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Brother Buzz

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Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:34 PM Sep 2019

On this day in history 163 years ago

Mormons and Paiutes murder 120 emigrants at Mountain Meadows

Mormon guerillas, stoked by religious zeal and a deep resentment of decades of public abuse and federal interference, murder 120 emigrants at Mountain Meadows, Utah on September 11, 1857.

Although historical accounts differ, the conflict with the wagon train of emigrants from Missouri and Arkansas apparently began when the Mormons refused to sell the train any supplies. Some of the emigrants then began to commit minor depredations against Mormon fields, abuse the local Paiute Indians, and taunt the Mormons with reminders of how the Missourians had attacked and chased them out of that state during the 1830s. Angered by the emigrants’ abuse and fired by a zealous passion against the growing tide of invading gentiles, a group of Mormons guerillas from around Cedar City decided to take revenge. Cooperating with a group of Paiute Indians who had already attacked the train on their own initiative, the Mormon guerillas initially pretended to be protectors. The guerillas persuaded the emigrants that they had convinced the Paitues to let them go if they would surrender their arms and allow the Mormons to escort the wagon train through the territory. But as the train again moved forward under the Mormon escort, a guerilla leader gave a pre-arranged signal. The Mormons opened fire on the unarmed male emigrants, while the Paiutes reportedly murdered the women. Later accounts suggested that some Mormons had only fired in the air while others killed as few of the emigrants as they could. But when the shooting stopped in Mountain Meadows, 120 men and women were dead. Only 18 small children were spared.

As a direct result of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, the U.S. government demanded a new settlement from Brigham Young. In 1858, the Mormons agreed to accept a continued presence of federal troops and a Gentile governor for Utah Territory. No further significant Mormon-Gentile violence occurred, and the Latter Day Saints were thereafter largely left to govern themselves. But the era of complete Mormon domination of Utah ended as a result of the tragedy that day in Mountain Meadows.

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On this day in history 163 years ago (Original Post) Brother Buzz Sep 2019 OP
I often wonder what it must be like if one were on the outside of earth looking in. We must RKP5637 Sep 2019 #1
Yeah underpants Sep 2019 #3
OMG! Humanity at its best! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2019 #4
Good one.. pwb Sep 2019 #5
"the growing tide of invading gentiles" Croney Sep 2019 #2
'Gentile' is what Mormons call anyone who isn't Mormon. Aristus Sep 2019 #6
Thanks. Croney Sep 2019 #7
It originated with Orthodox Jews. Aristus Sep 2019 #8

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
1. I often wonder what it must be like if one were on the outside of earth looking in. We must
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:50 PM
Sep 2019

look like one disturbed bunch of critters on our little spinning ball of dirt killing off others. Scotty, "Force Shields Up!" Divert more power to the ship's shield!!! We're not sure what we are dealing with down there.

Croney

(4,656 posts)
2. "the growing tide of invading gentiles"
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:08 PM
Sep 2019

I looked it up and still don't understand the use of the word, since I've only heard it to mean non-Jewish.

Aristus

(66,284 posts)
8. It originated with Orthodox Jews.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:18 PM
Sep 2019

I never liked the term, because the connotation is less "people of a different faith" and more "Not us."

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