read he does not want questions on the start of the war, so few if no interviews.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
16. call it what it is: TREASON
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 12:39 AM
Sep 2019

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii#section3


Here's the part that nails that thing in our White House: "or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort". You can find many, many "overt act[s]" he has committed to aid enemies of the U.S. just by reading the news since inauguration day.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
19. And the GOP and the republicans that supported tRump regardless were a cult of traitors
Tue Sep 10, 2019, 01:20 AM
Sep 2019

No other way to see it, in my opinion.

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