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Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:34 PM Sep 2019

I wonder if Trump's thinking is that he can get away with anything?

.If so, then Mr. Trump is totally wrong. My opinion is that he has made enemies in many of his departments and people who would normally be totally loyal. And he looks around and sees his former lawyer in jail, some former leaders of his campaigns in jail, or about to be tried, and he is still free and unharmed. The very last group you want to battle with is the Intelligence Community. But he has done so. It was reported today, that he wants to tighten up the ship, and allow less people to know what he is saying to those he communicates with..
...I don't think this will work, because that is not the problem. The problem is Mr. Trump.

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I wonder if Trump's thinking is that he can get away with anything? (Original Post) Stuart G Sep 2019 OP
Has worked so far. Sneederbunk Sep 2019 #1
Sure has. Very positive reinforcement. Why not just continue. triron Sep 2019 #33
He believes he can get away with whatever he can get away with... kentuck Sep 2019 #2
Maybe that "someone" will be congress or a judge or someone else. Stuart G Sep 2019 #4
Why wouldn't he? He had Barr, he's packing the lower courts and he already had the SC. dem4decades Sep 2019 #3
Getting Barr to be his AG was his best hire yet Poiuyt Sep 2019 #17
Exactly! brutus smith Sep 2019 #27
I don't wonder at all. His every behavior supports that thesis... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #5
Of course. He thought that long before he became President. tanyev Sep 2019 #6
So far he has, and he will continue to do as he pleases. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2019 #7
Why not? Faux pas Sep 2019 #8
I'll believe it if it ever happens. Paladin Sep 2019 #9
It appears to working so far. nt doc03 Sep 2019 #10
Right he doesnt just think it. He knows it! Joe941 Sep 2019 #22
It's worked so far because, having always used and abused the legal system and aligning Karadeniz Sep 2019 #11
Of course. But there is only one thing that can stop him. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #12
Thank You for your opinion and insight...2020 the answer. Stuart G Sep 2019 #13
The senate will never convict. Right now there are not the votes in the House to Impeach! GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #16
Winning involves charging your base. brutus smith Sep 2019 #30
That just incorrect. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #35
My reaction would be maybe that the ones voting no need to be primaried. brutus smith Sep 2019 #36
Ah, but then the reality of a 50 state strategy bites us in the ass. I support that strategy, GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #37
Whenever I despair, I remember one thing... smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #14
Thank You..a thought to keep us going. Stuart G Sep 2019 #15
And can and will be defeated in 2020! GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #18
Yes...Trump has done damage to himself and his party. How?..He lies all the time. Stuart G Sep 2019 #19
He must be checkmated handcuffed and jailed. MasonDreams Sep 2019 #20
You wonder? Did he not say he could shoot someone on 5th? Joe941 Sep 2019 #21
He would. Aussie105 Sep 2019 #24
Trump's thinking Aussie105 Sep 2019 #23
If we all know this about what Trump thinks,.. than the world knows. Stuart G Sep 2019 #28
Of course it is PasadenaTrudy Sep 2019 #25
His Spectacle will only go... Newest Reality Sep 2019 #26
It's got him this far. dchill Sep 2019 #29
If we don't impeach, trump will have won brutus smith Sep 2019 #31
He has gotten away with EVERYTHING. onecaliberal Sep 2019 #32
That is Trump's thinking, not reality.. Proof?..Well, a particular lawyer for Trump is in prison. Stuart G Sep 2019 #34
With the aid of McConnell. Balance of powers. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #38

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
2. He believes he can get away with whatever he can get away with...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:39 PM
Sep 2019

...until someone shows him that he has to stop.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
4. Maybe that "someone" will be congress or a judge or someone else.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:48 PM
Sep 2019

Who knows? Maybe some foreign leader? ..No one knows the future. If Trump thinks he is immune to punishment for his "activities", I think he is totally wrong. Mr. Trump has hurt too many people and groups in too many ways. He will get his, it is not "if" in my opinion, it is "when."
...And, I think that when is soon.

Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
17. Getting Barr to be his AG was his best hire yet
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019

My guess is that many of the senators who voted for him are surprised at how much he is protecting trump. He is truly the mob lawyer that trump always wanted.

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
6. Of course. He thought that long before he became President.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 06:57 PM
Sep 2019

“I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

Karadeniz

(22,513 posts)
11. It's worked so far because, having always used and abused the legal system and aligning
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:44 PM
Sep 2019

Himself with thugs, he didn't trigger major scrutiny. The stupidest thing he ever did was run for president....and win. Now the media doesn't treat him like a joke. Now he has hundreds of eyes watching him. His days of lack of accountability are over.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. Of course. But there is only one thing that can stop him.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:46 PM
Sep 2019

A Democratic Victory in 2020.

Nothing else matters. Impeachment will do nothing as there will be no conviction and he will still be there. With a big win to boot.

If we do not start understanding that all of our effort must be on 2020 we are in trouble.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
13. Thank You for your opinion and insight...2020 the answer.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:52 PM
Sep 2019

If the Senate does not convict him he walks away free. It must convict and throw him out. Then when he refuses to leave, in comes the police to throw him out. I don't know, but that one would be a good one to watch on live TV coast to coast....
..But you never know, there might be some other way..?? Anything can happen and often does. The very last thing that I ever expected was ...President Donald Trump.....!!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. The senate will never convict. Right now there are not the votes in the House to Impeach!
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:02 PM
Sep 2019

Because Representatives in swing districts know it will cost them their seats!

Since 2016 a good bit of DU has had some type of Fever Dream that we can get rid of him by means other than voting him out in 2020. Likely the shock to their system 2016 delivered. As it did all of us. But even after our resounding victory in 18 many are hoping it won’t come down to winning in 2020. But that has always been the paradigm.

Yeah, continue the hearings to keep people happy. But they will do little.

It’s all about winning in 2020.

 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
30. Winning involves charging your base.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:20 AM
Sep 2019

Charging your base involves preserving the Constitution. And I'm so tired of hearing about the representatives who come from swing districts losing their seats if they support impeachment. They got those seats because people in those districts wanted someone to reign trump in. Otherwise they would have kept the repubs in. To think otherwise is not facing reality.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
35. That just incorrect.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 04:53 PM
Sep 2019

We did not win 18 on Trump. We switched those swing districts based on bread and butter issues. Mainly healthcare.

And keeping the base fired up? Yeah, it Important. Can you think of anything that would demoralize the base more than either the house to vote down impeachment or the senate refusing to convict? Right now we have the votes to do neither.

What would your reaction be if the house voted down an article of impeachment?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
37. Ah, but then the reality of a 50 state strategy bites us in the ass. I support that strategy,
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:13 PM
Sep 2019

But I realize what it means. If we primarily most if not all of the newly elected Democratic representatives from swing districts who don’t support impeachment with more liberal members then we lose the house and are totally screwed. Impeachment is really not the most important thing winning the house was about. Had republicans won it they would have finally got their shit together and finished off the wrecking of the social liberal state and policies they started doing.

That is the irony of a 50 state strategy that was touted here for so long. It means we can win and hold the house. But it will be a house more moderate than the general DU membership. But not, and this is the important part, not more moderate than the average Democratic voter who are on average not as progressive as DU members.



GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. And can and will be defeated in 2020!
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:07 PM
Sep 2019

I truly think many on DU keep holding out the crazy hope of impeachment because they are scared they can’t win in 20. Well, we wiped the table in 18 in a midterm that we usually don’t get out the vote!

Unless we lose our focus we will win in 2020. Keep up the message of what we will do to help Americans. That won it for us last year and will in 2020 unless we go down the impeachment rabbit hole and make it about personalities.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
19. Yes...Trump has done damage to himself and his party. How?..He lies all the time.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:13 PM
Sep 2019

.....Most families tell their children not to lie..or only when you have to..or whatever..
.Trump is a habitual liar and con artist. And Trump is a bully too. No one likes a bully...

We must keep an eye on the prize...2020..that is it, and that is what we must do.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
20. He must be checkmated handcuffed and jailed.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:31 PM
Sep 2019

He will fight, the next escalation and the one after that is already planned. The Reichstag fire and the night of the long knives can be avoided. Slow doesn't seem to be working, lets try Impeach fast. If we need to get the AG first then get someone working on that.

Most multi-million are congresspersons will not go along so we need to get them on record soon, so we can vote them out. Tic tock tick tock A peaceful transition of power's maximum probability will be achieved by Max action w/o delay.

Aussie105

(5,386 posts)
24. He would.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:16 AM
Sep 2019

If his bigly brain thought it was a good idea.
He would not hesitate.
But he would be surprised and complain about any negative reaction. He thought it was a good idea, that is all. Why are people complaining?

Aussie105

(5,386 posts)
23. Trump's thinking
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:11 AM
Sep 2019

isn't along the lines of what he can get away with.

It's simply he doesn't know the rules of being a POTUS or Commander in Chief. Not interested, he will make up stuff as he goes along. Laws, the Constitution, history, intelligent advisors - all optional extras to be ignored at his convenience.

He thinks that if he can come up with an idea, it must be good - bigly brain and all that - and people should support him because he is POTUS, etc.
People who don't support him are unpatriotic, and need to go. Media who don't support him are Fake News.

It's so easy being POTUS Trump. Reality does not get a look in.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
28. If we all know this about what Trump thinks,.. than the world knows.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:17 AM
Sep 2019

.....Yes. here it is: It's so easy being POTUS Trump

It is only "easy" if one fakes the job. Now, Trump "fakes the job" and believes it works. Most know he fakes the job. He has exposed his "fake job"...How did he "expose" the way he fakes his job?

....It is so simple...Standing in front of a crowd, and he throws a large roll of paper towels at someone..What does that say?.."You clean up the mess yourself"...There it is.. Trump's thinking is out there for all to see. watch..32 seconds, here it is:

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
26. His Spectacle will only go...
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:08 AM
Sep 2019

His part in the Spectacle will only go as far as the Military Industrial Complex will allow. Right now, the leash is longer than usual and that's pragmatic. The purpose is being served.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
34. That is Trump's thinking, not reality.. Proof?..Well, a particular lawyer for Trump is in prison.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:55 AM
Sep 2019

That lawyer did work for Trump, I suppose under Trump's orders. Now I did not make this up. Trump's personal lawyer...Michael Cohen was tried and convicted and is now serving a sentence in prison for lying and whatever..Cohen is a convicted felon

Trump thinks he has gotten away with, EVERYTHING

But this movie is in the 3rd Act going into the 4th. The 4th and last act of this movie is where the good guys win the battle and put the bad guys in prison. Hard to imagine that? I watched the Giuliani tape with Cuomo. It is here somewhere on Democratic Underground..

Rudy was not that good on that tape. He looked a little (or a lot) unstable and not together. Time will tell.

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