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Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:12 PM

I am sure I have overlooked something, but it seems to me that most of the right wing's gnashing

of teeth and rending of garments about getting rid of AR-15's is occasioned by the word "confiscation", i.e., "they're a gonna STEAL our guns!" So, let's forget about "confiscation".

Let's just enact a law that offers to BUY listed assault weapons(AR-15s, AK-47s, etc) for a stated price---say, $500--- up until a specific date at least 90 days in the future. The law would further provide that after that date, POSSESSION of one of the listed weapons would be a felony with penalties of 1 to 3 years in prison and a $25,000 fine for a first offense. Any further offenses would trigger more serious penalties, including forfeiture of all firearms and loss of the offender's right to possess a firearm for 10 years.

Gun owners could accept the cash or destroy the weapon or---risk prison.

No "confiscation". I understand that Australia has done this and has seen a drastic reduction in gun deaths as a result.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:24 PM

1. When one negotiates...

You don't start with what you actually want.

So, float the idea of confiscation as the first point of order, (like Beto did). Let the right get all worked up about that, (they already are anyway and have been for a long time). Then fall back.

Concede to the buy back idea. That would sound more like a win-win and a positive outcome. "Whew! They didn' coman takur guns!"

Otherwise, your outline is what I would think would be about right. Of course, the types of weapons have to be very clearly indicated and described.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:12 PM

2. Ban the Gun, Not the Man

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:28 PM

3. I like it

That sounds like a good idea.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:32 PM

4. Messaging matters.

I would suggest using a lot of messaging that associates these assault weapons with tanks, bazookas, mortars, grenades, and other military grade weapons of war--a class not available for private ownership.

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Response to moondust (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:49 PM

6. they do all the messaging as long as americans ignore 1500 putin/gop coordinated radio stations

 

limbaigh and sons will interpret anything dems do to 50 mil a week and control messaging

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:40 PM

5. We need "in your face education"

about why these weapons are not for the public. We need doctors to show on TV why these weapons and their injuries are different than the injuries inflicted by handguns. Doctors have been interviewed many times in print but the public needs to see the pictures and the damage done.
The exit wound is the size of an orange or softball. Organs are pulverized and nothing can be done.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

"The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange."

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:52 PM

7. we can't have a rational fact-based discussion on any major topic as long as democrats

 

ignore talk radio .

they wait in their think tanks for progress and then design PR campaigns to distort and undercut and send it thru 1500 radio stations and democrats have no clue

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:56 PM

8. Makes sense to you.

But you can't control the GOP / NRA messaging. It's coming and it'll be impactive. You may not understand why the phrase "gun grabbing Democrats" strikes fear into at least a small majority of voters, because you dismiss the fact that a large percentage of Democrats also own guns.

Oh boy, the government wants to give me $500 for my $800 AK. By the way, I sold that at a gun show two years ago. Honest.

Collecting guns in this country would require manpower that would make the Federal Highway Act look like a scout project. Twenty five million people in Australia.

OTOH, Jobs!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:10 AM

9. Problem is that given the current makeup of the SCOTUS such a law has a slim chance at best

of not being thrown out.
No, honestly what the focus needs to be on is not new laws which can be thrown out and or easily repealed by the legislature in the future but rather we need an amendment to the Constitution.
Yes, it will not be easy to do it but few things worthwhile are easy.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:13 AM

10. That's confiscation with a prettier name.


Forcing people to give up their guns under penalty of law is no better than house to house searches

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:48 AM

11. These gun addicts will never give up their precious metal.

They've constructed their entire persona around it.

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Response to NCLefty (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 01:49 AM

12. Which only goes to prove that they are too mentally ill to own a gun in the first place.

 

When you identify with a killing machine to that level, there is something extremely wrong with you.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:59 AM

13. Recently a study from manufacturers and number of background checks

Revealed that their were now 400 million guns in circulation in the US. 20-25% were AR variation with one just one brand selling 200,000 a year. The AR platform is projected to hit the 1,000,000 a year sold mark this year.

Where are we supposed to get Trillions of dollars?

We will not be able to put the horses back in the barn on this.

Sen Coons is right Beto’s statement will hurt the party. It hurts in areas we need to win deny it all we want. That statement will be a bludgeon for the next 5 years. Remember the clinging phrase? That was nearly 12 years ago I still hear it when canvassing. How many a year do we lose to inadequate healthcare because rifle deaths are on average 400 a year.

In Oklahoma this month a petition was circulated widely to just put to a vote to repeal Permitless Carry. It only needed 58,000 in a state of 4 million it got just over 30,000. Oklahoma has a huge population of Democratic Party members look at our Governors race last year.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:35 AM

14. There has NEVER been a confiscation proposal.Even in Australia. Buyback is ALWAYS the plan

But propaganda imagining liberals STEALING your weapon is how they've turned the issue into a civil war.Because liberals are every bad thing you can imagine.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 01:41 PM

15. We have to make the buy back worth it to the gun owner.

According to this article:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/america-s-rifle-why-so-many-people-love-ar-15-n831171


New AR-15 style guns range widely in price, from about $500 to more than $2,000.

I suggest that we offer a price that is at least the value of the gun. Why would anyone want to sell their $1000 gun for $500? Perhaps we can offer $2000 for any AR-15, working or not. That is likely to offer the most incentive to have people sell their weapon.

At the same time, make the sale of them illegal and make the possession of one a felony.

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