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Laura Rozen reporting Trump called Ukrainian president Zelensky (Original Post) NewJeffCT Sep 2019 OP
I don't think this is it. We will see. triron Sep 2019 #1
That could be an entirely separate scandal NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #2
yes elleng Sep 2019 #8
Exactly lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #19
but they have 1500 unchallenged radio stations to make sure there will always be a double standard certainot Sep 2019 #24
I agree fully. Drive around the country, try to KPN Sep 2019 #25
Public News Service jayschool2013 Sep 2019 #29
i'd like to think there was a way to compete with that monopoly propaganda operation or certainot Sep 2019 #30
If true, ... sal2019 Sep 2019 #3
See Rolling Stone Article from September 7 ritapria Sep 2019 #4
Sounds like a promise. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2019 #7
Worse than Richard Nixon. Baitball Blogger Sep 2019 #5
Holy Shit - this could be it malaise Sep 2019 #6
sounds like something Rump would do. Revenge anger trueblue2007 Sep 2019 #9
I think this might be related to it, but not it. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2019 #10
That could be part of it NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #11
Furthered by this newest reporting by the New York Times Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2019 #14
that's sounds pretty Trumpian NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #15
agree, he has been very busy committing crimes, just wish he couldn't do it with impunity. nt yaesu Sep 2019 #18
It's multiple acts according to NYT. triron Sep 2019 #21
Isn't this old news? milestogo Sep 2019 #12
I think the fact that it's being investigated NewJeffCT Sep 2019 #13
I expect the whistleblower has cached evidence (recording?) or else would have kept quiet. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #23
The Mud is getting clearer... MartyTheGreek Sep 2019 #16
Art of the Steal2020 - Multiple incidents of horse trading bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #17
Nixon, Reagan, Trump... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #20
but we already know this JI7 Sep 2019 #22
We knew what Giuliani was doing. Don't think we knew Trump himself pressured the Ukrainian president highplainsdem Sep 2019 #27
Busy stealing another national election in plain site. KPN Sep 2019 #26
But we already knew this. I do not recall when I read this--but not too long ago. sorry. riversedge Sep 2019 #28
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
24. but they have 1500 unchallenged radio stations to make sure there will always be a double standard
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 04:57 PM
Sep 2019

that's what's s so stupid about all of this - it keeps happening over and over and 'left' doesn't get it. all other major media - TV, social media, print, internet- is a wash, part of the free speech spectrum in a democracy. talk radio is the only medium where they have complete dominance - and it is ignored and the MSM and political leadership give a few hundred think tank coordinated liars way too much political weight just because they are loud and coordinated and it is excluded from the activism that would force media to monotor, factor, acknowledge it and poll for it

KPN

(15,642 posts)
25. I agree fully. Drive around the country, try to
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:06 PM
Sep 2019

find a liberal station. Tuning across the range you get literally 10s of RW talk shows, many of them brazenly radical, and nary a liberal broadcaster. They own the airwaves and have for a couple or more decades now. It’s not about demand. In this case, it’s about supply and a continually growing over abundance of it, literally guaranteeing that almost everyone who listens to talk radio ultimately listens to RE propaganda.

How and when are we going to recognize and fight that? Does the Democratic Party have a strategy? In war, when the enemy is operating on the basis of strategy and you are not, who do you will win?

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
29. Public News Service
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:40 PM
Sep 2019

PNS is a radio news service that works to produce news packages on certain "liberal" topics such as climate, health and wellness, and justice (strange we have to label those as "liberal&quot and then distributes them to stations around the country, especially AM radio stations that are usually dominated by Rush, Hannity, etc.

The goal is to get the stations to run the pieces as part of a regular newscast at the top of the hour.

PNS has bureaus in 38 states, including lots of red states.

When I was at the University of Colorado, some of my students produced pieces that eventually became packages on PNS and were distributed in stations all across Colorado and into New Mexico, Wyoming and Utah.

Those stories are a piddling puddle in an ocean of disinformation, yes, but it's a start.

Here's PNS' website if you want to hear the packages and read about what they're trying to do.

PNS is funded by national foundations so they don't have to charge stations to use their work.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
30. i'd like to think there was a way to compete with that monopoly propaganda operation or
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:20 AM
Sep 2019

pester it but it has to be destroyed soon if we're going to have a democracy. just look at the crap happening now and know that all those 1500 radio stations will be blaming the 'deep state' democrats helping obama and clinton with their coup

artificial intelligence-enhanced transcription, which makes it easy to digitize, analyze, and list advertisers and enable americans to destroy the RW talk radio monopoly w/market demand - it's not enough to vote, GOTV, donate.

artificial intelligence makes it easy, cheap to digitize talk radio - the ad industry will do the work once they become aware of how easy it is for activists to record, transcribe, and list advertisers with hardly any listening required.

talk radio is the only unique advantage they have. at $1000/hr 1200 stations x 15 hrs/day is worth about $5BIL/year FREE to them - and the kremlin trolls piggybacking it.. they know how important it is and democratic and media leadership clearly think it's irrelevant. it should not be considered part of the free speech spectrum as long as it is a well protected and coordinated monopoly. destroying the talk radio propaganda operation will help on every level, every issue, every election.

it wouldn't take much activism for the ad industry to get the message it has to start asking radio ad clients if they REALLY want to support the global warming denial, racism, hate, and ignorance

RW has perpetuated the myth that the monopoly is a reflection of the market demand for hate and lies ---advertisers will head for the hills and many stations will have to change programming to stay alive

and it wouldn't hurt for students and communities to start protesting anything trump at the 88+ universities that broadcast sports on 260 limbaugh stations. those schools need to be asked what they would do if the KKK bought those stations, because basically they did 20 or 30 years ago

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. Sounds like a promise.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 02:52 PM
Sep 2019

Could be.
So, add election tampering for 2020 contest, in addition to 2016?

What a crook.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
10. I think this might be related to it, but not it.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 02:59 PM
Sep 2019

In other words, it may have been one of the subjects in the Trump-Putin call.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
14. Furthered by this newest reporting by the New York Times
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:40 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/us/politics/intelligence-whistle-blower-complaint-trump.html


Whistle-Blower’s Complaint Is Said to Involve Multiple Acts by Trump

The complaint goes beyond a commitment that President Trump was said to have made to a world leader

WASHINGTON — A potentially explosive complaint by a whistle-blower in the intelligence community said to involve President Trump was related to a series of actions that goes beyond any single discussion with a foreign leader, according to interviews on Thursday.

The complaint was related to multiple acts, Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for American spy agencies, told lawmakers during a private briefing, two officials familiar with it said. But he declined to discuss specifics, including whether the complaint involved the president, according to committee members.

Separately, a person familiar with the whistle-blower’s complaint said it involves in part a commitment that Mr. Trump made in a communication with another world leader. The Washington Post first reported the nature of that discussion. But no single communication was at the root of the complaint, another person familiar with it said.

The complaint cleared an initial hurdle when Mr. Atkinson deemed it credible and began to pursue an investigation. But it has prompted a standoff between lawmakers and the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, who has refused to turn it over to Congress, as is generally required by law. It has become the latest in a series of fights over information between the Democratic-led House and the White House.



So let's say Trump tries shaking down Zelensky, Zelensky doesn't give in to his threats, then Trump talks to Putin and mentions the conversation and tells Putin there will be no consequences if Putin ramps up military action in Ukraine.

Just a guess.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. I think the fact that it's being investigated
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:37 PM
Sep 2019

and the timing indicates that it may have something to do with the whistleblower coverup

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
23. I expect the whistleblower has cached evidence (recording?) or else would have kept quiet.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 04:42 PM
Sep 2019

But it would fit, that it might be abuse of Presidential power against a political opponent.

Not to forget that it would be collusion. Or rather, COLLUSION. Conspiring with a foreign power to interfere in American elections.

MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
16. The Mud is getting clearer...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:44 PM
Sep 2019

Asking a foreign power to investigate a political contender to hurt his chances in an upcoming race for POTUS. - IMPEACH!

No wonder why fake teeth Giuliani went all radio silence after his visit to Ukraine last summer.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
17. Art of the Steal2020 - Multiple incidents of horse trading
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:47 PM
Sep 2019

multiple players, pledges, hypothetical and actual discussions.

This is another power grab.

Wounded Bear

(58,639 posts)
20. Nixon, Reagan, Trump...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:51 PM
Sep 2019

all were helped with shady foreign dealings.

Nixon with NVN, Reagan with Iran, Trump with Russis and now Ukraine.

All of Repub heroes elected with foreign help.

highplainsdem

(48,966 posts)
27. We knew what Giuliani was doing. Don't think we knew Trump himself pressured the Ukrainian president
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 05:08 PM
Sep 2019

during a phone call.

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