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Nancy is NOT playing (Original Post) Soph0571 Sep 2019 OP
Game, Set, Match Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #1
She needs to do this more. hlthe2b Sep 2019 #4
Or, "Game, Set, Mitch"! Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2019 #43
If we're totally honest.... lindysalsagal Sep 2019 #2
I believe she and the House Dems are in the process of impeachment. Check out the rules they are diane in sf Sep 2019 #3
She's not really involved in that. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #53
Lol StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #54
Has she said they are moving on impeachment? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #55
Who cares whether she says it or not? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #58
No, perception is what matters. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #64
No. What actually happens is what matters StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #65
"And I also know that no matter what Pelosi says, she'll be attacked" Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #66
I'm not talking about attacks from the GOP. She's constantly attacked right in this forum. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #67
It's the same calculus. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #68
So they impeach, and they can't get any witnesses to appear, because the White House continues to OnDoutside Sep 2019 #5
Shh. The people criticizing Pelosi haven't thought it through that far. EffieBlack Sep 2019 #17
Yes, I've heard that impeachment is the answer to all ills in this administration. ehrnst Sep 2019 #28
;) sheshe2 Sep 2019 #31
This mcar Sep 2019 #36
+1,000 StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #42
Sorry to toot my own horn... Cetacea Sep 2019 #52
It's the smart move EffieBlack Sep 2019 #62
Fuck 'em. Get the documents by hook or by crook and read them on TV. lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #32
And where would they get those documents ? OnDoutside Sep 2019 #51
what has that got to do with Mcconnell not doing the job of passing legislation which the house HAS JI7 Sep 2019 #14
+1 happy feet Sep 2019 #16
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #27
Precisely. VOX Sep 2019 #61
C'mon, do something... anything! GilmourtheCat22 Sep 2019 #20
The only people who matter are Bettie Sep 2019 #21
Yeah, I totally got "STATUS QUO! FOREVER!" from Pelosi in the video in the OP... ehrnst Sep 2019 #26
Did you watch the video? You thought that was "singing folk songs?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #25
"C'mon, do something... anything!" Isn't that what the reporter was saying about Congress? ehrnst Sep 2019 #29
Welcome to DU! IronLionZion Sep 2019 #30
What does any of that have to do with the OP? Phoenix61 Sep 2019 #35
"To someone with only a hammer for a tool... ehrnst Sep 2019 #41
Don't forget some SHARPLY WORDED LETTERS! BamaRefugee Sep 2019 #60
Because that has to do with getting effective gun safety legislation passed? ehrnst Sep 2019 #23
I hope we all understand she can't impeach, the Speaker of the House doesn't have that authority. CaptainTruth Sep 2019 #48
It's only "curious" because you don't understand how things really work on the Hill StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #49
K&R betsuni Sep 2019 #6
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #7
It sounds like you just described Moscow Mitch and the Repubs. mfcorey1 Sep 2019 #9
WTF? rurallib Sep 2019 #11
Love It! Roy Rolling Sep 2019 #8
She's the best at what she does, no question. Ramsey Barner Sep 2019 #10
K&R PunkinPi Sep 2019 #12
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #13
That should be the standard question brutus smith Sep 2019 #15
+++++++++++ HAB911 Sep 2019 #18
So much for all this talk of her being "skittish" and "scared." ehrnst Sep 2019 #19
Boom goes the dynamite! Gawd, I just love her lark Sep 2019 #22
I trust her judgement implicitly. The hurry up and Impeach NoMoreRepugs Sep 2019 #24
Thank you Speaker Pelosi - that's exactly the correct tone FakeNoose Sep 2019 #33
Outstanding! CrispyQ Sep 2019 #34
It's said Speaker P can scald somebody without their knowing. This reporter *knew*. UTUSN Sep 2019 #37
Yep..Nancy's daughter.. asiliveandbreathe Sep 2019 #38
I love this woman!!!!! Desert Dem Sep 2019 #39
I love her! Dem_4_Life Sep 2019 #40
Yeah. The "Why Don't You Do Something?" sh** it getting real old (nt) stopdiggin Sep 2019 #44
Nancy Pelosi is amazing. PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #45
The reporter needs to be called out and identified. LiberalFighter Sep 2019 #46
Give them hell, Nancy! Niagara Sep 2019 #47
This is how any of us would react, because we're passionate about protecting Americans ffr Sep 2019 #50
Speaker Pelosi is amazing Gothmog Sep 2019 #56
Every Democratic elected official homegirl Sep 2019 #57
+1Daaaauuuuuummmmmm! ewagner Sep 2019 #59
Reporter: "Gotcha!" Pelosi: "You got NUTHIN' !!" DFW Sep 2019 #63

lindysalsagal

(20,676 posts)
2. If we're totally honest....
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:22 AM
Sep 2019

She has not impeached. Just using foreign aid to Ukrain to force them to get oppo research on Biden is impeachable, and there's video.

She needs to impeach.

diane in sf

(3,913 posts)
3. I believe she and the House Dems are in the process of impeachment. Check out the rules they are
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:38 AM
Sep 2019

setting in place for their investigation interrogations a la Watergate. They are setting up their timing and approach to maximally F up tRump’s re-election attempt. They can expose his massive criminality and Russian control, but they can’t force him out of office without cooperation from the criminal Republican Senate. They may be working on digging up enough dirt to force their hands. And of course many of the Congressional Repugs have been taking money from Russian oligarchs through the NRA and directly. So hopefully a whole bunch of these criminals can be ousted. Really the whole Republican Party needs to be ended along with their funders and propaganda organs, like fox.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
53. She's not really involved in that.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:25 PM
Sep 2019

At least not publicly.

Which makes her public stance of reservation kind of pointless. As long as this group of Democrats is proceeding with impeachment inquiries, the GOP is going to like impeachment is inevitable and underway. We're going to suffer the political consequences of impeachment without actually committing to it.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
54. Lol
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:33 PM
Sep 2019

When they weren't impeaching, it was all her doing. Now that they're moving on impeachment, "she's not really involved in that."

Okaaayy.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
58. Who cares whether she says it or not?
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 05:10 PM
Sep 2019

They're doing it. That's what matters.

Impeachment doesn't depend on the Speaker of the House saying any magic words in order to initiate it.

Arguing that it doesn't count unless the Speaker says it, while ignoring all of the actual activity taking place - including the court filings drafted, signed and argued by the House attorneys who report directly to her - is just goal-post transporting that seems to be intended to continue criticizing the Speaker while refusing to give her any credit at all for doing exactly what those criticizing her have been demanding up until now.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
64. No, perception is what matters.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:04 AM
Sep 2019

When the initiative moves without the explicit support of the most senior Democrat in the House, we send a mixed message about our commitment to impeachment. One that the GOP will be more than happy to exploit.

If you don't agree, that's great, but I don't understand why this concern is being dismissed out of hand as an excuse to criticize Nancy Pelosi.



 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
65. No. What actually happens is what matters
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:11 AM
Sep 2019

And I also know that no matter what Pelosi says, she'll be attacked. I can only imagine what people were saying if Pelosi was talking a lot of shish but the Judiciary Committee wasn't doing anything - I doubt she'd be getting any credit for saying the right things and giving the right "perception."

I don't need the Speaker of the House to read from a script to keep me happy. I need the Judiciary Committee to DO just what it's doing. I don't care what Pelosi is saying about impeachment in public statements. I care that she's obviously telling Nadler to "go for it."

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
66. "And I also know that no matter what Pelosi says, she'll be attacked"
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:17 AM
Sep 2019

That's exactly my point. The GOP is going to attack her for the impeachment effort regardless of whether she endorses it, so what does she have to gain by not endorsing it?

I don't need the Speaker of the House to read from a script to keep me happy.


That's great, man. Neither do I. But we're ostensibly intelligent people. What about the broader electorate?
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
67. I'm not talking about attacks from the GOP. She's constantly attacked right in this forum.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:21 AM
Sep 2019

Most of the broader electorate also doesn't give two hoots about whether Nancy Pelosi says it or not. Pelosi saying the magic words is primarily an obsession of the media looking for red meat and Democrats more concerned about being told what they want to hear than actually having a process that moves impeachment forward.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
68. It's the same calculus.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:53 AM
Sep 2019

If 1) a significant sampling of Democrats want Nancy Pelosi to explicitly back impeachment efforts, and 2) the broader public doesn't care either way, then what is there to lose by not explicitly backing impeachment?

Because the math suggests a net benefit. Whether they're right or wrong, those demanding Pelosi speak up will be satisfied. And since most people don't care, and the Republicans will attack anyway, there's no associated cost.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
5. So they impeach, and they can't get any witnesses to appear, because the White House continues to
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:56 AM
Sep 2019

block their co-operation, what then ?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. Shh. The people criticizing Pelosi haven't thought it through that far.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:28 AM
Sep 2019

They believe that if Pelosi simply comes out and says “We’re gonna impeach the mother fucker,” the skies will open and the White House will shiver and quake, and Trump and his henchmen will show up to testify, documents in hand. Because impeachment has more clout or something like that.

Check that. Some of them have thought it through and don’t really believe that. They just want to go after Pelosi and will attack her no matter what she does. They’re the same people who trashed her in 2018 and demanded she not run for Speaker because she’s too old or or has been around too long or too “divisive” or “controversial.”

Now, they (or the people whose bidding they’re doing on DU) are pissed that she’s still there and kicking ass, so they’re coming at her from a different direction. The pivot they’ve made on her about impeachment - blaming her for blocking it and now that it’s happening, giving her no credit for it moving forward - is so obvious and ham-handed, it’s laughable.

But it’s not going to work. Nancy’s not having it and she’s not going anywhere.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. Yes, I've heard that impeachment is the answer to all ills in this administration.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:13 AM
Sep 2019

And should it fail to remedy them, we all know that it will be Speaker Pelosi's fault because REASONS!

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
52. Sorry to toot my own horn...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:18 PM
Sep 2019

..but I always thought that they should hold back until the final stretch. I must say my political instincts are nearly impeccable...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
32. Fuck 'em. Get the documents by hook or by crook and read them on TV.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:31 AM
Sep 2019

Haul in less-protected witnesses and get them to destroy the privileged ones.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
14. what has that got to do with Mcconnell not doing the job of passing legislation which the house HAS
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:10 AM
Sep 2019

passed ?

the media is trying to blame Pelosi and democrats for things not getting passed which would help the people . Pelosi is responding to those lies by saying the house DID pass bills which would help the people. it's the senate with mcconnell which has not done it and stopping these things from getting done.

GilmourtheCat22

(3 posts)
20. C'mon, do something... anything!
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:40 AM
Sep 2019

Don't worry. I'm sure that any day now she'll have a presser and Express her concern and disappointment with the president. So that will teach him.

I wish she would think about doing what a rep controlled house of representatives would do if it was a democratic president that had a slight whiff of scandal and corruption about them like this one does.

How about throwing some red meat to the democratic base for a change instead of fretting about about the lack of civility and bipartisanship in Congress. If she wants to have team building exercise and sing folk songs around a camp fire with the bad guys that's her business. Right now she has a historically unpopular and corrupt president and she should at the very least be loudly reminding the American people of this everyday.

Bettie

(16,091 posts)
21. The only people who matter are
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:57 AM
Sep 2019

"moderates". Those of us who want something more than an occasional harsh word or two and some concern are "leftists" who don't matter.

Remember how Republicans started winning elections by moving toward the center and being more moderate? Nah, I don't either, but hey, I'm told that is what our party needs to do...leave the lefties behind and be the party of the middle and only the middle, because "STATUS QUO! FOREVER!" is a super message!

Oh and lest I forget....

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. Did you watch the video? You thought that was "singing folk songs?"
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:07 AM
Sep 2019

Also, I'm not sure about what in the House Speaker's job description includes "throwing red meat to the Democrat base."

I guess all those Democratic reps we have can't be expected to do that in their districts? Ted Lieu is just sitting there twiddling his thumbs, I guess...

Funny how this wasn't ever demanded of previous Dem House Speakers. Why Her all of the sudden?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. "C'mon, do something... anything!" Isn't that what the reporter was saying about Congress?
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:14 AM
Sep 2019

Perhaps you should watch the video before repeating the same "silliness" as Pelosi pointed out it is.



Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
35. What does any of that have to do with the OP?
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:50 AM
Sep 2019

She is doing her job in a very difficult situation. She has a lot more information than we have and I trust her to make good decisions based on that information.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. "To someone with only a hammer for a tool...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:56 AM
Sep 2019

everything looks like a nail."

Seeing a lot of that lately. Thanks for articulating it.





BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
60. Don't forget some SHARPLY WORDED LETTERS!
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:40 PM
Sep 2019

Those have struck fear into Rethuglican hearts since...um...since...ahh fuck it

CaptainTruth

(6,589 posts)
48. I hope we all understand she can't impeach, the Speaker of the House doesn't have that authority.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:59 PM
Sep 2019

She doesn't even have the authority to initiate an impeachment inquiry, although the Chair of House Judiciary (Nadler) does.

Yet everyone bashes Pelosi while remaining silent about Nadler.

I find that curious.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
49. It's only "curious" because you don't understand how things really work on the Hill
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:15 PM
Sep 2019

In reality, the skill required to persuade and cajole enough of the Caucus to voting with her on a close vote on a bill that's on or almost on the floor is exactly the same skill needed to force 100 or so Members to vote for something that they clearly aren't ready to support.

AND the fact an impeachment inquiry hadn't been opened was proof positive that not only did she refuse to use her immense and magical powers of persuasion to force more than half the Caucus do something they didn't want to do but is also further proof that she doesn't think Trump should be impeached

BUT when an impeachment inquiry was opened, that is proof that the Judiciary Committee Members, who a few weeks ago were so frightened of her they couldn't do anything are now openly defying her by opening an impeachment inquiry because, suddenly, no one around there gives a hoot what Pelosi thinks.

Understand now? I didn't know any of this, but several keyboard quarterbacks on DU have schooled me about how all this works, so I'm sharing my newfound knowledge with you.

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
11. WTF?
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:47 AM
Sep 2019

The House passed major pieces of legislation that McConnell is sitting on reducing to do anything.

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
8. Love It!
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:15 AM
Sep 2019

Reject the stupid framing of the issue. Idiot reporters, they should at least know the process of the legislative branch before being credentialed to ask a question to the Speaker of the House.

Have they not at least seen “I’m Just a Bill” from Schoolhouse Rock?

She didn’t answer the question, she answered attack. She is the best at this legislating thing, soooo far ahead of the class.

Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
10. She's the best at what she does, no question.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:37 AM
Sep 2019

I go back and forth between immense respect for her abilities and accomplishments and frustration that she is dancing around the topic of impeachment while the edifice of democracy is crumbling around us into a pool of orange goo.

 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
15. That should be the standard question
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:19 AM
Sep 2019

Ask these reporters why don't you ask Moscow mitch, are you afraid?

lark

(23,094 posts)
22. Boom goes the dynamite! Gawd, I just love her
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:58 AM
Sep 2019

That was an absolutely perfect response - ask Mitch McConnell if he has any regrets about how many people died because he refuses to take action.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
34. Outstanding!
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:49 AM
Sep 2019

The reporter's answer: "But McConnell's a white, republican man. We don't question them!"

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
38. Yep..Nancy's daughter..
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:30 AM
Sep 2019

“She’ll cut your head off, and you won’t even know you’re bleeding. That’s all you need to know about her."

Niagara

(7,595 posts)
47. Give them hell, Nancy!
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

Nancy most likely knows exactly how much money the NRA has given Moscow Mitch to block gun violence prevention laws as well.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
50. This is how any of us would react, because we're passionate about protecting Americans
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:16 PM
Sep 2019

Republicans are only passionate about protecting the greedy.

homegirl

(1,428 posts)
57. Every Democratic elected official
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:56 PM
Sep 2019

should respond to the very first question asked in an interview with a concise version of Speaker Pelosi's statement. Maybe the media will acknowledge, loud and clear, that Mitch McConnell is a paid operative of Putin, just like Trump!

DFW

(54,358 posts)
63. Reporter: "Gotcha!" Pelosi: "You got NUTHIN' !!"
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:40 AM
Sep 2019

You'd think all these 2 bit journalist wannabes get their training at Fox Noise.

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