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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid Iran launch the missile strike against SA? Dunno. But let me tell you a story.
Not too long ago, I was flying over the remote desert Southwest on a nice day. The A320 I was flying was at 34000 feet, our GPS navigation was primary and the airplane was happy with it. The accuracy, calculated by the constant comparison of all of our nav systems, was 10 meters.
As we approached one of our nav fixes, I noticed something odd. The airplane began drifting right of the course. A check of all the systems showed nothing but green. The calculated accuracy remained at 10 meters. It soon became obvious that we were going to miss the fix by several miles. Everything was still all green.
I called ATC to give them a heads up. They said it was no problem and they knew about a scheduled temporary GPS system anomaly in the area and that we could switch to manual navigation if we wanted to. So we switched to the old fashioned way of navigating using VOR signals. Its not nearly as accurate as GPS, but perfectly fine for enroute navigation.
Notably, ATC did NOT want to talk about the anomaly. In retrospect, it was obviously a military test. The A320 has multiple redundant checks to prevent a degradation of GPS from going undetected by the airplane. It didnt detect this; it just started flying off in a direction that someone else wanted us to gountil I intervened.
So here is the point: The photos of the missile/drone strikes show that they were extremely accurate. Certainly well within 10 meters. That tells me they were probably using GPS. The US military owns and operates the GPS system and they have demonstrated that they can actually spoof the signal in certain areas if they choose to.
So, if these strikes were guided using GPS, which I think is likely, why didnt they spoof the signal? I have questions.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Didn't take long to fix, so the damage was no where near the
original assessment. Weird. Anything's possible.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Storage Tanks that took the most of the hits. And several pumping Stations near the Tanks.
Sounds like if they got this thing up and running,none of the Cracking Towers were damaged,which would take months to repair. One photo showed empty Storage Tanks that were not damaged which will no doubt be used within hours once the Pump and Lines are cobbled together.
Funny we have not heard about Worker Casualty Counts.
malaise
(268,950 posts)Guess someone thought it would help Bibi.
jpak
(41,757 posts)GLONASS and Galileo, respectively.
And there are a lot commercially available receivers for these...
5X
(3,972 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)As always, look at who benefits.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)nt
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)I dont believe the gps knows who is receiving a signal so I dont see how they block it. But I could be wrong.
I know the military can degrade the signal in time of war. Hence the test.
cornball 24
(1,475 posts)be involved. However, there are other scenarios that seem plausible, several mentioned here.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)It could and would be spoofed?
Besides that you think the US would be spoofing over SA territory? An ally?
They probably used Glonass or Galileo or their own INS.
mn9driver
(4,424 posts)And they may be able to spoof other GPS systems as well. At the very least they have the capability to jam GPS and other SATNAV systems in a certain area.
Iranian cruise missiles can of course rely on onboard INS systems, and they are pretty accurate when limited to that. But in my experience, INS by itself is not this accurate:
Aside from GPS, the only system I know of that could produce that kind of pinpoint precision is a laser designator, which would require a team on the ground, in line of sight to the targets.
Im not claiming we set this up or that we let it happen, but I do have questions. These impact points seem way too precise.