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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:03 PM Sep 2019

The Con needed Bibi partnership to start war...?

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1174319898933305347.html

One aspect of Netanyahu failing to secure victory in Israel yesterday is that it'll be weeks before Israel has a stable elected government that could assent to a coalition-based military action against Iran, and of course if Netanyahu isn't PM, that assent may never come at all.
1/ Indeed, we mustn't exclude the possibility that the reason Trump is deciding to respond to the attack on the Saudi oil refinery with higher sanctions on Iran rather than a military strike (or more) is because he no longer has a clear coalition partner in Israel he can rely on.
2/ Right now Lindsey Graham is on CNN implying he's surprised that *sanctions* are the response Trump is making, and that he understands a coalition may be being built for military action. All this seems to confirm that the Israeli election just had a profound effect on America.
3/ Proof of Conspiracy documents how Netanyahu was critical to the geopolitical conspiracy that aided Trump's election. Without Netanyahu, Trump is differently situated, as some of the value heading to Russia, Saudi Arabia, and UAE in the "grand bargain" was to come from Israel.
4/ It's not clear that Benny Gantz (who could end up as Israel's Prime Minister) would take the same approach to holding war-planning sessions with the UAE, or sharing military technology with the Saudis, or floating a trilateral defense pact with Russia, or supporting a new GCC.
5/ Trump's ability to publicly partner with MBS of Saudi Arabia without the "reputation laundering" provided by Israel also partnering with him is minimal following MBS having assassinated a Washington Post journalist. So there's a chance the Red Sea Conspiracy could fall apart.
6/ On the other hand, Trump's pride and hatred of Obama will prevent him from doing the *right* thing, which is re-entering the Iran nuclear deal, so it's not clear how he gets himself out of this without *some* sort of military action. These new sanctions are a stalling tactic.
7/ Trump's foreign policy was based on the assumption the Red Sea co-conspirators could all, in their individual countries, assure their reelection perpetually via legal or illegal means. I imagine he believed the Saudis would interfere with the Israeli election to aid Netanyahu.
8/ (I say this because there is some evidence to suggest that the Saudis interfered with the *last* Israeli election to aid Netanyahu, albeit unsuccessfully because Netanyahu was not able to form a government, which circumstance led to yesterday's "do-over" election.)
9/ While the Arab party in Israel has never been part of a coalition government, it shocked Israel by winning more seats than ever, which raises a question: if it was Gantz's only way of securing a majority, would/could he partner with them, or vice versa? How would Israel react?
10/ To be clear, I'm not saying that'll happen. I'm saying whoever the Israeli president picks to get first shot at forming a government has 6 weeks to do it, and no clear path. Gantz seems to have more options and an argument he deserves the first shot, but *how* would he do it?
NOTE/ If any Americans reading this wonder why I'm going on about the recent Israeli election, it's because how Israel forms its government over the next 8 weeks may well determine whether America enters its most ill-advised war since Vietnam. In other words, this is everything.
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Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Thanks for the story.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:27 PM
Sep 2019

Read a similiar story Monday in our local Right Wing Rag owned by Sheldon Adelson. Gist being,Bibi was Locked and Loaded to start a War in his backyard.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
2. I only know that Seth is not a billionaire...anything else today is propaganda
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:19 AM
Sep 2019

Miriam Adelson: ‘Sara Netanyahu Told Me if Iran Wipes Out Israel, It Would Be My Fault’
Israel Hayom publisher speaks to police as part of the investigation into the suspicion that PM Netanyahu offered benefits in exchange for positive news coverage


https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-netanyahu-sara-miriam-adelson-iran-israel-nuclear-screaming-1.7804101

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Same slightly reworded story
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
Sep 2019

last Saturday on the opinion page of Adelson's Propaganda Rag. Notice Bibi is working Gantz to form a Government with Bibi being the head.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
5. And Gantz is not willing to let Bibi lead...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:22 PM
Sep 2019

I agree with Seth that the next several weeks of wrangling between these two factions will determine the severity of the reaction to Iran.

I am seriously questioning everything I read today, due to ramping up of fake news surrounding elections worldwide and the importance of global political corruption...

I appreciate your input in this process.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. Since my post,things are going a different
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:30 PM
Sep 2019

direction. Namely the End Timer Twins(Pence and Pompeo)have suddenly are saying,maybe we should seek diplomatic solutions.

Ah,okay,Bibi is not available to join your Collation of the willing that would Bomb bomb Iran.

Rumsfeld was a member of the End Timers also.

Sorry,you just can not fix the STUPID.

Xi will get those 96 million Barrels of Oil one way or another. And if it means breaking the US economy,so be it.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
6. Abramson is a best selling author, a university professor of journalism,
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:24 PM
Sep 2019

And a awarded investigative journalist...

Your bias is unwarranted and truly questionable.?

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
8. What bias? I read Seth several times a day. I was bothered that he wasn't given credit in the OP.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:30 PM
Sep 2019

A lot of people won't go to the source, so they would never see who wrote the thread in the unroll. I recommend Seth to everyone, and it was an attempt to let people know who to credit for the thread--and to indicate that he is worth reading it they are not already doing so.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
10. They should get Trump to sign the same exact deal but with a different title:
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:41 AM
Sep 2019

"Donald Trump's Super Bigly Strong and Very Tough Agreement That Makes America Win Not Like That Weak Agreement Loser Obama Made"

He'd sign it in an instant :p

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