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Desert grandma

(803 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:05 AM Sep 2019

Regarding the Whistle blower Complaint

It appears that this administration and Justice Department are ignoring the statute to turn over this material to Congress. If the IG or the Whistle blower goes to Congress directly, they could lose their legal protection under this statue. Couldn't someone in the Obama administration who is familiar with and has a relationship with the government of Ukraine, go directly to the source and find out what was promised? They could then share this information with Congress. There is nothing stopping Ukraine from revealing what was said in the conversation. This might be a way of obtaining the information without jeopardizing the Intelligence IG or the whistle blower. Eventually I think it will be revealed, and we will discover that the Orange Crook in the White House has engaged in behavior that is even worse than we thought.

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Regarding the Whistle blower Complaint (Original Post) Desert grandma Sep 2019 OP
Ukraine is probably afraid of pissing off Trump - he's withholding The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #1
Could be. Desert grandma Sep 2019 #2
Rachel Maddow is highlighting the Ukraine story. nt oasis Sep 2019 #3
The administration's next step: What's the big deal? gratuitous Sep 2019 #4
Well said. Desert grandma Sep 2019 #5
We're going to find out. Too many people probably know already. NCLefty Sep 2019 #6

Desert grandma

(803 posts)
2. Could be.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:15 AM
Sep 2019

However what if someone from the House of Representatives advises them that they will get the aid that was promised by Congress. If the Traitor in the WH continues to hold on to the money, Nancy Pelosi should insert the item into the budget bill coming up soon. There HAS to be a way to provide the funding to Ukraine that can't be held up by the Criminal in the WH.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. The administration's next step: What's the big deal?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:37 AM
Sep 2019

Trump and his unholy chorus are setting up the echo chamber now to amplify the "no big thing" angle on this. Trump has already done the solo introduction with his tweets earlier today, which boil down to: Does anyone really think I'd do something wrong on an open telephone call?

From Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice, here's why it's a big deal:

The Counterintelligence Implications of the Intelligence Officer's Whistleblower Complaint

And this is where the counterintelligence concerns arise. The President’s unconventional approach to communicating with foreign leaders, outside advisors, and others, and his opposition to having these communications memorialized creates a counterintelligence problem for him and for the United States. This counterintelligence problem exists regardless what he may or may not have promised a foreign leader over the series of phone calls and interactions at the heart of the Intelligence official’s or officer’s complaint and whether or not it is good for the US and American interests. By getting rid of note takers, getting rid of readouts and summaries, either eliminating or extremely restricting transcripts of his phone calls and meetings, and by often using an unsecured cell phone, the President has made it all but impossible for officials in his own administration to actually document and know what he is saying to and hearing from the foreign leaders he is interacting with. This places the President, and by extension the United States, at the mercy of these foreign leaders. Right now we do not know with whom the President was speaking to in these phone calls, even as we now know it had something to do with Ukraine. But it would be a safe assumption that the foreign leader was making a recording of the call, as well as having a note taker making detailed notes. This provides that foreign leader with leverage over the President and the United States should he or she choose to use it because they can disclose as much or as little of the conversations and spin them however they want, while the United States’ government has limited, at best, information about the conversations and is therefore operating at an asymmetric disadvantage. The same problems exists for the President’s one on one meetings with Putin and Kim, where we also have no officially documented notes or transcripts on the US side of the meetings. And if you think that Putin and Kim didn’t record those meetings, I have a bridge and some beachfront property to sell you.

Right now we do not know which foreign leader the President spoke with, what, if anything the President promised that foreign leader, if the promise is good for the US’s national interest or bad for it. We do not even know how the Intelligence official or officer came to know this information. We don’t know if she or he was part of the limited chain of distribution for a transcript of the call. We do not know if he or she saw a Signals Intelligence Intercept of the call because we have that foreign leader under full time Signals Intelligence surveillance. We do not know if he or she was in the presence of the President when the phone call and other, multiple activities that were reported occurred. But we do know one thing: the foreign leader in question knows what the President promised and, from a counterintelligence perspective, it is responsible to assume that foreign leader has a recording of the call, which gives that foreign leader leverage over the President and the United States. The President has compromised himself and the United States to the leader of a foreign power and that is the major counterintelligence problem that arises from this whistleblower’s complaint.


Desert grandma

(803 posts)
5. Well said.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:01 AM
Sep 2019

We must get to the bottom of this or it could get scary. If he was talking to Putin and promised something regarding Ukraine, that would even be worse. What is the matter with Barr?? Does he have no loyalty to his country?

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