I was listening to "Coast to Coast" this morning. The Truthers are still out there.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

9-11 Truth Movement / Alien Experiencers

DATE
Wednesday - September 11, 2019
HOST
George Noory
GUESTS
Richard Gage, Kathleen Marden

SF Bay Area architect Richard Gage is the founder of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. In the first half, he discussed his ongoing work examining the destruction of the three World Trade Center high rises on 9-11, and why more than 700 architects and engineers are calling for a new investigation to determine if forces beyond aircraft and jet fuel were used to destroy buildings on that fateful day in 2001. Recently, Fire Commissioners in an adjacent New York City area became the first legislative body in the US to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9-11, he announced. Gage has concluded that a "false flag" scenario was taking place during the attacks on the Twin Towers; and the evidence shows that demolition devices were planted in the buildings, and it was these that brought them down rather than the impact of the plane crash and subsequent fires.

Particularly, the collapse of Building 7 in the afternoon of 9-11 was suspicious, he said, noting how the 47-story high rise "dropped like a rock straight down uniformly [and] symmetrically into its own footprint in under seven seconds." In the two taller towers, there were explosions taking place as much as 60 floors below the initial zone of destruction, he stated. These isolated explosive ejections (said to be visible on video documentation) are known as "squibs" in the controlled demolition industry, he added, indicating they were pre-placed in the building. Further, the signature component of the "WTC dust" is residue from molten iron created in extreme heat-- such as in a thermite explosion, he cited. Gage also reported that "seismic events" were recorded in the area by an earth observatory both several seconds before the planes hit, and before the debris hit the ground from the towers.

And then it was off to alien abductions.

[PCIntern]

1. I understand...

Please explain to me how WTC 7 collapsed when no plane hit it. I truly want an answer that makes sense. I thank you in advance.

[Aristus]

6. When two of the largest buildings on the planet collapse in the same vicinity,

is it out of the realm of possibility that it was their collapse that triggered its own?

Or was it chem trails?

Thimerosol?

Sasquatch?

[Iwasthere]

12. Yes, it is certainly out of the realm of possibility. Think about it.

Perhaps a seismic event could cause it to fall, but drop down in it's footprint, in 7 seconds? Think about it!

[Aristus]

13. The buildings collapsed in their own footprints.

But don't forget, two planes crashed into the WTC and exploded, sending flaming debris everywhere. It would be a little ridiculous if someone were able to state that "no other buildings were harmed in the commission of this terrorist attack." Now, THAT I might have thought suspicious.

And you don't think that that itself wouldn't have come under scrutiny?

"That's right, Tom: WTC 7 did not collapse, despite two of the tallest buildings in the world collapsing mere yards away. It's very suspicious, Tom. There might be more to this than meets the eye."

The point is, conspiracy theorists see exactly what they want to see.

[Rustynaerduwell]

15. I believe we weren't told the truth about what happened on 9/11

What the hell does that have to do with Thimerosol or sasquatch or aliens or a flat earth? I hate that kind of response to thoughtful questions regarding inconsistencies- and there are too many to enumerate here- in the "official story".

[Aristus]

18. It's all the same thing: conspiracy theory nonsense.

Don't get me wrong; I understand the allure of the conspiracy theory. That feeling you get when you say to someone: "I know something you don't know" The feeling that you're the only informed human being in a meadow filled with sheep. The relief that comes with being able to explain away anything that doesn't seem to make sense as a Deep State Illuminati conspiracy.

The problem is, conspiracy theories unsubstantiated with evidence and supported only by conjecture tend to detract from informed investigation and reasoned examination. Believing that a sinister government cabal blew up WTC 7 under cover of an actual terrorist attack for no other reason than to set tongues wagging is just contributing to the ever-growing problem of a poorly-informed public.

You're not the first person to express 'thoughtful' concern...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

46. I think the Bush administration was unduly elusive about the truth about 9-11.....

...in the hopes that wild conspiracy theories would sprout up like mushrooms and marginalize people by association who might have legitimate questions about their handling of pre 9-11 intelligence and certain conflicts of interests some administration members (cough cough Cheney) might have had with certain people who in turn had ties other certain people in Al Qaeda.

It actually worked rather well.

[Ptah]

17. Debris from Tower 1 damaged WTC 7, causing fires and structural damage.

[hatrack]

20. And it burned all day long, and collapsed about eight hours after the first attack

Oh, yes, but explosive charges planted at all the key structural points, that's the ticket!!!

[Archae]

35. Yes, they DO.

Here in Sheboygan a brick building had an internal fire, that weakened, (did NOT melt!) the internal steel supports.

And this was a rather tall building too.

During the fire, most of the building collapsed.

Afterwards, less than 10% stayed standing.

"Loose Change" is a joke.

Several wack jobs who have their "conspiracy."

I realize the facts throw a big damper on your wild stories, but that's what facts do.

Building 7 was critically damaged by the collapse of the twin towers, and later fell.

PERIOD.

[Archae]

50. Alex Jones claims 9-11 was a "false flag."

Other groups say "the Jews" did it.

These are opinions, too.

[hack89]

39. Because a shit ton of burning debris fell on it

Tore a 20 floor gouge out of it and started fires that burned unfought for hours

[Tommy_Carcetti]

45. If the debris from one of the main towers fell upon it....

....I could imagine there being a serious compromise in structural integrity.

At least, that's what I understand of it.

I mean, we're talking about tons and tons of steel and other materials.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

51. Apparently that building was heavily damaged

by everything that was going around it. I believe I've seen a photo of the other side of it that shows it extremely damaged. People always show what looks like a pristine building suddenly collapsing, when that wasn't the case at all.

[VMA131Marine]

58. There was a significant fire in WTC 7

and there was no one to fight it. As it burned, it weakened the structure until it collapsed.

This is not rocket science.

[Docreed2003]

59. +1

[ffr]

2. So. Stop tuning in.

Weirdos will always be there. Don't repeat their message, drown it.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

4. I know; I know. I have tinnitus, so I leave the radio on at night.

WGY was coming in super strong, so it won by default.

[Archae]

36. Noory is pissing on Art Bell's grave.

Bell's show could be fun, at times.

(His promotion of Gary North withstanding...)

Noory lets right-wing wack jobs up the wazoo on, Jerome Corsi has been given air time a number of times.

[RKP5637]

60. Art Bell was great, I listen to his old shows from time-to-time. I never listen to Noory. n/t

[Revanchist]

3. What, no shadow people, remote viewing, or stargates? The show has gone downhill

For those who are wondering what the hell I'm talking about, we once had coast to coast on at work one night and the guest was claiming that the real reason we invaded Iraq was Saddam Hussein had a Stargate.

[happybird]

5. My fav was about Obama living on a Mars colony

back in his college years. They were dead freaking serious. Said he went by Barry Sotero back then.

I loved listening to Art Bell; Norry is a moron.

[Liberal In Texas]

16. I read someplace that Art Bell didn't like Noory much

and was sorry he took over the show he founded.

[happybird]

22. That wouldn't surprise me a bit.

I liked how Art would call bs on his really wacky guests, or delicately (or sarcastically, but somehow nicely) question their legitimacy and/or sanity. Noory never does. He lets the nuttiest of outlandish nuts yammer on and on, and then agrees with them. Then there's all the scam dietary crap Noory was promoting. That's when we gave up and stopped listening.

I miss Art. His shows were always highly entertaining. He's certainly one of a kind.

[awesomerwb1]

31. That's a great summary

My thoughts exactly. Noory is awful, I stopped listening shortly after he took over for Art (I suffer from insomnia).

Art was great entertainment plus he had some great guests. Legit guests like Michio Kaku.

[RKP5637]

61. Same here!!! "I loved listening to Art Bell; Norry is a moron." n/t

[calguy]

7. I liked listening to Coast to Coast

I used to listen to it on my 30 minute commute home every night at 11:30. I haven't listened in a long while since the station I listened to stopped broadcasting it. George Noory always had the most far out conspiracy theorists promoting every weird idea out there. I found it very entertaining to say the least. I never ever came close to believing anyone of them, but I was impressed by the honest sincerity of so many of the whachos he had on. It was a reminder if how people can be so easily drawn into the most absurd beliefs based on only what someone else tells them. Helps me to understand why so many fell into trump's absurd ideas and policies.

[Initech]

8. Coast To Coast AM is where you go if you really want to get a look in the mind of a crackpot.

[Brother Buzz]

10. And it's entertaining as Hell listening to

I have fun punching holes in their wacko theories and bad science as I fall asleep

[Initech]

11. Every time I listen I always have the same thought: "These people exist!".

And they actually believe this shit!

[RKP5637]

62. That, is the scary part! They are dead serious and usually totally off the wall.

[happybird]

19. We used to listen to it while falling asleep, too

The downside was every morning when I woke up, it was to the vile spewing of Laura Ingraham on the same channel. Ugh. Not a pleasant way to start the day, that's for sure. But it did get my blood boiling and helped to launch me out of bed, lol!

[Brother Buzz]

23. Ah, but my wife is really good about that.....

Sometime during the night our radio gets tuned to something more appealing; I wake up hearing NPR, and our local affiliate seems to be front loaded with a wonderfully engaging BBC feed.

[louis-t]

9. I used to listen to Larry King late at night on the way home from gigs.

He made me so mad being rude to callers that it kept me awake.

[juxtaposed]

14. AM Coast to Coast is a sock puppet to keep an eye on all the freaks of this nation.

[struggle4progress]

21. "Be sure to buy my new book: 'Where was Sasquatch on 9/11?'"

[Brother Buzz]

24. Listening to Coast to Coast

[librechik]

25. Oh dear--There's a video?

worst earworm ever!

[Brother Buzz]

28. What ever you do DON'T play it backwards!

[FoxNewsSucks]

29. I have never believed the "Official Story"

of 9-11. Why would anyone? If true, that would be the ONLY thing the lying criminal BushCheney administration told the truth about.

Really? Think about that for a minute. Those pieces of shit lied about everything else, but were right about 9-11? No way.

I don't know for sure what did happen, but the one thing I know is that the BushCheneyCo version is almost certainly a complete lie and coverup.

But the ape hand in closet thing, and other things from Coast to Coast, I think that's just ridiculous stuff to discredit actual valid things like 9-11 Truth.

I haven't listened to Coast-to-Coast for many years, fortunately I'm now asleep when it's on. It's entertaining, but mostly silly.

[Archae]

37. So precisely what DO you think happened?

Missiles that had holograms of airliners?

"Nano-thermite?"

Demolition crews brought down the towers?

Here's what IS real.

The CIA and the FBI could have nipped the whole thing in the bud, due to the big mouth in the ranks of the hijackers, had they been interested in the reports instead of protecting their turf.

The steel support beams of the buildings were not "melted."
They softened and gave way due to the jet fuel fire.

It was not a truck bomb at the Pentagon, a jetliner was deliberately crashed into the building.

[ScratchCat]

40. Here is something to consider

"It was not a truck bomb at the Pentagon, a jetliner was deliberately crashed into the building."

Weird enough, on the morning of September 11, 2001, I read on Yahoo News the following headline: "Car bomb explodes outside Pentagon". I was obviously not the only one who read this before they deleted it. Further, I know for a fact that I heard with my own ears on MSNBC on April 19th, 1995 that "they have found two more unexploded bombs in the Murah Building" only to have them never state it again or retract it. I heard it; my mom heard it; other friends heard it. A fertilizer bomb didn't take that building down - C4 attached to structural members did.

In addition, think about this: How did a person with virtually no air flight experience direct a jet liner to hit the Pentagon at that angle without touching the ground? Without ever having flown such a mission? He got lucky? Beginners luck? And not one picture of the plane in the air, descending or anything? And it coincidentally hit an area already "under renovation"?

I don't know what happened either, but I am confident its not what they told us.

[Archae]

48. Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

In Oklahoma City there was ONE bomb.

The story about the "truck bomb" at the Pentagon was a story that was reported early, all, and I do mean ALL the witnesses to the Pentagon explosion saw a plane.

The outside cameras showed a plane.

The "truck bomb" story was pushed by a French conspiracy theorist.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/911-pentagon-attack/

Oh but now Snopes is just "Part of the conspiracy!"

You're full of it.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

54. There were also reports midmorning

of "multiple fires on the Mall". I kept on yelling at the reporter in DC to walk the two or three blocks needed (because I knew exactly where he was standing, and take an actual look at the Mall.

Early reports of any major breaking story are invariably rife with errors.

All the 9-11 hijackers had to do was aim the planes. The twin towers were tall and remarkably easy to see. The Pentagon, while relatively low, was an easily visible target.

And it's not that surprising that there are no photos of the plane that hit the Pentagon. Not that many people have their camcorders or cell phones pointed at the sky at any given time. There's almost no footage of the first plane hitting the WTC in New York, either. I believe there are exactly two videos.

As for the Pentagon plane, hundreds of people saw it crash into that building.

[happybird]

57. Plenty of regular people sitting in traffic saw the plane

I live in the DC area and there were multiple interviews with commuters on the local news stations while everyone was trying to figure out was going on. I remember it clearly- people on the side of the road, shellshocked and excited, talking about how loud and low the plane was.

[lame54]

63. Thank you thank you thank you...

I'm an not a conspiracist
Ive never gone down that rabbit hole

But
For the life of me I can't figure out why people are so adamant about defending the " official story" that was immediately fed to us by people who lied to us every day since then

[Bradshaw3]

30. A CIA that couldn't even predict the collapse of the Soviet Union ran a perfectly executed ...

.. false flag operation that included Islamic terrorists and brought down buildings and killed dozens of federal workers and thousands of innocents? They mean that CIA? Or some other deep state entity is that brilliant in its planning and execution? I could list all of the things the CIA and other agencies have screwed up over the years but the list would be too long to fit here. How moronic.

[awesomerwb1]

32. Has it ever ocurred to you

that they could've hired the same company that faked the moon landings?

[Bradshaw3]

33. By jove man you've done it!

The true explanation for the two greatest hoaxes in the history of man. Book deal.

[awesomerwb1]

34. One thing though

I cAnnot and will not reveal the name of the ultra secret CoMpany. Ever.

[Bradshaw3]

64. Ha

[maxsolomon]

41. FFS, I'm an Architect

In 2002, we had a presentation at work by Skilling Ward Magnusson, who engineered the WTC, and they explained exactly how the collapse occurred. I've seen the same explanation in newspapers and magazines.

OBL understood the WTC structural system and how it could be compromised by the jet fuel fires.

All conspiracy theories are bullshit.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

42. The Lehigh University Fall 2002 Alumni magazine had some engineering-oriented articles

about the WTC collapse. I did not go to Lehigh; I found the magazine in someone's trash and looked at the articles.

A civil engineering professor at Lehigh was involved in the investigation of the collapse. I gather that during the design of the WTC, thought was given to what would happen should a Boeing 707 fly into the buildings at a particular speed. It seems that a plane with this much fuel was beyond anyone's expectations.

This is not that article, but John Fisher was the professor involved.

Lehigh News

Lehigh expert says: World Trade Center collapsed under intense heat

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) announced the results and recommendations of their investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center. Lehigh expert John Fisher was one of the report's authors.

Fisher, professor of civil engineering and co-director of the Engineering Research Center for Advanced Technology for Large Structural Systems (ATLSS) at Lehigh University, is one of the members of the panel that prepared the FEMA and ASCE report. He also was involved in the original design of the towers.

Comparing the impact of the planes hitting the towers with an atomic blast, Fisher says no building can be designed to withstand such an impact and ensuing heat from the jet fuel. The impact and heat were orders of magnitude larger than anything in history. We can design buildings to better withstand lesser impacts from smaller aircraft, and certain types explosions and fires, he says. We have always learned from failures, and we'll learn quite a lot from this one. But it is impractical to build a structure to sustain the kind of load and heat that hit the towers.
....

NIST Response to the World Trade Center Disaster

I can't find back issues older than 2014:

Lehigh Bulletin back issues

[maxsolomon]

43. Pretty much that.

The volume of jet fuel was such that the fire was sustained enough and hot enough to compromise the steel bearing curtain walls, which were fairly unique in skyscraper design.

Yamasaki did a few other buildings using the same system, but not as tall, of course.

[Brother Buzz]

49. This 2019 study from The University of Alaska is what they were using to validate the conspiracy

A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

Project Summary
This is a study of the collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC7) at 5:20 P.M. on September 11, 2001.

The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

The research team is currently organizing and uploading all of its data into a format that can be readily downloaded and used. We expect to post the data sometime between September 16 and September 30, 2019.

There will be a two-month public comment period from September 3 to November 1, 2019, with the final report will be released later this year. During this period, we welcome any and all members of the public to submit constructive comments intended to further the analyses and presentation of findings contained in the report. Designated reviewers external to UAF and Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will also review the report during this period. Commenters are asked to send their comments in an attached PDF or Word document to [e-mail]

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

Note: The review process is happening right now so I'm guessing engineers across the nation are sharpening their knives as I type.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

52. Over on the left hand side of the page:

Funding
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Project Budget: $316,153

[Brother Buzz]

56. And it looks like they got exactly what they paid for

I may be wrong, but I suspect we're going to hear more of this. 911 redux, Baby!

[NightWatcher]

44. Ah, the good old days when nuts were on AM radio, low freq, after midnight.

That's where that shit belongs.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. LOL My mom was a big listener of Coast to Coast

moreso when Art Bell was hosting. And that started after being a regular listener of Larry King when King had a graveyard show in the early '80s (but then Jim Bohannon was subbing more and more when King eventually got a CNN host job and tried to do both). She wasn't a fan of Noory either but still listened and I'd inevitably get a 11:30 pm phone call - "Turn on Coast to Coast!!!!!" from my night owl mom (where I am a robin and up early but am also a radio listener).

Haven't listened to it in years although did tune in every once in awhile to Art Bell's attempt to resurrect a show (on SiriusXM) after his return from the Philippines, where that pretty much failed, and his later attempts at streaming from his website just didn't garner the audience.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

55. I am flabbergasted by the "theory"

that says the WTC buildings were constructed with dynamite inside, just for such an event as what happened that September morning. Or that it was put in later.

Apparently, dynamite is incredibly unstable over time. And might either have gone off by itself at some point over the years, or would simply not be useful so much later.

[Archae]

65. The conspirators didn't use dynamite.

They used "nano-thermite," a substance made out of unobtanium, and available only from Area 51.



As you can guess, I know damn well the 9-11 conspiracy theories are absolute shit.

We do know that had the FBI and CIA been less interested in protecting their turf, and Bush and Cheney not ignored the Al-Qaeda memo, they could have stopped the whole thing or part of the whole plot, ahead of time.
They botched it, and then Bush and Cheney used 9-11 as a lie to invade Iraq and as a political football, especially at the 2004 Republican convention.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

66. Oh, how silly of me not

to realize that they'd use "nano-thermite".