PA Trump voter: "He pulled a Houdini on us, telling us what steelworkers wanted to hear!"

[Miles Archer]

John Golomb, a retired steel worker who backed the president in 2016 because of his promises to bring back good paying jobs to the Rust Belt, explained to CNN that Trump gave his community false hope about an economic revival during his first presidential campaign.

“We had Donald Trump come here and profess about reviving American steel,” he said. “That’s just what all of us steelworkers wanted to hear!”

In the nearly three years since the election, however, Golomb said he’s still waiting for Trump to fulfill his promises.

“When he was elected, he pulled a Houdini on us,” he said. “He disappeared.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/pennsylvania-trump-voter-shreds-president-for-breaking-promises-to-rust-belt-he-pulled-a-houdini-on-us/

[moose65]

1. No shit!

What I will never understand is why people believed Trump to start with. He is so obviously a con man and an asshole. I will never, ever get his so-called "appeal" to these people!

[BumRushDaShow]

4. It's because

he wasn't "Obama" or "Hillary". Hate to say but that was much of the thought process. Plus he appealed to these working class whites by the way he talked and dressed - basically an Archie Bunker with a suit and tie. And oddly enough, that was also partly why the NYC blue blood elite shunned him.

[Blue_true]

37. Yes, he appealed to their most vile instincts. nt

[Boomerproud]

93. Amen.

No empathy whatsoever from me for voting by hate instead of head and heart

[smirkymonkey]

5. Every single New Yorker knows that he is a liar and a con man because we are or have been

familiar with how he rolls. Which is why he did so poorly in his home town. I guess the rest of the country is finally figuring this out. Too late, apparently. If they vote for him again they will get exactly what they deserve.

[CrispyQ]

16. My right wing cousins recently said they hoped he came to his sense regarding the tariffs.

I laughed & said, "You do know that he's been called Don the Con for decades, now, don't you?"

[smirkymonkey]

19. The thing is that most New Yorkers knew him before he became a political figure, so

they were able to see him for who he was, however once he entered the political arena and put an (R) next to his name, the fools in the republican party were incapable of seeing him objectively. He was their man and could do no wrong because he was a "Republican". They are blind and stupid and they are suffering from the consequences of their willful ignorance now. They deserve everything that they are getting.

[CrispyQ]

22. I think lots of rural people only know him from that reality TV show he did.

I don't even know the name of it, but I'll bet a whole ton of them don't know that the Con bankrupted a casino. And a whole bunch of other businesses, but a casino!

[moose65]

30. Ya think?

I mean, he was famous before all of this, and he was a rich New Yorker with a foul mouth and no morals. Those things were pretty much widely known. I can't believe there were that many people who weren't familiar with him.

[CrispyQ]

36. I don't know that that was widely known in rural America.

???

At any rate, I forgot about the influence of Limbaugh & his ilk, lying assholes that they are, I'm sure they presented the Con as a successful businessman. Ignoring hate radio was one of the stupidest things the dems have ever done.

[JonLP24]

84. I'm not rural but I remember late night hosts making fun of Trump's hair in the 90s

I'm still shocked that same person is now President.

[brush]

39. Casinos. He bankrupted several casinos as he had a few in AC which were cannibalizing each other.

Ya don't get many prize morons like him.

[SharonAnn]

83. It's unbelievable, to bankrupt even 1 casino. But 3?

Nobody loses money owning a casino.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. He bankrupted all 3 casinos that he had in AC

The last one to go (formerly his Taj Mahal - cost $1 billion+ to build and sold for $50 million) is now a Hard Rock Hotel/Casino, which is doing well thanks to the sports book that is now legal! The only one who was willing (and able) to half bail him out was Carl Icahn.

[Blue_true]

40. In my opinion, what you should have said is, "wait until you help get him reelected, you haven't

seen anything yet. Go back and study his history on how he treated people that trusted him, it's not a pretty picture." Give them something to think about.

Our job is to make certain that he does not come close to reelection.

[ecstatic]

82. Uggh. I hate that he's associated with my

home town. NY was already being unfairly smeared by Palin, Cruz, and other rethugs before trump emerged.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. People cling to hope, and a good conman knows how to milk it...

Most people knew absolutely nothing about him except the TV Trump and maybe the book he didn't even write.

[johnnyfins]

41. He owns the librulz

owns em everyday. LOCK HER UP!!

[Wounded Bear]

2. Imagine that, a glorified used car salesman lied to them...

[Sneederbunk]

3. There's a sucker born every minute.

[Indykatie]

7. You're being kind calling them suckers. I have other names for them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Deplorables. Hillary was right.

[SMC22307]

69. FFS, they're American workers trying to hold onto their jobs.

We need Pennsylvania to win. Rather than call them names, figure out a way to get them back into the Democratic fold.

(Do people not understand the consequences if Donald Fucking Trump wins in 2020?)

[Skittles]

89. they helped to inflict DONALD FUCKING TRUMP on America

if they get grief because of it, SO BE IT

[SMC22307]

94. Yeah, go with that. We don't win without PA, MI and WI...

so the Democratic Party better start listening to them. Especially since we learned that AAs in the Philly area didn't vote in 2016 because they just weren't "excited" enough.

Steel and coal workers: The industries are not coming back.
Everyone else: Get over the need to have another "star" like Obama -- there won't be another Obama.

Just fucking vote, whether old, white dude, young gay male, middle-aged black woman, etc. This "identity" shit is killing us.

[Skittles]

95. we need to get out the vote

I refuse to coddle the people stupid enough to vote for a pussy-grabbing con man - they make me SICK

[SMC22307]

96. Addressing voters' concerns about employment -- livelihood -- is hardly "coddlng."

But yeah, go with that sure-fire loser.

We do have to GOTV and make sure voters understand they're voting for a president/public servant and not a freakin' rock star.

[Skittles]

97. Hillary addressed those concerns

they were too busy sucking up to a pussy-grabbing con man

OVER AND OUT

[NewJeffCT]

6. If you listen to Trump's rallies, though

he claims steel plants are opening up all over Pennsylvania and they're creating tons of new steel jobs.

[ReformedGOPer]

9. No kidding....

[PhoenixDem]

10. These same idiots thought he was a a great, successful businessman

because they saw him playing one on TV.

[Indykatie]

11. I'd Like to Read the Original Article but Refuse to Go to Rawstory for the Link.

That site is laden with ads and screws up my computer. I avoid it like the plague.

[Miles Archer]

14. Watch the YouTube clip. I just updated the OP to include it.

I'm lucky, I found a combination of ad blockers that deliver Raw Story to me "clean." But I did go through a spell where I was getting fed all kinds of crap, surgery photos and oozing lesions and things that simply should not be on that site. I posted the story because it really isn't an article, it's a transcription of the video. Because of the many complaints about Raw Story, I am trying to link to the original source instead when it is available, but in this case, they just transcribed the video.

[usaf-vet]

38. I agree! I use to check Rawstory everyday. Then the ads took over the space. Then a paywall.

On a retiree's pay, there is not enough $$$ to go around.

[intrepidity]

51. Try this

https://outline.com/BzN6kh

[Flaleftist]

12. Dear God! If only there was some way he could have known.

If only there was some kind of evidence in his past that Trump was a liar, scumbag conman.

[lame54]

17. Plus...

His world is so small and his vote so selfish

[Thomas Hurt]

13. Naw man you are just a sap

[eShirl]

15. I KNOW they're smarter than to take a politician at his word,

but that's what they did. Maybe they should ask themselves why.

[Initech]

18. Of course he did!

That's the art of the deal - tell you what you want to hear while screwing you behind your back, it's Chump's specialty! Now what did you learn?

[Caliman73]

20. It is difficult not to express frustration with people.

Easy to say, "Jesus dude, you are dumb" because a great many of us saw what Trump was as soon as her rode down the golden escalator with his paid for audience. Many people, especially those in New York, had him clocked way before then. Not many people took Trump seriously at first.

Desperation and anxiety will tend to diminish rational thought and skepticism. Steel workers have been hit hard for a long time because of the changes in the industry and because of unfair competition practices by China and other steel producers. Politicians regularly go to them and tell them how tough they have it and how they will do what they can to help, but the results are usually the same with not much changing.

Trump with his belligerent rhetoric and nationalism, appealed to people who are desperate and think that politicians largely ignored them. There is some validity to the "ignoring" thing as many politicians say, "we will help you" but are vague in how and typically haven't made the kind of effort to have an industrial policy that tries to balance the needs of workers and the market forces driving steel. Trump knows nothing about that and doesn't care to know. What he is good at is telling people, "Those other people are screwing you and I am the one who will fight the Chinese, who will fight the stupid government that tells us we can't pollute to make a buck." He tells people simple answers even though he never had any intention of doing anything for anyone but himself.

They believe it because they feel they have to believe it on the off chance that maybe something good will come from it. Sadly they are so totally wrong that you can't even put it into proper words. Hopefully they learn.

The other hope however, is that our candidates go in and tell the steel workers what can be done and actually follow through.

[Miles Archer]

26. He's a predator, they were prey

I don't fault them for that. Everyone has to believe in something. Sometimes the need for belief is so strong that people suspend judgement in hopes that their needs will be met, especially when someone campaigns and says "I will meet your needs," as Trump did. Lesson learned, but I agree with what you said. They made the mistake of trusting him, but in no way would I suggest that they "deserved" what they got in return. I would not say the same thing about Trump voters who got shanked and will vote for him again. Those folks are beyond redemption, and if a second scoop is what they need in order to learn, so be it. Hopefully that won't become an issue once we vote his ass out of office.

[moose65]

31. I think you nailed it

He knew exactly how to play them, and they fell for it. Even though I think deep down they realize he's full of shit.

[Blue_true]

50. In difficult times, the negative argument always tend to win.

President Obama slowed down their bleeding. Hillary had plans to help them moving forward. But Trump said "Obama failed you and Hillary will do the same thing", a negative argument that has no solutions with it, but unfortunately as we are seeing all over the world, that argument sells.

[Brawndo]

68. You don't fault them?

Just to show a few things they were aware of before casting their votes for tRump

Access Hollywood tape: "grab them by the pu**y"

On POWs: "I like people who weren't captured"

On Terrorists: "You have to take out their families"

On Hillary Clinton: "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know."

Inviting a hostile foreign power to engage in hacking: “Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing"

I could go on and on.

Anyone who voted for tRump lacks empathy, loyalty and humanity. They deserve this and far worse.

[Blue_true]

47. Follow through is important.

Robotics and Artificial Intelligence have changed the dynamic forever, and it will only get worse for workers of all types. That is a fact that our nominee must state clearly, without stepping on his or her foot like Hillary did in West Virginia. What has to be said must be thoughtout word by word and delivered the same way. Then our candidate must be willing to sit with those people in town halls and think through what can be done in the future, campaign aides MUST be taking notes or recording the meetings. Then when he or she wins the Presidency, our candidate must work his or her ass off to deliver for those people, going back regularly to see how things are going.

[Caliman73]

87. You are absolutely correct.

I think that many people in industries that are fading away because of market forces or advances, understand that but are hanging on to hope that something will happen. Our candidates need to develop that "something" and express it to those workers in a way that they understand that the power of government will be used to minimize disruption and help them adjust to the new reality. Hillary did mess up in her statement about coal, although it was blown way out of proportion the same way that President Obama's "guns and bibles" statement was.

[Blue_true]

88. Republicans ARE going to blow things out of proportion when our nominee speaks poorly.

That is what Republicans do, their tactics should be clear by now. That is why Joe Biden's gaffs are so worrisome to me, if we are on the defensive explaining some mis-stated thought, we are losing, the republican lie machine will make mincemeat of the mis-statement. Look, republicans know how to throw a rhetorical punch, we are good at stepping on our dicks, even when we are way way out front in being right about what was said. You only have to look at current never Trumpers like David Frum, Jennifer Rubin, Rick Wilson, and Anna Navarro to realize that those people know how to deliver an image changing blackeye, they will be against us again at some point in the future, we better learn how to get our rhetorical shit together.

As far as communities that technology has left behind, instead of putting jobs in already hot, high priced places like New York City and Seattle, move 25-50% of those jobs that can be done remotely to inner cities, post-industrial America and rural America, those economies would be boosted enormously by even a few good jobs coming there. Government can help with training people for the jobs and building infrastructure like state of the art broadband and good roads - maintenance of the infrastructure would create a second layer of jobs.

[Skittles]

90. I understand the part where they are afraid for their livelihoods

what I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND is how they could EVER have thought a PUSSY-GRABBING CON MAN was the answer

[Joe941]

21. Yet, come 2020 I bet he still votes for tRump.

[Whiskeytide]

58. And that's why I've lost ...

... patience and sympathy for such people. I use to try - very hard - to be understanding. But I’m failing in that effort now.

He now understands trump is a conman. Really? Good for him. Now he’ll lump him in with all politicians as guv’mint liars who cannot be trusted. But he still will NEVER vote for a woman, or a person of color, or a soshulist, or a guy who has “the gay”. Maybe - maybe - he just wont vote. And that is a plus. But I think he’s in a vast minority there. They will line up and fall in line. We have to GOTV.

[Tanuki]

23. There was once a credulous people....

"There was once a credulous people... who believed in Santa Claus. But Santa Claus was really... the gas man!"
(from The Tin Drum, by Gunther Grass)

[Maven]

24. Gosh, John, and he seemed so trustworthy before the election

FFS. These people.

[jayfish]

25. "You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns...

...in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -Barack Obama

[brush]

33. The country, economy changes. Small town businesses can't compete with big box stores and...

and online purchasing. Too bad but that way of life is long gone. Takes a long time for some to wake up.

[Blue_true]

54. You touched on a good point.

Why not an industrial policy that has an Amazon or the likes put some of the jobs that can be done remotely in places like that instead of places that are already red-hot economically, so much so that rents for everyone are out of control? The small towns benefit massively from even a relative few such jobs, 1,000 jobs in NYC does not make a dent, but in a small Pennsylvania town, they become an ultra-major economic engine.

[UpInArms]

78. 1000 jobs is half of the entire population in my county in NW Missouri

These peeps would fall down for 100 jobs and it would change the entire landscape

The cap factory (employed about 40) closed in the mid-90s ... outsourced to China ...

They voted 80% for trump

I tried to tell them ... but ... Benghazi... and the Blue Dress ... and evil democrats coming for their guns ... and aborting their babies ...

🤦🏽‍♀️

[Blue_true]

79. It would require focus on training, but if American companies

sent the software development jobs to small town instead of India or the Phillipines, it would help the country tremendously and help break the cycle of poverty in poor communities (urban and rural ones).

[UpInArms]

85. That, it would

I am weary of corporations wanting our business and outsourcing

[SMC22307]

70. Right. And Donald Trump swooped in and told him he was going to save them.

Democrats REALLY need to learn from this cuz we don't win 2020 without Pennsylvania.

[C_U_L8R]

27. Houdini?? He pulled a Trump on you.

[GoCubsGo]

28. File this under "No shit, Sherlock."

Anyone who has paid attention over the past thirty years knows that the man is full of shit. He's nothing but empty promises. Hope you learned your lesson, mister.

[Newest Reality]

29. Surprise!

Surprise, surprise, surprise, etc.

Vet your bets. A two-bit real estate shyster comes to town and you buy up all the snake oil. Now, you are supposed to run him out of town and toss the bottles at him, but, yeah, right. Maybe the new batch will do the trick? Ever heard of a hustler? No, not the magazine you dip!

For a small fee, I would be most happy to tell you anything you want to hear, anytime.

[moose65]

32. It's a cliche, but true

There are none so blind as those who will not see. They've convinced themselves that Trump is their savior, and nothing will change their minds. This guy will probably vote for Trump again!

[snort]

34. Moron

[Blue_true]

35. History repeats itself. Never trust a proven conman. nt

[Tiggeroshii]

42. Um. That wasnt a houdini

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2019, 03:56 PM - Edit history (1)

That was a fat man with a crooked wig ripping the table cloth with all of the food right with it. Ya still bought it.

[grantcart]

43. That's not a "Houdini"

Houdini said that he was going to disappear. He printed posters that he was going to disappear and gave interviews to the newspapers telling people he was going to disappear.

Then he disappeared.


Then he came back for the applause.


He did a snake oil grifter on your ass

[JHB]

44. Houdini debunked scam artists and never pretended he did anything but stage magic

What Trump did was more like the people who tell you they can speak to your dead relatives: they tell you what you really, really, deep-down want to hear but can't actually confirm independently, with a few other tricks to win your trust.

Trump hires guy to collect info from RW cable shows, radio, websites, including what's said by callers and the comments section.

Trump voter: "He's amazing! He says what I'm thinking!"

The neocons have practiced a similar trade. ("You're the one who's right! The Soviets are building up to strike at any time! Those peaceniks will just leave us wide open! Increase spending, don't hem yourself in with arms-control treaties, and you'll be the one who's right in the end." )

[Aristus]

45. "We were expecting good things from a sleazy New York real estate developer with a history

of bankruptcies and unpaid bills, and he let us down!"

Jesus, the stupid; it buuuuuuuuurns...

[47of74]

48. 47of74 to PA Trump Voter: Go fuck yourself

[OMGWTF]

49. Trump LIED and your dumbass fell for it. Thanks for nothing!

[Coventina]

53. No sympathy from me. Everyone with a brain was telling you what Trump was.

You decided to vote for a racist message.

Don't come crying to me.

[Pepsidog]

55. As Trump would say"Bringing steel jobs back is easy". These dummies believed him.

[Freethinker65]

56. And you and/or your gullible buddies will fall for it again

Trump will propose to tell them his fix for all that ails them will be revealed on day one of Trump's next term. Then they blissfully will vote for Trump again to keep what Trump calls the godless minority-loving babykilling gun grabbers out of office.

[mgardener]

57. I have no sympathy for these people

They got what they deserved. So did the farmers.
They wanted him, they got him.

[New Breed Leader]

64. yep

[Eyeball_Kid]

59. Doesn't anyone remember?

On the day after his election, Trumpy TOLD a rally audience that now that he is elected, HE DOESN’T need them, and that he’ll only need them again on the next Election Day. I was astonished, but more so because the media paid no attention and didn’t report it in the news. Stunning.

[LakeArenal]

60. Same with coal

Hillary told the truth and they hated her for it.
Steel workers should have known by the Wisconsin Right’s fight against unions.
The should have known but not only did Dump say what they wanted to hear, steelworkers, despite actions to the contrary, heard what they wanted to hear. Believed what they wanted to believe.

[The Liberal Lion]

61. As a former yinzer I'll tell you I can not understand how anyone in PA fell for the

"reviving the Steel Mills" crap. Since Reagan we've heard every fucking republican say the same gottdamn shit and the results are exactly the same.

[FiveGoodMen]

71. Short memories probably explain most of America's mistakes

[Goodheart]

63. No shit, dumbass. It was clear he is/was a liar and a moron, dumbass.

[turbinetree]

65. Every time a union remember backs a republican it is vile................in my opinion..........

(for a person that has been a union member for 45 years) when they (union member) pull's that level for a republican they must keep forgetting the Taft-Hartley Act, Wagner Act, the National Right to Work for Less agenda and the all time current ruling from the right wing worker friendly Roberts court, a favorite for all the anti-union right winger's............. Janus vs AFSCME.............. and then they wonder why union representation is going down........their jobs are being sold to the lowest bidder..........they put a republican president in the highest office and now a con man that is doubling as a traitor who just loves to fuck everyone over without any conscientiousness at all , and then to add further insult to the worker they put a right wing libertarian anti-union judge's on the bench...............................to go after them..............and then to top it all off they side step the fact that a person that admitted on tape that he just grabs woman and they see / hear the jerk's laugh about it...................and they still vote for what kind of principles.........................really..................what do you expect...........a tax cut.........they are going to get you a job and bring your job back..............really ............I know a job description....................wiping humble pie off your face ............................

[Eyeball_Kid]

72. Oxymoron: a Republican union member.

What utter fools. Every time, all the time.

[SCVDem]

66. Not sorry!

You and your racist ilk stuck us with a traitor.

I don't give a shit because I'm sure you were in all the libtards faces while you got your daily dose of Hannity, limp butt and the rest.

Your choice fucked up many lives and people are dead because you wanted to stick it to the Dems. You likely say democrat party.

Cry me a river!

[shanti]

67. No duh!

Gawd, I just can't with Trump's Chumps who think we should be using 19th century technology! And dude is STILL waiting for it! You can't fix stupid.

[DFW]

73. The biggest tragedy is that he is surprised

Are THAT many voters in our country THAT gullible?

(Don't bother answering that)

[ffr]

74. Reading between the lines, Hillary Clinton was 100% right and all conservatives were 100% wrong.

Glad they admit this, but it's too little too late. The only way to make this right is to promise to vote for democrats the reset of your eligible voting days and become an activist for democrats on all levels. Anything less, go fuck yourself, Golomb!

[Skittles]

75. a pussy-grabbing con man did that to you?

oh dear

[sakabatou]

76. We warned you people and you didn't listen!

[kacekwl]

77. Hey John, ever hear the phrase

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining ? Too bad you and your fellow workers got pissed on but any slightly intelligent person could have told you you would. Sadly many of them will gladly be pissed on again.

[muntrv]

80. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

[Skittles]

91. problem is

we're ALL having to sleep in it

[muntrv]

81. Houdini? The freaks come out at night?

https://m.

[Blue Owl]

86. Hairplug Hodonny

n/t

[JI7]

92. they wanted to hear him say fucked up things about women and minorities ?