James Corden slams Bill Maher regarding fat shaming (a.k.a. bullying):

[demmiblue]

Link to tweet

Maher is such an asshole.

[hlthe2b]

1. James Cordon is just the best. I love that he did this.

Bill Maher is not stupid, but damn, his arrogant ignorance about this is really appalling. And no, I don't think he did it "mistakenly" for laughs. I think he is this ignorant and arrogant about the entire subject.

[lunatica]

2. Asshole shaming needs to become the norm

I’m so glad I stopped watching Maher. Too bad that being an asshole is so bad that I don’t miss even his good spiel. F!!k him and every asshole who thinks it’s cool to tear people down. For any reason!

[MurrayDelph]

45. When I cancelled my HBO

I made sure they knew it was because of Maher.

A writer friend of mine for a very short time sold some jokes to Maher called him "A talented comedian, but a horrible human being."

And the more often I see Maher, the more I think of him as post-talented, like Dennis Miller, who treats his punching down as "you're just not smart-enough to appreciate me."

[lunatica]

62. That's a very good point

Thanks for making it.

[mucifer]

3. Decades ago on Maher's old show he had Studs Terkel on his show he was

very old and hard of hearing and Maher was very rude to him making fun of him. Made me sick. I wish I could link to it. But, it is in my memory.

[USALiberal]

5. Many posters here fat shame all the time. nt

[Hekate]

7. I hope you don't count comments about Trump's physique in the forbidden category...

Some do.

Personally, I think his weight is in the same category as his skin and hair: his magic mirror does not tell him, so we need to.

[USALiberal]

8. yes, making fun of trumps weight is fat shaming.....

call him an asshole, incompetent, etc. But no need to attack appearance. Childish bullshit.

Many dems are overweight.

[JI7]

10. what if it's fat people doing it ?

[Chemisse]

25. I fail to see a fat-person exemption.

Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean it's then polite to call others assholes.

[MurrayDelph]

46. I don't consider making fun of Trump's weight to be fat shaming

any more than I think it's wrong to out closeted gay people who harass others for being gay.

Once you've cast the first stone, counterattacks are fair game.

[Ms. Toad]

61. But the stones you are throwing back hurt all fat people,

and all LGBT people.

You can't use far or gay as a weapon without implying that it is bad. And we hear you calling us bad.

[Hekate]

12. Of course "many dems are overweight" because it's a damn epidemic...

I am in that category as well. I will spend the entire rest of my life attempting to manage it for my health.

Big difference: I and other Dems aren't trying to take people's health care away. We aren't trying to turn beauty contestants & our own female relatives into anorexics.

Did you read about what he did to Miss Brazil when she gained a damn 8 pounds? He hounded the hell out of her, put her on a strict gym regimen, called in news cameras to the gym and told them what a pig she was and how he, Trump, was going to save her.. Damn him to hell and back again, and if you think I am fat-shaming you by calling him a fat pig, then the problem is not with me.

Oh, and if we make fun of his hair, are we bald-shaming people with alopecia? If we mention his Day-Glo orange hue, are we engaging is lookism that shames people with vitiligo? Are we?

[USALiberal]

14. I do not see any need to make fun of appearance. Grade school shit. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

94. TrumPutin is a narcissist and a bully

He reveals his own vulnerabilities in how he attempts to shame others. He should receive insults equal to what he throws because he both values and fears those characteristics even as he tries to inflict pain in others.

[USALiberal]

95. So, act like trump! Great advice! Nt

[Chemisse]

27. Commenting on his hair and skin are petty, but at least it's based on choices he made.

Very often people who are overweight have a whole lot less control over it than society likes to think.

And when you call him a fat pig, you are saying that fatness is vile and disgusting. It's a clear message to everyone in earshot or view, and a clear insult to those who are struggling with their weight.

[CaptYossarian]

13. The same is true with Chris Christie.

It allows the other side to pick on Michael Moore, a great American patriot.

Besides, the only group of people still constantly bullied is overweight people. Everyone else is protected.

[SergeStorms]

19. Protected?

How so? People still call other people names because the color of their skin, their ethnicity, religious affiliation (or lack thereof), sexual orientation etc. I don't see any "protection" from being called names anywhere. Perhaps if someone did it in front of a crowd of people and there was recorded evidence, but even then what "protection" is there? A fine...........maybe?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just fail to see what protection some people enjoy from name calling bullies. If you can provide examples I'll be more than happy to give you a 'mea culpa'.

The old "sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me" childhood rhyme comes to mind. Eleanor Roosevelt's saying also comes to mind: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent". I've remembered that quote my entire life, and it's served me well. And yes, I've been overweight since childhood, and have led a very productive and extremely happy life. People calling me names rolls right off my back, but I've had nearly 70 years practice.

I can certainly understand some people feeling shame and being hurt by name calling, but I also think people have become too thin-skinned, and are ready to jump on someone's back for the "sin" of name calling. The PC Police have become too much for many Americans to bear (even many democrats), and I can see their point, to an extent. I don't name call, but it doesn't bother as much as others would like when other people do, I guess. Purposely calling people names with the intent to shame or hurt them is infantile, as others have said. Calling Donald Trump a fat, orange, short-dicked slob is a different matter though, as he insults people every waking minute of the day.

[Chemisse]

32. Social norms, such as they are, 'prohibit' many types of name calling.

I expect that is what that poster referred to.

Rude names for people of various ethnic and racial groups and sexual orientation are frowned upon. I personally will rebuke someone in my company who says them. But many people still enjoy a chuckle over comments about someone else's fat body, without consequence.

It's nice for you that such comments roll right off you. But many people have suffered their whole lives, some in horrific ways, because of their weight, and fat-shaming comments towards others can cause pain.

All so someone can hurl a feel-good insult about something that is inconsequential.

[CaptYossarian]

40. I meant in general--schools getting rid of the R-word and dropping

Native American mascots and team names, etc. You can't control what some rube yells out a car window, but we've made some progress.

[SergeStorms]

44. Oh, OK.

Thanks for the reply, and I agree with you on that point. Have a great evening.

[JI7]

26. Michael moore made fun of himself being fat and the right wing couldn't get the humor

[Blue_true]

38. Have you seen Michael Moore lately?

He still wears dumbassed hats, but he is pretty lean.

Instead of fat shaming people, we should welcome them in as part of our groups. If that is done in a caring way, people that can do so emulate the decisions and positive behaviors of their friends.

[CaptYossarian]

41. I've got last night's Real Time DVRed and haven't watched it yet.

I'm especially curious because Maher is a notorious fat shamer. Corden is absolutely right.

[Celerity]

77. these pics are from 3 and half months ago, if you think this is 'pretty lean' then we have vastly

different ideas on body weight. He may weigh less than he used to, but he is still very much an obese human.

[Blue_true]

81. I saw a picture from a couple of weeks ago.

I did not see his body, but his face was much leaner that in the pictures you posted. Most people that I have seen faces reflect what is happening with their bodies. He could have had something like stomach surgery to reduce food intake.

[smirkymonkey]

86. I don't make fun of Michael Moore because he doesn't make fun of other people's

looks and bodies. He is not a horrible person and doesn't shame people for who they are. He is not perfect, but he is not cruel and hateful. Therefore, I have never once mentioned his weight. And I don't care about it.

Trump is exactly the opposite and deserves to feel the pain that he throws at other people. That is why I make fun of him. I want him to feel the ridicule and embarrassment that he imposes on other people. He thinks he is attractive and virile. I want him to know that he is anything but. I want him to know how hated he is, how repulsive people find him, how fat and disgusting he is because he will never get it unless he feels the pain of it himself.

I don't give a flying fuck about Trump's feelings. And no, I do not feel this kind of disgust for other overweight people. It is only him because he is so cruel and hateful and judgmental. My disgust with him has everything to do with his character, but I only mention his body because he is so vain about it.

[Celerity]

88. Oh, I agree, I was not making fun of Moore at all

[smirkymonkey]

90. Oh, I know. I wasn't suggesting that you were.

I was just saying that I don't have a problem with people's weight in general - or barely notice it - if they are kind and generous.

It is only people like Trump, Barr, McConnell, etc. and other sexist, piggish Republicans that I feel deserve our ridicule because they are gluttonous, swinish, contemptible, judgmental (especially of women) and OLD FARTS!

Who do they think they are to judge anyone? They need to be viciously attacked on their physicality and often. Certain men need to know that they are not immune from being judged by what they look like. I want to humiliate them. I want them to feel insecure. I want them to feel the way they have made women feel their whole lives.

Sorry about the rant. I'm just sick of these pigs.

[Celerity]

91. rant on!!

[Kingofalldems]

21. Yeah Trump never makes fun of anyone's appearance.

Not really a good try there.

[USALiberal]

37. So you think behaving like Trump is ok....LOLOLOL NT

[Kingofalldems]

59. Giving him his own medicine.

LOLOLOLOL

[USALiberal]

60. Nope, acting like he does is OK with you! LOLOL

[Kingofalldems]

63. No comparison between me or any Democrat to Trump.

Not a good try once more.

[USALiberal]

64. Nice try! nt

[Chemisse]

22. Fat-shaming Trump is just as bad as any other fat-shaming.

When you sneer with disgust at his fat body, you are showing disgust for all fatness, not just his. That is hurtful to everybody who has struggled with weight and faced ridicule for it during their lives.

[USALiberal]

53. +1000! nt

[NNadir]

57. I frequently fat shame myself, by stating I'm a fat, bald, white man, which is what I am. n/t.

[Hekate]

6. Absolutely fantastic. Love the line about don't worry Bill, I can see a dick.

That rant belongs in the Ten Best Late-Night Rants Hall of Fame.

[yaesu]

11. years ago I worked with a lady who was quite the artist and she gave out certificates to all

guys who turned 50, it was called the Dicky Do Award, as their stomachs will soon stick out farther than their dickys do sadly, I wasn't working there when I turned 50.

[LisaL]

18. I am pretty sure now days she would be fired for sexual harassment.

[yaesu]

23. yep, but she only gave it out to people in the department who she knew well and could take a joke

but there was one guy who worked in the manufacturing part who got the boot for sexual harassment, did a tRump thing.

[LisaL]

24. Trust me, you don't always know who can take a joke.

[yaesu]

31. It was a great place to work while it was family owned and employed 500 + but everything went down

hill shortly after they went public and got bought up by a huge pharma company.

[mountain grammy]

9. James Corden is a gem.

He did this exactly right.

[Kurt V.]

15. live your values bill... oh yeah nevermind

[Oppaloopa]

16. He values his great long term friendship with Ann Coultere

[Auggie]

17. Maher's remarks were edited and out of context

He was making the link to high health insurance costs and poor eating habits. I don’t support shaming or bullying and thought perhaps Maher might indeed have stepped over the line. On the other hand, I’m not cool — and either is Maher — with having to subsidize anyone who’s reckless lifestyles — diets that lead to diabetes and heart disease — raise health insurance for everyone else.

As Maher pointed out, we weren’t so obese 40 years ago. We’ve evolved. And I think we can very well de-evolve too.

I’m hypothyroid and know first-hand how hard it is to lose weight. Nevertheless, in the past four years I’ve lost 60 pounds through eating a sensible diet and moderate activity. I do empathize with those with health conditions. So would Maher. But give him a break. He was attacking the way most of us choose to eat. And I applaud him for it.

Watch the entire New Rule segment.

[LisaL]

20. I am just curious, where does it stop?

Who would you want to subsidize? How about people who like adventure, jumping from planes, racing cars, riding motorcycles, athletes, etc-they might not be fat and in fact could be very fit, but are likely more prone to injuries from accidents. Do you want to subsidize their lifestyles?
Or should we forbid all forms of dangerous activities in order to save costs?

[Auggie]

28. You're looking for an argument ...

but I'm not going to play. Apologies.

[LisaL]

29. Isn't what discussion is?

People do all kinds of dangerous activities (legal and illegal). Drinking, smoking,using drugs, etc, all increases insurance costs.
But the fat are the ones who should be shamed for driving insurance rates up?

[deurbano]

33. Also, why did average weight really increase so much so quickly? A lot of individuals just happened

to start making poor choices simultaneously? (Or perhaps it's not those individuals who need to be shamed, but those who helped orchestrate this epidemic in pursuit of profit.)

[LisaL]

34. Most likely because of how humans are programmed by their genes.

"Energy is crucial to survival. Human energy regulation is primed to protect against weight loss, rather than to control weight gain. The “thrifty genotype” hypothesis was proposed to help explain this observation. It suggests that the same genes that helped our ancestors survive occasional famines are now being challenged by environments in which food is plentiful year round."

https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/resources/diseases/obesity/obesedit.htm

[Blue_true]

39. Lisa, you are making some good points.

But in some cases you aren't. We have literally ran a crusade against smoking and drinking while driving for the last two decades minimum. And those efforts HAVE had a positive impact.

A very small percentage of people are going to do dangerous stuff, like free-climbing skyscrapers or walking along ledges of skyscrapers without a fall restraint, and some of those people die. But obesity is a problem and over-eating sits at the core of that problem. Yes, some people have endocrine gland problems, but most people simply eat the wrong stuff regularly and often overeat. When I was a young engineer, I worked brutal hours and on my way home would pick up a big sub with lots of cheese and a half-dozen 4 inch cookies. I did that several times each week, because cooking was just too damned hard after a hard day. I had big lunches when I got a chance to eat at work. The consequences of my choices should not be hard to figure out. Once I freaked out about my weight, I over-compensated, eating broccoli with almost everything, stopping eating any sweets. Buying exercise equipment and forcing myself to work out regardless of the hour. I lost a buttload of weight and looked great and thin, but my energy level sucked. I wrote once about a Twix candybar showed me the light about my restrictive diet, no need to rehash that. But what the Twix chugging craze did do was showed me that the solution is making good diet choices most of the time along with a REASONABLE excercise routine. I allow myself some cheating pleasures, I can pound down a pint of ice cream with the best, and I will still pound down a half box of Oreos, but I do that maybe two or three times per year, when I just need to have that stuff (my body lets me know when I do and when I have had enough). I have followed that route since. I have times when I start a planned workout but just don't feel like it, people should not beat themselves up about that, but they should set a goal of a minimum number of workouts per week. Sometimes working out simply is not possible, this week I had obligations that eliminated two of my planned workout days, but I had Friday afternoon free and today free, so I caught up SOME (emphasis on SOME, I have learned not to overcompensate). We have setbacks in everything concerned with life, the people that are the happiest find a way to pick up from those setbacks. I am fit and have no desire to be heavy again, I saw how hard that was on my joints (even as a young person).

[Ztolkins]

49. I agree with you and said as much somewhere in this comments

I don't know why people are so touchy around the subject. I don't think Maher what happened issue treating people with incurable conditions that led to obesity or would be an asshole to them.

What gets me is picturing a person with an incurable disability and a person with obesity due to poor diet and lack of exercise sitting in the same room having a conversation about the same home care they get but the person with the incurable disability eat a sensible lunch while the person with obesity downs 2 l of diet Coke. I would say that this is a hypothetical but I've witnessed this more than once. I couldn't imagine how that person with the disability felt.

However if the person with obesity had a condition or genetics that caused them to be that way, and they would definitely be entitled to the same quality home care that the person with an incurable disability had regardless of diet or exercise. this is my opinion.

[JonLP24]

51. The US subsidizes a lot like sports stadiums for multi millionaires

I have no issue with subsidizing health care and it would actually help with the problem much more than Maher's rant where he comes off as a libertarian.

Bill Maher isn't in danger of losing his health care as a rich celebrity.

--

Causes Overweight People to Eat More
Discrimination causes stress and negatively affects people.

In the case of overweight individuals, this stress can drive them to eat more and gain more weight (3Trusted Source).

In a study in 93 women, exposure to weight-stigmatizing information made those who were overweight — but not normal-weight — eat more calories and feel less in control of their eating (4).

In another study in 73 overweight women, those who watched a stigmatizing video ate 3 times as many calories afterward compared to those who watched a non-stigmatizing video (5Trusted Source).


https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fat-shaming-makes-things-worse

[smirkymonkey]

87. The thing with Maher is that I saw him a few years ago with his mother and sister and his

sister is definitely obese. She is a lovely woman, but extremely heavy. I just wonder how she feels about what he is saying about heavy people. It must really hurt her. I don't know if she has lost weight since then, but if not, it is extremely cruel of him.

I just keep thinking about how she is feeling right now. Even if she has lost weight, she must still feel the sting of his words knowing how disgusted he was by her when she was at her heaviest. That's pretty sad. He can be pretty cruel.

[Ztolkins]

30. I like both of these guys but why is Maher wrong?

I mean, I don't think we should be making fun of anybody but I don't think we should be making obesity acceptable via plus sized models (different from healthy and unhealthily skinny models), "embracing your true self" campaigns, etc. Almost every part of your health is adversely affected by being overweight. In many cases, it's a solvable problem that costs a ton in healthcare dollars that ultimately takes away resources from more serious cases.

For example, in some places morbid obesity is treated as a disability. So, say you live in a place that provides homecare for people with physical disabilities but are otherwise independent. Someone who is obese is treated in the same way that someone with MS, Spina-Bifada, or a spinal cord injury - conditions for which there is no cure. This means resources go to someone who could cure themselves with some difficult work rather than an individual is stuck with a disability for life. The care an obese person gets doesn't come with stipulations of being on diet or exercise programs because that's a violation of their human rights. Meanwhile someone with an incurable disease or condition may not get the care they need.

Now I know there are exceptions to every case/arguments, etc. Sometimes obesity can be some kind of genetic disease (at least, I think) but largely it comes down to personal responsibility. I mean, considering my example how is Maher wrong (other than his implied nastiness which I ain't down with)?

[LuckyCharms]

35. Someone else's obesity is none of my business, nor is it yours.

And on what do you base your statement that it largely comes down to personal responsibility, and on what do you base your argument that genetic factors are "exceptions"?

What are your qualifications to type these things?

[LisaL]

36. And as far as I can tell, humans are basically programmed by years of evolution to store fat

for use as energy, which worked when food was hard to obtain, but not so much now.
Most people aren't choosing to be fat, and would rather not be.

[Ztolkins]

48. I don't know, I watched dookie howser when I was a kid.

Your questions are largely besides my point. It's the same as smoking only so far as tax dollars go to treating a public problem that is in so many instances a complete choice (Yes, I get that in every instance of smoking it is a choice). Those tax dollars could be better spent on other things. As to your other question, there are some people I imagine that have no control over their weight due to genetics or some kind of condition there is no cure for. In those instances, well, yeah spend money trying to find cures for those people and treat them. The people who do have control over their weight, give them a solution to the problem rather than say it's okay to stay that way. That's kind of what society does. We have no problems telling people when they're bad behaviors are wrong and create legislation around it all the time.

[LuckyCharms]

55. I read this 3 times, and I still could not fund anything correct about it.

Here's the thing...it is not your business. Eating is not against the law. Overeating is not against the law.

You come across as someone who believes they can legislate how people live their lives because YOU do not like the fact that they are overweight.

What if a person is "perfect" in all other ways except for their overeating? What if they are obese, but they contribute much more to society than you do? Do they get to tell you that you are a drain on society? Do they get to tell you that you are not doing enough to promote the greater good? Do they get to harshly judge you like you do to them?

Someday, you are going to understand something...as human beings, we each have a different "starting line" in life. Different economic realities. Different genetics. Different mental capabilities. Different obstacles to overcome. This means that we all have different outcomes in life.

It is foolish to boil down obesity to simple overeating. I know obese people who eat quite well, always, and they still cannot lose weight. Maybe it is a metabolic issue, maybe it's something else. Who knows? Whatever the case...it is no one else's business. Obese people are not to be judged by you, me, or anyone else.

Imagine someone approaching YOU and diminishing YOU because YOU are doing something that they feel impacts the spending of "our tax dollars" in a negative way.

If you are going to judge someone, make damn sure that you stand in their shoes first.

[qazplm135]

76. it's a mixed bag

sure, for some, there are extra challenges others don't have, and for others, they are blessed with genes that forgive their sins.

But the reality is most Americans eat too much and don't exercise enough, and that's the primary cause of obesity.

That's not fat shaming, that's reality.

the reality is that obesity leads to a host of other diseases and health issues.

That's not fat shaming, that's reality.

The reality is that those medical issues cost a lot of money. And if we are going to go to a MFA system, that means it costs you and me money too.

That's not fat shaming, that's reality.

So, we shouldn't shame, but we also shouldn't treat obesity any differently than smoking. We should encourage folks to lose weight. Not because they "aren't beautiful" but because it's the right thing for their health. Just like smoking.

[LuckyCharms]

79. Actually, a person's weight is between him/her...

and their doctor. "We" should not encourage people to lose weight, because in fact, their health is none of "our" goddamn business.

One of the reasons it is none of our business is because "we" have no idea why they are obese or overweight.

Obese or overweight individuals know they are overweight. They usually do the best they can. Unless "we" are willing to make a commitment to support them in all aspects of their lives, because again, we don't know all of the factors currently contributing to their situation, then we should not assume that they are dumb asses and tell them that they need to lose weight.

Maybe we should start telling people with bad skin that they need to do something about that?

[treestar]

50. It is not by choice or "reckless lifestyle"

I don't know what it is; but there are slim people with diabetes, how do people explain that?

Once you are overweight it is the cause of anything wrong.

I eat far less than I used to and weigh a lot more. I don't eat any sweets or fried foods, nor anything wrong. So that's not it.

[GaYellowDawg]

42. I used to weigh 365 pounds.

I weighed 300+ pounds for about 25 years, after getting there about 5 years out of college. The looks and comments that I got about my weight didn't do me a damn bit of good, and didn't make me want to lose weight any worse than I already did. They just hurt. That's all. They didn't go any good, and hurt.

After decades of trying, and after having 2 stents put in my coronary arteries, I finally came up with a diet plan that worked. I lost 150 pounds in 3 years. I made the mistake of not exercising, and actually developed type 2 diabetes when I lost a lot of muscle mass. I started working out this summer in a pit of despair over an ex-girlfriend, and have gotten my fat/lean mass into normal range for the first time in probably 30 years. Yesterday, I put on a suit that I wore as a best man when I was 23 and in good shape, and it fit well. Yes, for some reason, I carried it around for 30+ years. Anyhow, I'm down to 211 and that includes about 10 pounds of new muscle. So I'm not fat now. I'm still trying to get another 20-25 pounds of fat off, but I'm in better shape, I think, than most men my age. I'm even having trouble getting my insulin dosing right because the diabetes really seems to be waning. It may go away entirely with more exercise and weight loss. I'm hoping so.

Every time I see someone who's really overweight, I ache for them. I wish that they could find their own method of weight loss, if that's what they want. I know how they feel. I know the looks, I know the comments, I know the rude jokes. I know how so many people give themselves permission to treat overweight people horribly. I know how any time someone overweight eats anything in public, they're going to get looks and comments. I know the awful physical feeling in my back and knees. I know the self-loathing every time I saw my reflection, or folded my clothes, or had to buy a 3XL shirt or pants with over a 50 waistline. I know how much it hurts, physically and emotionally, every day.

And fat shaming just makes it hurt more. It does no good. It does not serve as motivation. I remember being a shirt and tie guy and approaching a customer looking at the extra long ties. I asked about her husband's measurements and said, "it sounds like he has the same issue I have looking for ties" which was a long torso. She looked at me and said, "a fat gut?" with an incredible amount of contempt. Later on, she expected me to ring her up with a smile. I refused to ring her up and got someone else to do so. She complained to the manager and he started to dress me down in front of her - until she called him a "little fag" for not firing me on the spot. Then he tossed her from the store. That was over 20 years ago and it still pisses me off, and hurts.

You might call say it's "tough love" and it was pulled out of context. I say that anyone who advocates fat shaming is a piece of crap. And all too often, "tough love" is just an excuse for someone to be an asshole and feel virtuous instead of ashamed. There is no rationale for fat shaming. PERIOD.

[MurrayDelph]

47. Too many people use the term "tough love"

as an excuse to be a jerk: "I'm mean to you because you deserve it."

It's like "hate the sin; love the sinner," when they actually hate both.

[quickesst]

52. here's what I wrote....

.... On another thread.

James Corden says ...
.... That he's been on and off of all kinds of diets. He follows that with the statement " I have my good days and I have my bad months".

All that tells me is, spend a couple of days on a diet, see no physical change, give up, then spend the next few months doing what he was doing that made him obese in the first place.

He closes by naming all of the things that can be done to help solve the problem. All those things he named has been around for a long time. It's not a new concept, and it seems not to have had much of an impact. Sometimes a wake up call is needed. That's what Bill Maher has done.

[LisaL]

54. Educate yourself.There is a reason lots of "The biggest loser" contestants gained their weight back.

"What was surprising was what a coordinated effect it is," Dr. Joseph Proietto told The New York Times. "The body puts multiple mechanisms in place to get you back to your weight. The only way to maintain weight loss is to be hungry all the time.""
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/biggest-loser-now-135189/

[phylny]

56. Yes!

Not only that, my bariatric doctor (I'm not having surgery, just am getting guidance and help) said that when you hit a plateau and want to quit because you think, "I'm sacrificing here and nothing is happening!" is when you need to stick through with it and continue on your plan. Another reason the contestants gained weight is that they never had a chance to work through plateaus - they never GOT plateaus because of the calorie deprivation and exercise - and their bodies never reset their "new normal."

There is so much more I've learned about obesity that he's taught me - things like the adage of "calories in/calories expended = weight loss" is untrue, how obesity is a disease (you're not "obese" because you are "fat" - my word, not his - but you're "fat" because you have obesity).

The most interesting thing is that if I have obesity and you do not, and we both consume 750 calories, I, the obese person, will accept and store all of those calories, and you, the person without obesity, might accept and store 500 of it, and the rest will be excreted.

It's a real struggle, and James is right - people with obesity know it. We know it every day.

[LisaL]

58. Like I said, we have years of evolution to blame.

Humans evolved to store fat as energy for future use. Which made sense when humans had to hunt for food.
Now food is everywhere, but the body has multiple mechanisms to store fat and few to get rid of it.
People who lose weight through diet and exercise (like the biggest loser contestants) are likely to eventually gain it back, because body has multiple mechanisms to try and bring it back to the original weight. Basically losing weight is a constant fight for those who are obese.

[Caliman73]

93. Correct. Homeostasis is a major problem for people who are obese and losing weight.

Your body reacts to major changes from diets. Part of the solution is losing weight slowly at about 1 to 2 pounds per week max, but that tends to go against our psychology that is pushed by the pressure to "get slim quick" among other things. When we lose one or two pounds in a week we feel like we are failures.

Even the idea of losing weight is like somewhat of an anchor from the start because if you lose too much, your body stalls out and if you don't lose enough, your brain does. Perhaps rethinking the concept to getting healthy, eating a little bit better a little at at time and working in more activity without emphasizing the weight, might help, but there is a billion dollar diet and exercise industry out there that needs to push us to "buy the latest and greatest" gadgets and pills, and they are fighting with or working with a food industry that wants us to eat sweet, salty, and fat foods that trigger our dopamine response.

[quickesst]

65. I'm educated enough to know....

.... that if you are overweight and have a desire to lose it, some sacrifice has to be made. When the desired weight is achieved one does not have to be hungry all the time. It is simply a matter of maintaining the desired weight by offsetting one's eating habits with the appropriate maintenance. Diet and proper health is not a one-and-done process. One cannot say " well, I reach my desired weight so I can stop eating properly and not exercise anymore." It does not work that way.

"The body puts multiple mechanisms in place to get you back to your weight. The only way to maintain weight loss is to be hungry all the time."

That translates into " it's okay. It's not your fault, so give up, and be happy for as long as you can."
With that confirmation, it makes one's next stop at McDonald's guilt-free.

I have never relied on a game show to further my education on any subject. I prefer to use the logic and common sense that has served me pretty well for many years.

[OnDoutside]

66. Aren't you great to have that logic trigger in your head ? Lots of overweight people feel they are

in a head space of ever decreasing circles for many different reasons, including childhood deprivation and traumatic formative experiences. Long before "Pull yourself together, man" type suggestions, understanding why people became obese, should be the first step to help.

[quickesst]

67. there are always exceptions....

.... for medical and psychological reasons, but for the most part it's because people do not have the willpower to stick to a program, and look for a way out. If these people are told it's okay, it's not your fault. You're beautiful just the way you are, all the better. Eliminates the guilt for quitting. That's it in a nutshell for most people. Your suggestion of first understanding why people are overweight is certainly valid for those exceptions I mentioned above.

[OnDoutside]

68. They're not exceptions by any stretch, and the supposed lack

of willpower is a consequence not a causation. Once they have piled on the weight, it's dreadfully hard to find a way out. Being positive in giving them a pathway to weight loss is the answer, rather than negativity. "You're too fat, you should lose weight" Wow, well done Einstein !

[quickesst]

69. "Wow, well done Einstein !"

A little childish, but thanks for the comparison. I'm flattered.

[OnDoutside]

70. That was in response to the quotes, for those stating the bleeding obvious.

[quickesst]

72. what quotes?

I'll wait right here.

[OnDoutside]

73. "You're too fat, you should lose weight" There ya go.

[quickesst]

75. let me make it simpler

Who are you attributing those quotes to, and where did you find them? If you can show me they were my quotes, then I will own up. Otherwise, stay tuned.

[OnDoutside]

78. They're not your quotes !!! It's not all about you !!!

The topic is fat shaming, and the attitude is by shaming people "You're fat, you should lose weight", that it's going to have a positive effect on those who are overweight. Maher is a fucking self absorbed asshole at the best of times, but this is the solution of a moron.

[quickesst]

82. "Wow, well done Einstein !".....

.... was clearly directed at me. Attributing those quotes to someone else only occurred after being asked for clarity.

I could stand to lose around 60 lb myself. The basic premise of Bill Maher's statement is correct. As a matter of fact, it has inspired me to pull my stationary exercise bike back out of storage.

[OnDoutside]

83. Nope it wasn't, but I'd be happy to attribute them to you, if you prefer.

His premise is moronic. Making overweight people feel even worse than they already do, is the act of an ignorant guttersnipe. They need positivity, encouragement and a way out of the ever decreasing circles. I can see why he never wanted to have kids, he can safely stay an asshole inside his asshole bubble.

[quickesst]

92. like I said....

.... I am overweight, and I don't feel any worse than I did before Bill Maher spoke. I am however more determined to lose the weight partially because of what he did say. I know exactly why I'm overweight. Bad eating habits, and a lack of exercise in retirement. What I won't do is come up with excuses to justify the extra weight. If I fail to do anything about it I know exactly where the fault lies. That would be on me. But then again, I don't completely wrap myself in the cocoon of political correctness. Some might call it having a thicker skin, but I choose to call it looking at things logically. We just have a difference of opinion, and neither one of us are going to budge.

[OnDoutside]

96. As have I.

I've lost over 110 pounds in the last 3 years, 35 of that since February. You're fortunate that you've gone through most of your life not being overweight, and clearly did not have that "mind fog" that many people have. It's a shit existence going through life overweight. There are an awful lot of people out there who are obese since childhood and/or since traumatic events in their lives, piling on the weight without realising what is happening and without the tools to take action. Many obese people are clinically depressed, not only because they feel trapped in a spot that they don't know how to get out of, but comfort eat when they realise they don't know how to fix it.

[quickesst]

97. I'm glad it worked out well for you.

Congratulations

[Fan of Da Bearse]

71. Why not post this on the V&M forum?

Here's the YouTube version. Feel free to use it!

[BlueTsunami2018]

74. Corden totally missed the point.

Instead of cherry picking one part of the editorial, watch the whole thing. I don’t see anything Bill was wrong about. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

[Auggie]

89. Yep. Corden did something I'd expect from Fox News.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

98. Indeed he did

The gist of what Maher was saying was how obesity affects ones health.

[Johnny2X2X]

80. Maher was way off base on this one

2 in 5 Americans didn't wake up 1 day in the early 80s and decide they were no longer going to have self control. The food supply changed dramatically around then and millions of Americans had bodies that made their will nearly powerless to do anything about it.

The food supply is toxic and causes this obesity epidemic. Some people are more susceptible to the toxicity than others. Will power has little to do with it.

[maxsolomon]

84. Meh, it has something to do with it. It's not binary.

But your larger point is correct. Sugar changed, and fat became the enemy. Sugar is the enemy.

[Johnny2X2X]

85. Agree

Sugar was added to food when scientists said too much fat could be bad. That’s when it seems to have started.