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Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 05:50 PM Sep 2019

Explosion at research center in Russia

Russian government says “no biohazards released.”
Color me skeptical.

Meanwhile in Russia... There was an explosion at a research
center which stores one of the world's largest collections of
viruses including small pox & ebola. All glass in the building
was shattered per RFE/RL, but Russian gov't says no biohazards
released
https://svoboda.org/a/30167061.html






Poor Russia, I hope everybody can stay safe from this contamination, and
that it really is nothing to worry about


Town/city where it happened, Novosibirsk, houses 1.5 million souls

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Explosion at research center in Russia (Original Post) Leghorn21 Sep 2019 OP
Gee, I believe Putin Cary Sep 2019 #1
Crap. I'm sure those idiots had a zombie virus in there somewhere. n/t Whiskeytide Sep 2019 #2
No biohazard per Putin's government. lpbk2713 Sep 2019 #3
I had a sneezing fit just moments ago. Beakybird Sep 2019 #4
Kick, not because I like it but because I don't. GemDigger Sep 2019 #5
Russia is pretty reckless with dangerous matter. pwb Sep 2019 #6
Yes. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #18
Meanwhile at the CDC... irisblue Sep 2019 #7
"Smallpox was an infectious disease...." That's the way the Wiki entry... RussellCattle Sep 2019 #8
Well, that's some sci-fi Newest Reality Sep 2019 #9
or Stephen King's "The Stand" Tanuki Sep 2019 #14
That's a good example Newest Reality Sep 2019 #17
There was a demon that acted as the leader. Blue_true Sep 2019 #22
That was in the dead zone Fullduplexxx Sep 2019 #30
The Super Flu. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #21
WTF are they doing with all those viruses anyway? world wide wally Sep 2019 #10
Research is one thing...but... Newest Reality Sep 2019 #15
They told the truth about Chernobyl. 11 Bravo Sep 2019 #11
LOL nt USALiberal Sep 2019 #12
lol when did russia tell the truth about Chernobyl ? stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #13
Ummm ... never. That was kind of the point. 11 Bravo Sep 2019 #23
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #32
The guy who supposedly ran Russia's entire bio warfare Hortensis Sep 2019 #16
Explosion broke all the beakers and windows, but the viruses decided to stay inside dalton99a Sep 2019 #19
yeah just like there was no radiation from that nuclear weapon that blew up Takket Sep 2019 #20
And that's how the zombie apocalypse started. Initech Sep 2019 #24
Yeah right Rebl2 Sep 2019 #25
If smallpox re-enters the world, it will find a virgin population with NO immunity ... Hekate Sep 2019 #26
Most of the population has no immunity DetroitLegalBeagle Sep 2019 #34
After the bio-lab explosion Putin and trDump went there,.... magicarpet Sep 2019 #27
well, if people start turning orange we know for sure tRump is a russian zombie nt yaesu Sep 2019 #28
Any mushroom clouds? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2019 #29
Glad I got a flu shot this year ornotna Sep 2019 #31
Tiny update - plus, I had the right region, but the wrong town Leghorn21 Sep 2019 #33
'fess up -- that's a sharpie mark on that map! Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #36
Read The Demon in the Freezer by Richard Preston Poiuyt Sep 2019 #35

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
5. Kick, not because I like it but because I don't.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 05:59 PM
Sep 2019

Russia is having a whole lot of bad luck lately. It's unfortunate that their bad luck affects the planet.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
6. Russia is pretty reckless with dangerous matter.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:01 PM
Sep 2019

Chernobyl , the nuclear missile a few weeks ago blew up in the atmosphere and now Bio chemicals? Putins Russia is dangerous to the world often, lately.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
18. Yes.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:31 PM
Sep 2019
Russia is pretty reckless with dangerous matter.


They keep re-electing Putin and allow him free rein...'dangerous matter.'

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
8. "Smallpox was an infectious disease...." That's the way the Wiki entry...
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:02 PM
Sep 2019

....for Smallpox begins, in the past tense. One of the great accomplishments of modern medicine is the eradication of this terrible disease. Keeping the virus alive in a laboratory setting means keeping faith with the public that it never gets out in the public again. Lets hope that Russia's infectious disease control response is up to the task.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
9. Well, that's some sci-fi
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:09 PM
Sep 2019

material there. Andromeda Strain?

That sounds like a full breech of containment with the explosion jettisoning whatever was in there.

Now, what was in that facility? The world's largest collection? Does that include bio-weapon grade materials?

Talk about a vector, this sounds like it could be Pandora's Epidemic Box.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
14. or Stephen King's "The Stand"
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:23 PM
Sep 2019

Apparently CBS All Access is filming a new miniseries of The Stand. Pretty timely.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
17. That's a good example
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:29 PM
Sep 2019

Ah, wasn't there a Trump-like President character in that one, also? I am a bit fuzzy on that now. Been a long time.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
21. The Super Flu.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:37 PM
Sep 2019

Love SK. When I first read that book, I Had The Flu! Scared the heck out of me.

Thanks for the heads up about the new miniseries, Tanuki. Timely.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
15. Research is one thing...but...
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:26 PM
Sep 2019

There are facilities in many places that research or contain weaponized viruses, etc. Many countries have them.

Compliance with the agreement, as well as the fate of the former Soviet bio-agents and facilities, is still mostly undocumented.[14] Leitenberg and Zilinskas, in The Soviet Biological Weapons Program: A History (2012), state flatly that "In March 1992...Yeltsin acknowledged the existence of an illegal BW program in the former Soviet Union and ordered it to be dissolved. His decree was, however, not obeyed."[15] They conclude that "In hindsight, we know that with the ultimate failure of the... [negotiations] process and the continued Russian refusal to open the... facilities to the present day, neither the Yeltsin or Putin administrations ever carried out 'a visible campaign to dismantle once and for all' the residual elements of the Soviet BW program".[16]

1990-1999: Specimens of deadly bacteria and viruses were stolen from western laboratories and delivered by Aeroflot planes to support the Russian biological weapons program. At least one of the pilots was a Russian Foreign Intelligence Service officer".[17] At least two agents died, presumably from the transported pathogens[17]

2000-2009: The academician, "A.S.", proposed a new biological warfare program, called the "Biological Shield of Russia" to president Vladimir Putin. The program reportedly includes institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences from Pushchino[4]


I don't know how many of these are currently active, but here is a list of facilities in Russia:

Biopreparat (18 labs, test sites, and production centers)
Stepnagorsk Scientific and Technical Institute for Microbiology, Stepnogorsk, northern Kazakhstan
Institute of Ultra Pure Biochemical Preparations, Leningrad, a weaponized plague center
Vector State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology (VECTOR), a weaponized smallpox center
Institute of Applied Biochemistry, Omutninsk
Kirov bioweapons production facility, Kirov, Kirov Oblast
Zagorsk smallpox production facility, Zagorsk Today Virological Center NIIM (Scientific research institute) Russian Defense Ministry in Sergiyev Posad.
Berdsk bioweapons production facility, Berdsk
Bioweapons research facility, Obolensk
Sverdlovsk bioweapons production facility (Military Compound 19), Sverdlovsk, a weaponized anthrax center
Aralsk-7, Vozrozhdeniya (Renaissance) Island, Aral Sea, this BW test site was built here and on neighboring Komsomolskiy Island in 1954
Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services
Project Bonfire, development of antibiotic-resistant microbial strains
Project Factor, creation of microbial weapons with new properties of high virulence, improved stability, and new clinical syndromes


Some of the agents involved are at the end of the wiki article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. The guy who supposedly ran Russia's entire bio warfare
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:27 PM
Sep 2019

program defected to the U.S. in the 1990s and wrote a book published in 2000 about it. Apparently Alibek doesn't do open social media, too bad. Here's a link to the NCBI/NIH'S review, which gives it four stars out of four.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116867/

Alibek refers to Biopreparat as “our Manhattan project.” “The Soviet Government decided that the best agents were those for which there was no known cure. This shaped the entire course of our program and thrust us into a never-ending race against the medical profession.” ...

Biohazard is a first class book about biological warfare, whether read as a thriller or as a revelation. Alibek provides mountains of facts as well as insights into the Byzantine intrigues and power struggles within the Soviet system. As I finished the book, I recalled Rudyard Kipling’s 1898 poem, The Truce of the Bear:

“When he shows as seeking quarter, with paws like hands in prayer,
That is the time of peril—the Time of the Truce of the Bear.”

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
26. If smallpox re-enters the world, it will find a virgin population with NO immunity ...
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:44 PM
Sep 2019

I had my kids in 1975 and 1978. It felt really weird that they were not vaccinated for this disease, when it had been so taken for granted when I was growing up. In college I had met a deeply-scarred student from Afghanistan who had survived it -- that is how recently this disease was in the wild.

Back then I read that there were just a few vials left -- frozen in research labs in the USSR and the USA. But no worries! Perfectly Safe!

Fast forward to 2019. Do you trust the word of Putin? Also, anti-vaxxers believe what they read on Facebook, not science books.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,922 posts)
34. Most of the population has no immunity
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:57 PM
Sep 2019

The original vaccine only lasted 3-5 years for full immunity. After that it drops over time. A booster is necessary to bring it back to near full protection.

DoD still vaccinates certain military personnel for it. So the vaccine is in production, probably at low levels though.

magicarpet

(14,144 posts)
27. After the bio-lab explosion Putin and trDump went there,....
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:45 PM
Sep 2019

.... and thoroughly disinfected the place with Lysol. So there is nothing to worry about.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
33. Tiny update - plus, I had the right region, but the wrong town
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:51 PM
Sep 2019
A gas explosion has sparked a fire at a Russian lab that houses viruses ranging from smallpox to Ebola, authorities have said.

The blast took place during repairs to a fifth-floor sanitary inspection room at the State Research Centre of Virology and Biotechnology – usually known as Vector – in Koltsovo, in the Novosibirsk region of Siberia, the centre said on Monday. The site housed biological weapons research during the Soviet era and is now one of Russia’s main disease research centres.

One worker suffered third-degree burns after the blast, which blew out the glass in the building. A fire covering ​​30 square metres was later extinguished.

Russian authorities insisted that the room where the explosion occurred was holding no biohazardous substances and that no structural damage was caused.


(one more paragraph)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/17/blast-sparks-fire-at-russian-laboratory-housing-smallpox-virus

Koltsovo (pop 15,000) is in the Novosibirsk region of Siberia - X marks the (general) (blurry) spot

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
35. Read The Demon in the Freezer by Richard Preston
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 10:12 PM
Sep 2019

Nonfiction book that reads like a suspense novel. Trust me--you don't want to catch smallpox.

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