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Maraya1969

(22,461 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 05:51 AM Sep 2019

ONE ARREST or ONE LARGE FINE and Trump's power will shrink

See how fast their little asses get in those chairs if one of them is hauled off to jail. See how many try and filibuster once Lewandowsky is arrested for lying to congress!

At this point I believe that Congress is complicit in allowing Trump to break the law by not enforcing all of congresses DUTIES to the United States and the Constitution!

The 2 that didn't show up today for the hearings should have been picked up by the sergeant at arms.

After all, if Trump can get away with this for previous employees then why couldn't he get away with it for anyone on trial or set as a witness? He will most likely try this with the Southern District of NY although I believe they will use their own power in a way that our Congress seems to be afraid to do.

It's either that or allow the fucking president to run this country like Putin's Russia!


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ONE ARREST or ONE LARGE FINE and Trump's power will shrink (Original Post) Maraya1969 Sep 2019 OP
You're absolutely right, Maraya! ElementaryPenguin Sep 2019 #1
We are coming to a Constitutional crisis -- Martin Eden Sep 2019 #2
Will we see an arrest ? DUgosh Sep 2019 #3
No, we won't see an arrest under Barr. Fines are much faster than ehrnst Sep 2019 #12
Yes, 100% with you Perseus Sep 2019 #4
They could be held in contempt of Congress only one problem. gordianot Sep 2019 #5
Who processes the fines? And what will it look like if Barr refuses a contempt of Congress request? Maraya1969 Sep 2019 #14
K&R BlueJac Sep 2019 #6
AG Barr is in charge of who gets arrested Alpeduez21 Sep 2019 #7
And if they are fined? SayItLoud Sep 2019 #9
Many posts are demanding NOTHING LESS than a perp walk... ehrnst Sep 2019 #11
SDNY greymattermom Sep 2019 #8
How? Cohen and Manafort were fined AND went to prison. That didn't shrink his power. ehrnst Sep 2019 #10
And our candidates for all federal offices gibraltar72 Sep 2019 #13
Thank you. lindysalsagal Sep 2019 #15

Martin Eden

(12,844 posts)
2. We are coming to a Constitutional crisis --
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 07:00 AM
Sep 2019

-- absolutely necessary to preserve the rule of law and separation of powers.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. No, we won't see an arrest under Barr. Fines are much faster than
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:54 AM
Sep 2019

criminal charges that could take years even with an ethical AG.

The base didn't pay Cohen and Manafort's fines.

Maraya1969

(22,461 posts)
14. Who processes the fines? And what will it look like if Barr refuses a contempt of Congress request?
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:28 PM
Sep 2019

Isn't that against the law?

The Dems cannot stand around while Barr ignores the rule of law. We are a group of very smart people. Something can be figured out.

SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
9. And if they are fined?
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:20 AM
Sep 2019

Say $5,000 per day is Barr in charge of that accruing fine as well? Fining these scumbags will force them into a lot of costly legal and personal problems. Putting lien on their homes, salaries, bank accounts will freeze them financially. Hiring lawyers to fight the fines will ding them deeply and tRUMP can't have us taxpayers pay for all their legal defenses. Just sayin.. there's away around Barr as I see it.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Many posts are demanding NOTHING LESS than a perp walk...
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:52 AM
Sep 2019

Because apparently fining isn't enough red meat for them.

I agree, fining them much, much faster and effective at getting their attention than pursuing criminal charges that could take years.

Good luck trying to explain that to people who think anything less than ARREST THEM NOW is "cowardice" on the part of Congress.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. How? Cohen and Manafort were fined AND went to prison. That didn't shrink his power.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:45 AM
Sep 2019

What is it that congress can do, but is 'afraid' to do that is going to "shrink his power?"

I don't think that the mistake equating anything will make us cheer and say FUCK YEAH!! with something that will have the effect that we expect it will have is positive.

Cohen taking a plea and getting less time didn't make me cheer, but I believe that what he's turning over will do far more damage to Trump in the long run that simply locking him up and throwing away the key, however gratifying that may have been.

gibraltar72

(7,498 posts)
13. And our candidates for all federal offices
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:37 AM
Sep 2019

need to be clear no enabler of the crimes will walk free. This might shake loose a whistleblower or three and might be a deterrent when asked to break the law.

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