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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:31 PM Sep 2019

This unbelievable stupid mistake by Trump, may be what we all remember the rest of our lives.

With the swipe of a pen Trump ended the nuclear agreement with Iran. Not because Iran broke the agreement, because Israel wanted Trump to break the agreement. Because Obama made the agreement.

I am not a fan of Iran, never have been. This time they are not at fault, Trump is.

With the swipe of a pen Trump ruined years of work by Obama, Kerry, our allies and Iran. He ruined our good name. He made it impossible for Iran to ever make a deal with us again.

Trump gave Iran two choices, Give Trump everything he wants, ( not going to happen) or do everything in their power to defend themselves from a country that lied to them and then attacked their economy with sanctions. This dumb decision by Trump could drive Iran into getting the bomb. From where they sit they must be thinking this is the only way we can protect ourselves.

If Iran does start building a bomb, then what will Israel and Trump do, bomb them? What comes after that?

This stupid decision by Trump is the kind of decision that can lead to things spinning out of control with no way to stop it.

The moment Trump was elected I predicted he would push the world into chaos. The decision to break our word and end the nuclear deal has the potential to do just that.

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This unbelievable stupid mistake by Trump, may be what we all remember the rest of our lives. (Original Post) shockey80 Sep 2019 OP
He does what Pooty tells him to do. Grasswire2 Sep 2019 #1
Exceeding his wildest expectations. czarjak Sep 2019 #4
disruption of world oil markets is probably mopinko Sep 2019 #6
Couldn't have come at a better time for Putin. paleotn Sep 2019 #21
Putin didn't tell him to break that deal. Bibi did, and his own jealous brain did. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #11
This attack works for all 3 dic-tators. Scarsdale Sep 2019 #41
Israel will delay elections because of a drone strike on an oil refinery in SA? maxsolomon Sep 2019 #48
They all hope a war Scarsdale Sep 2019 #49
I don't think he'll start a war with Iran. The real money, the oil money, doesn't want it. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #50
Not so sure about that TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #51
"Assume greater control of Iran's oil"? How would that work? maxsolomon Sep 2019 #52
You know what was just as STUPID? GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #2
+1 moondust Sep 2019 #10
Yes! It does get me constantly that people were gullible enough to fall for this human parasite's.. SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #22
How can they give more tax cuts, especially Scarsdale Sep 2019 #42
Three bankruptcies moondust Sep 2019 #43
+1000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2019 #26
Ivanka claims that she Scarsdale Sep 2019 #29
She's right NastyRiffraff Sep 2019 #33
Pulling out of the Russian nuclear deal is worse Johnny2X2X Sep 2019 #3
the lose talk about the drone attack isnt helping. mopinko Sep 2019 #5
Absolutely True! DDySiegs Sep 2019 #7
Putin Wins! SeaTownBlue Sep 2019 #8
He is a one man... 3catwoman3 Sep 2019 #9
Chump can't wait to push that Nuke button FakeNoose Sep 2019 #12
The international price for a barrel of crude oil will sky rocket... magicarpet Sep 2019 #37
Chaos is coming, anyway. bluescribbler Sep 2019 #13
+ 1000 Backseat Driver Sep 2019 #27
EVERYTHING TRUMP TOUCHES CDerekGo Sep 2019 #14
Bibi played Trump (again). no_hypocrisy Sep 2019 #15
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Sep 2019 #25
Anf if Iran gets nuclear weapons Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #16
Where's the CIA in all of this? Duppers Sep 2019 #17
To add insult to injury, despite constantly blaming Obama for giving them billions of dollars Vinca Sep 2019 #18
WWIV will be fought with clubs OMGWTF Sep 2019 #19
we are in the middle of WWIII right now, with no assurance of surviving it Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #40
Exactly. Iran would be stupid NOT to build a bomb at this point... paleotn Sep 2019 #20
Also further damages the trust from our allies. First, the insane Iraq invasion, now this. Midnight Writer Sep 2019 #23
An important correction: He did not "end the nuclear agreement with Iran" grantcart Sep 2019 #24
+1 fleabiscuit Sep 2019 #28
Iran Does Have a Point McKim Sep 2019 #30
I actually am a fan of Iran. Aristus Sep 2019 #31
I am also a fan of Iran; before Khomeini took over it was very progressive yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #34
Anthony Bourdain Iran Episode was on CNN BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #35
I went to College with a bunch of Iranians Perseus Sep 2019 #47
Tony Bourdain felt exactly the same way BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #53
I don't think Putin is all that happy with Trump captain queeg Sep 2019 #32
Trump can bloviate all he wants. Captain Zero Sep 2019 #38
Chump may have broken the agreement, but justgamma Sep 2019 #36
Yes, I had forgotten about that. Perseus Sep 2019 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Sep 2019 #39
They are making up stuff to go to war with Iran, we must resist it Perseus Sep 2019 #44
He will never consider it a mistake. He consulted with himself since he knows more than anyone else spanone Sep 2019 #46

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
1. He does what Pooty tells him to do.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:38 PM
Sep 2019

So if you want to see what comes after that, in any area, look to Putin's intent.

Destruction of the Western Alliance, chaos in America, repudiation of climate protections......

All as planned. A dystopian destruction of democracy everywhere.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
11. Putin didn't tell him to break that deal. Bibi did, and his own jealous brain did.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:35 PM
Sep 2019

Break a deal, face the wheel.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
41. This attack works for all 3 dic-tators.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:39 AM
Sep 2019

tRump - impeachment will be delayed. Bib - recall election may be delayed. Vlad - his re-election fraud will be dropped. So, what if a few million people are destroyed during this? I still think the US is behind this drone strike. We can not believe anything from this administration.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
48. Israel will delay elections because of a drone strike on an oil refinery in SA?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:02 AM
Sep 2019

The Dems will delay impeachment because of a drone strike on an oil refinery in SA?

Who launched the drone strike for Trump? The Deep State? The CIA? QAnon? Putin?

Conspiracies everywhere!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
49. They all hope a war
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:07 AM
Sep 2019

is pending. With tRump wanting to be the "big man on campus" he will orchestrate one. He already thinks he is king of the entire world.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
50. I don't think he'll start a war with Iran. The real money, the oil money, doesn't want it.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:12 AM
Sep 2019

BP doesn't want it, Exxon Mobil doesn't want it, SA doesn't want it, the UAE doesn't want it, Chiner doesn't want it.

The spice must flow, as Frank Herbert wrote. Iran can and would block the Strait of Hormuz almost immediately.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
51. Not so sure about that
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:14 PM
Sep 2019

They will get more $$$ per barrel, with the added hope that they could assume greater control of Iran's oil.

The US can persist on domestic production, and Europe would have to rely more heavily on Russia if oil from the Saudi fields could not be transported.

It's the rest of the economy that would suffer from the increased costs due to oil prices.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
52. "Assume greater control of Iran's oil"? How would that work?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:55 PM
Sep 2019

Overthrow the Theocratic government and install a puppet? In a mountainous country of 82 million that's been calling us the devil for 40 years?

There's a limit to Trump's saber rattling, and we're about to see it. Maybe the Israelis get the OK to shoot some Revolutionary Guard installations, or maybe take out a refinery in retaliation, but the oil must flow. Always.

moondust

(20,019 posts)
10. +1
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:29 PM
Sep 2019

If there is ONE job on Earth that it would be supremely unwise to gamble with by installing someone with no demonstrated experience, understanding, moral or intellectual fitness for the job, that job is President of the United States.

SWBTATTReg

(22,191 posts)
22. Yes! It does get me constantly that people were gullible enough to fall for this human parasite's..
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:51 PM
Sep 2019

game. I wouldn't be surprised at how many of them we keep hearing about now, that in hindsight, say 'YIKES' and regret their votes. Bring on board w/ the rest of us, and lets save the country together from scumbags like this. The only really big thing rump's done is line his pockets w/ tax cuts.

Oh, and by the way, they finally said something about a tax cut for us/middle class!! I thought (1) during the last election cycle that rump was trying to push a tax cut for the middle class (sure forgot all about that one, eh, rump?). rump butt has been caught w/ his pants down (gross!) and his true intelligence has been revealed to the US public. No wonder he is hiding his tax returns ... broke, paying out the wazoo for interest on loans (what little he's been able to scrap up), in short, a crook.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
42. How can they give more tax cuts, especially
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:45 AM
Sep 2019

to working class? The treasury is draining FAST from the tax cuts for the rich, the tRump family, the useless "acting secretaries" of all the government agencies. They HAVE to keep the gullible paying taxes to fund their lifestyle and tax breaks. Ivanka got $100 MILLION to fly around the world promoting business for women. What advice does she give for that amount of money? Hire sweatshop employees everywhere, like she does?

moondust

(20,019 posts)
43. Three bankruptcies
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:23 AM
Sep 2019

and you're laughed off the debate stage: "You want control of the U.S. Treasury?"

Six bankruptcies and you're escorted to the parking lot on suspicion of being involved in some sort of diabolical plot.

He had six bankruptcies.

26. +1000
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:19 PM
Sep 2019

People who are planning on voting for Trump, despite of all the shit he's done to destroy our country and the rest of the world.

Plus that whole, "Grab 'em by the pussy," thing. How does anyone who has a daughter explain voting for a man who views women with such disdain?

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
29. Ivanka claims that she
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:50 PM
Sep 2019

got her "moral compass" from daddy. How could that be? He has no morals, no intelligence, no class, no qualities whatsoever. He is a bloated, empty buffoon.

mopinko

(70,295 posts)
5. the lose talk about the drone attack isnt helping.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:45 PM
Sep 2019

i'm w you. my first thought was that he was creating a howling power vacuum that was clearly going to be filled by the worst of the worst.

and yes, what we have done to our own country is a tragedy, but what we have done to the world is a high crime.

we are going to need a truth and reconciliation commission to air out all the crimes, and set the record straight.

DDySiegs

(253 posts)
7. Absolutely True!
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:57 PM
Sep 2019

The Iran Nuclear Deal was perhaps the most important and valuable American diplomatic achievement since the Truman Administration (Think of Nato Treaty, think of The iMarshall Plan).
Now Trump has destroyed the Iran Deal and he’s doing everything he can to dismantle Nato.

There must be some way to treat these evil works of Trump as IMPEACHABLE offenses.

FakeNoose

(32,854 posts)
12. Chump can't wait to push that Nuke button
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:37 PM
Sep 2019

Now he's closer than ever. He's just betting that Iran will make one false move - and BOOM!

You have to wonder why Pootie would even want this. How does the Russian oligarchy gain from nukes obliterating Iran?

magicarpet

(14,202 posts)
37. The international price for a barrel of crude oil will sky rocket...
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:04 PM
Sep 2019

Putie will be swimming in cash once the oil price increases. Russian oil reserves will hit the market and fill the gap.

Putie had more reason than Iran and Yemen to drone bomb Saud-die oil processing facilities.

bluescribbler

(2,124 posts)
13. Chaos is coming, anyway.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:48 PM
Sep 2019

Climate change, the end of oil, increasing wealth disparity, and many other issues will bring chaos. The only question is, when?

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
14. EVERYTHING TRUMP TOUCHES
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:49 PM
Sep 2019

DIES

Let's just hope we're all still here November 3, 2020 to make certain we live longer

Vinca

(50,323 posts)
18. To add insult to injury, despite constantly blaming Obama for giving them billions of dollars
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:09 PM
Sep 2019

(their own money, by the way), now Trump is proposed we give them $15 billion in taxpayer dollars to have a photo op with him.

paleotn

(17,997 posts)
20. Exactly. Iran would be stupid NOT to build a bomb at this point...
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:41 PM
Sep 2019

simply because they cannot trust the most powerful nation on earth to keep its word. Nuclear weapons, in essence, are the ultimate defensive measure. The ultimate insurance policy against invasion.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. An important correction: He did not "end the nuclear agreement with Iran"
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:15 PM
Sep 2019

He broke the agreement, he violated it.

Five years from now when we want agreement on something we will not succeed because they will conclude agreements with the US is only good until the next election.

He has undone 200 years of American diplomacy.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
30. Iran Does Have a Point
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:53 PM
Sep 2019

Iran does have a point that it is a large country with many resources and it seeks to have a sphere of influence in its own region, just as we do in Latin America. I don’t have a problems with that.
I urge everyone here to visit Iran and see for yourself the cradle of civilization and its incredible cultural offerings. We have been taught by Neocons to view Iran as an “enemy’ but are they really? In my city we are working on building a sister city relationship with Iran and we have several active Peace Corps Returnees.

Aristus

(66,503 posts)
31. I actually am a fan of Iran.
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:57 PM
Sep 2019

Not their leadership, by any means. But their people. And their culture, which stretches back 3,000 years.

Half the country is under the age of thirty. They have no memory of the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Their young people love Western pop culture, the music, movies, clothing, etc. They've discovered they can enjoy all of these things and still be devout, observant Muslims.

My thing is: why aren't we doing everything we can to make them our ally again? Bill Clinton and Barack Obama made enormous strides in that direction, only to have George W. "Axis Of Evil" Bush and Donald "Reverse Everything That Obama Did" Trump come along.

Before we can even think about changing the leadership in Iran, we need to change the leadership in Israel.

yellowdogintexas

(22,288 posts)
34. I am also a fan of Iran; before Khomeini took over it was very progressive
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:11 PM
Sep 2019

and the women had much more freedom than other Islamic nations. It was very sad to watch it become a theocracy. I agree things are improving over there, and a predominately young population is going to be a key element.

Having a son in law who is Kurdish/Persian has taught me much about Iran and the culture. I do not see it as it seemed to be in the days of the revolution.

I would love to visit it with his family.

My new grandaughter hears Kurdish in her ear from her other grandmother, English from us and a mix from her aunts. My son in law hasn't decided but he wants her to learn Farsi.

I love it

BigmanPigman

(51,648 posts)
35. Anthony Bourdain Iran Episode was on CNN
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:09 PM
Sep 2019

last night (from 2014). I would love to go just to taste the food. He really enjoyed himself and he was surprised by a lot of what he experienced there considering how they have been portrayed.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
47. I went to College with a bunch of Iranians
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:07 AM
Sep 2019

During the Shah of Iran there were a lot of students from Iran in the USA, and like anyone else in the World, they are just like us, they were a lot of fun to be with. Of course they have their cultural differences with us, and they have their religion, that is what diversity is all about, they were good friends and lovely people.

In USA we have the problem where we cannot see through our differences in color of our skin, religion, culture, we pretend that everyone must think like us instead of enjoying and learning from our differences. It is an incredible shame, and it is even sadder that most people in the USA fail to see that all the hate is fomented by politicians, republicans for the most part, because when they don't have a constructive agenda they resort to hate and lies, so here we are.

They sat me with two Iranian girls who were good friends of mine during the graduation ceremony, one of them opened her gown and took out a small bottle of wine, we all took sips from it. If no American can identify with that naughty action I don't know what else. She was so lovely and lively, and I have to say she was very beautiful as well.

I always think about how easy it is to get along when we don't hate, how easy it is to love when we look past our differences, when we take the time to appreciate our differences, we don't have to be converted, and believe it or not, most other cultures are not trying to convert anyone, but it is good to learn from them, there is good in us all so lets learn, lets open our minds.

BigmanPigman

(51,648 posts)
53. Tony Bourdain felt exactly the same way
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:22 PM
Sep 2019

and that is why he made Parts Unknown. Americans are so ignorant and close minded when it comes to other cultures. He wanted to "enlighten" people and show us that we are all the same when you think about it.

captain queeg

(10,281 posts)
32. I don't think Putin is all that happy with Trump
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:50 PM
Sep 2019

He’s a loose cannon, prone to irrational actions. I think Putin hated the idea of Hillary as president, but he didn’t expect this irrational moron to do as much damage world wide as he has.

Captain Zero

(6,851 posts)
38. Trump can bloviate all he wants.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:51 AM
Sep 2019

Putin has his nuts in a vice, and he won't attack any where with anything unless Putin checks off on it. It is not in Putins interest for Iran to be attacked.

justgamma

(3,667 posts)
36. Chump may have broken the agreement, but
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:25 PM
Sep 2019

never forget how the Pukes sent Iran a letter telling them not to sign the agreement. They told Iran basically that you can't trust the USA to keep the agreement. Traitors! All of them!

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
45. Yes, I had forgotten about that.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:56 AM
Sep 2019

And I bet many people have too. We must remind people about it. Yes, traitors all of them.

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
44. They are making up stuff to go to war with Iran, we must resist it
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:54 AM
Sep 2019

And now the administration seems to be trying to find, or make up an excuse to go to war against Iran. Make no mistake, Iran is not what Iraq was at the time, Iraq had no way to defend itself, there were no WMDs, that was a lie, they no longer had a military infrastructure because that was dismantled during Bill Clinton's tenure as President, and we are still there, that invasion was never won, but Iran is equipped to fight, the destruction a war with Iran would bring to the World we have never seen. Whether you are still conned by the conman in the Oval office or not, as a citizen of the World you must let people, politicians know you are against a war with Iran, it will not serve anyone well, it will bring a worldwide massacre like nothing we have seen in our World history. The idiot in the White House may think this is a game, but this is serious business the conman has no idea of consequences because in all his inadequacies, and there are too many, the lack of understanding that actions have consequences is his most dangerous character flaw. He is such a narcissist that he will start a war to avoid impeachment while never giving a thought on the consequences, its all about him.

spanone

(135,919 posts)
46. He will never consider it a mistake. He consulted with himself since he knows more than anyone else
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:56 AM
Sep 2019
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