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It appears that this administration and Justice Department are ignoring the statute to turn over this material to Congress. If the IG or the Whistle blower goes to Congress directly, they could lose their legal protection under this statue. Couldn't someone in the Obama administration who is familiar with and has a relationship with the government of Ukraine, go directly to the source and find out what was promised? They could then share this information with Congress. There is nothing stopping Ukraine from revealing what was said in the conversation. This might be a way of obtaining the information without jeopardizing the Intelligence IG or the whistle blower. Eventually I think it will be revealed, and we will discover that the Orange Crook in the White House has engaged in behavior that is even worse than we thought.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,584 posts)the promised military aid, which they need.
Desert grandma
(803 posts)However what if someone from the House of Representatives advises them that they will get the aid that was promised by Congress. If the Traitor in the WH continues to hold on to the money, Nancy Pelosi should insert the item into the budget bill coming up soon. There HAS to be a way to provide the funding to Ukraine that can't be held up by the Criminal in the WH.
oasis
(49,323 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Trump and his unholy chorus are setting up the echo chamber now to amplify the "no big thing" angle on this. Trump has already done the solo introduction with his tweets earlier today, which boil down to: Does anyone really think I'd do something wrong on an open telephone call?
From Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice, here's why it's a big deal:
The Counterintelligence Implications of the Intelligence Officer's Whistleblower Complaint
Right now we do not know which foreign leader the President spoke with, what, if anything the President promised that foreign leader, if the promise is good for the USs national interest or bad for it. We do not even know how the Intelligence official or officer came to know this information. We dont know if she or he was part of the limited chain of distribution for a transcript of the call. We do not know if he or she saw a Signals Intelligence Intercept of the call because we have that foreign leader under full time Signals Intelligence surveillance. We do not know if he or she was in the presence of the President when the phone call and other, multiple activities that were reported occurred. But we do know one thing: the foreign leader in question knows what the President promised and, from a counterintelligence perspective, it is responsible to assume that foreign leader has a recording of the call, which gives that foreign leader leverage over the President and the United States. The President has compromised himself and the United States to the leader of a foreign power and that is the major counterintelligence problem that arises from this whistleblowers complaint.
Desert grandma
(803 posts)We must get to the bottom of this or it could get scary. If he was talking to Putin and promised something regarding Ukraine, that would even be worse. What is the matter with Barr?? Does he have no loyalty to his country?