Trump has been completely emboldened to rig the election in ways we cannot imagine.

[shockey80]

Trump will rig the election right out in the open because he knows he can get away with it. When he gets caught cheating by the news media he will call it the fake news because it works. He will call all investigations corrupt because it works. He will bring up the Mueller Report and use it over and over again for his benefit. The report cleared me.

I can see nothing that stops Trump from rigging the election and gaining a second term except this. An economic or foreign crisis that turns his voters and Republicans in Congress against him.

[empedocles]

1. Have to agree.

My hope is that over the next year his support continues to erode at an increasing rate.

[Joe941]

5. Hope isn't a plan to win unfortunately.

[empedocles]

6. The Pelosi apparent plan is to investigate and expose as fully as possible,

while limiting Dem mistakes. Formal impeachment will depend on getting the requisite support [which the Constitutional framers envisioned - more than1 party support], and numbers lined up.

[not_the_one]

7. or to delay and delay until the "it is too close to the election" argument

can be used.

I am beginning to be REALLY suspicious of Nancy. Something doesn't smell right.

edit to add, IF he "WINS" by obvious rigging, then we need to do whatever it takes (actions to be decided on at that time, to bring this country to a halt. Or are you unwilling to put up with a little inconvenience?)....

[empedocles]

10. Really now, why would the Speaker from SF, want to delay?

The impeach now crowd, [which seems to be declining a bit], has wanted, as does the trumpsters, to get formal impeachment going for a long time now. It should be obvious by now that 2017 was too soon. Something could learned by extrapolating from 2017 into 2018 at least.

[uponit7771]

9. +1, down into the low 30s to high 20s then their would be support for NOT certifying his cheating ..

... in congress.

People can then protest for a re-election by paper only

[Newest Reality]

2. The entire Party

is working in that direction already.

I am not being conspiratorial about it. The fix is in progress as best as they can: Gerrymandering, purges, etc. It is a concerted effort with a plan.

[DENVERPOPS]

22. The Democracy Doomsday clock is ticking

The count down has commenced to the clock reaching midnight in November of next year.
When the results of the election are announced, Democracy will end in the U.S. and a fascist tyranny will come into existence even more that we are witnessing these past years.

WASF

The entire Republican Party is a bunch of mean, nasty, psychopathic non humans..............

[dalton99a]

3. Absolutely. Because there is no effective opposition.

All he has heard - for almost three years - is intermittent loud barking but no bite

[triron]

4. This may allow the rise of the 4th Reich.

Adolf is smiling in his grave.

[uponit7771]

8. THIS !!!! This is ... MORE ... important than climate change, gun control or anything else !!!

Ideas such as background checks can be supported by 90% of Americans but if we don't have free and fair elections it wont happen ... and it's not ... because we don't have free and fair elections !!!


Why should any pol listen to their constituents if all they have to do is call on Russia to cheat with them or just implement some voter suppression ?!!?!

[Botany]

12. And so McConnell will work to keep election protection and electronic voting machine over sight ...

.... from becoming law. Both Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell knew that "the fix was in" as per the
2016 election.


In the KY 2015 Governor's race the Democratic A.G. had a 5 to 6 point lead but lost by 9 or
10 points with no apparent reason. Kind of like Trump's 2016 "win."

[Botany]

11. Trump used to keep a copy of Hitler's writings by his bed.

Joseph Goebbels: "The Big Lie."

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

[no_hypocrisy]

13. And there's more.

What if Trump could indefinitely rig all elections from this point forward and really could install his children indefinitely?

[uponit7771]

15. +1, people think that's too far fetched and its NOT ! Our electoral systems are WIDE OPEN to hacking

... if the FBI accounts are to even be half way believed.

[Grasswire2]

14. all they have to do is botch several states..

..and then refer those elections to SCOTUS for resolution.

It's that simple. And why wouldn't they? It worked in Bush v Gore.

[Grasswire2]

16. VOTER VERIFIABLE PAPER BALLOTS are the only protection.

[link:https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2019/09/10/election-security-000954|

"There are three things that every election jurisdiction needs to secure their systems: voter-verifiable paper ballots, a strong chain of custody of those ballots and rigorous postelection ballot audits. "

Much more at link

[Pobeka]

20. Thanks for that. I couldn't agree more!

[Beartracks]

27. I think American democracy is worth that effort. It's clear Republicans do not. n/t

[triron]

17. What if Trump just challenges the results in several states?

What might happen?

[triron]

18. People say 'it can't happen here'.

That is the problem.

[BSdetect]

19. And here is the real threat:

Russia Carried Out 'Stunning' Hack of Encrypted FBI Communications: Report
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-carried-out-stunning-hack-of-encrypted-fbi-communications-report?ref=home

Russia Carried Out ‘Stunning’ Hack of Encrypted FBI Communications: Report
Jamie Ross
Reporter
Updated 09.16.19 6:36AM ET /
Published 09.16.19 6:14AM ET


Russia carried out a “stunning” hack of U.S. intelligence services’ most sensitive communications, Yahoo News reports. The hack is believed to have happened around 2010 and reportedly gave Russian spies in Washington, New York, and San Francisco access to the location of FBI surveillance teams as well as the actual content of FBI communications. The hack may have allowed the Russian agents to avoid FBI surveillance, communicate with U.S. sources, and gather intelligence on their FBI pursuers, according to the report. “When we found out about this, the light bulb went on—that this could be why we haven’t seen [certain types of] activity” from Russian spies, one source told Yahoo. The Russians reportedly compromised the encrypted radio systems used by the FBI’s mobile surveillance teams as well as the backup communications systems. “This was something we took extremely seriously,” one former senior counterintelligence official is reported to have said. The intercepts were said to be monitored by teams at the Russian diplomatic compounds that President Obama ordered seized shortly before he left office.

[Pobeka]

21. *THIS* is the case for impeachment. Trump's open failure to protect elections.

Make McConnell and the GOP'ers defend the undefensible. They probably won't impeach Trump regardless. But if enough voters are scared enough to see the real end of democracy, perhaps that will drive them to the polls. Fear is a powerful motivator. Legitimate fear should be even more so...

[sprinkleeninow]

26. I concur. eom

[triron]

23. He'll do whatever he thinks he can get away with which is pretty much anything.

[Perseus]

24. I understand, it is getting hard to stay optimistic

Although I have not seen any real efforts by Democrats to prevent the cheating that we know is coming, as I feel it was not prevented in NC, I have to think that Democrats (Pelosi, Shumar, etc.) have crafted out a plan to derail those efforts.

[Crash2Parties]

25. Fallback plan: declare the election invalid b/c of russian hacking if he loses

Red states have already set the stage, with a whole lotta help from Mitch "Russian Aluminum Plant" McConnell.

[wasupaloopa]

28. Is everyone on this thread on the same team?

Why not peddle this doomsday shit where somebody cares?

We are going to vote trump out on this board.