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edbermac

(15,939 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:31 AM Sep 2019

Foreign reporter visiting US stunned by Trump press conference.

Lenore Taylor
The Guardian September 20, 2019

As a regular news reader I thought I was across the eccentricities of the US president. Most mornings in Australia begin with news from America – the bid to buy Greenland, adjustments to a weather map hand-drawn with a Sharpie or another self-aggrandising tweet. Our headlines and news bulletins, like headlines and news bulletins everywhere, are full of Trump.

As a political reporter for most of the last 30 years I have also endured many long and rambling political press conferences with Australian prime ministers and world leaders.

But watching a full presidential Trump press conference while visiting the US this week I realised how much the reporting of Trump necessarily edits and parses his words, to force it into sequential paragraphs or impose meaning where it is difficult to detect.

The press conference I tuned into by chance from my New York hotel room was held in Otay Mesa, California, and concerned a renovated section of the wall on the Mexican border.

I joined as the president was explaining at length how powerful the concrete was. Very powerful, it turns out. It was unlike any wall ever built, incorporating the most advanced “concrete technology”. It was so exceptional that would-be wall-builders from three unnamed countries had visited to learn from it.

There were inner tubes in the wall that were also filled with concrete, poured in via funnels, and also “rebars” so the wall would withstand anyone attempting to cut through it with a blowtorch.

The wall went very deep and could not be burrowed under. Prototypes had been tested by 20 “world-class mountain climbers – That’s all they do, they love to climb mountains”, who had been unable to scale it.

It was also “wired, so that we will know if somebody is trying to break through”, although one of the attending officials declined a presidential invitation to discuss this wiring further, saying, “Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing it”, which the president said was a “very good answer”.

The wall was “amazing”, “world class”, “virtually impenetrable” and also “a good, strong rust colour” that could later be painted. It was designed to absorb heat, so it was “hot enough to fry an egg on”. There were no eggs to hand, but the president did sign his name on it and spoke for so long the TV feed eventually cut away, promising to return if news was ever made.

He did, at one point, concede that would-be immigrants, unable to scale, burrow, blow torch or risk being burned, could always walk around the incomplete structure, but that would require them walking a long way. This seemed to me to be an important point, but the monologue quickly returned to the concrete.

In writing about this not-especially-important or unusual press conference I’ve run into what US reporters must encounter every day. I’ve edited skittering, half-finished sentences to present them in some kind of consequential order and repeated remarks that made little sense.

In most circumstances, presenting information in as intelligible a form as possible is what we are trained for. But the shock I felt hearing half an hour of unfiltered meanderings from the president of the United States made me wonder whether the editing does our readers a disservice.

I’ve read so many stories about his bluster and boasting and ill-founded attacks, I’ve listened to speeches and hours of analysis, and yet I was still taken back by just how disjointed and meandering the unedited president could sound. Here he was trying to land the message that he had delivered at least something towards one of his biggest campaign promises and sounding like a construction manager with some long-winded and badly improvised sales lines.

I’d understood the dilemma of normalising Trump’s ideas and policies – the racism, misogyny and demonisation of the free press. But watching just one press conference from Otay Mesa helped me understand how the process of reporting about this president can mask and normalise his full and alarming incoherence.

https://news.yahoo.com/foreign-reporter-visiting-us-stunned-060052263.html

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Foreign reporter visiting US stunned by Trump press conference. (Original Post) edbermac Sep 2019 OP
To be kind malaise Sep 2019 #1
I agree he is a moron, but he is also clearly mentally unstable. olegramps Sep 2019 #9
He will not be reelected malaise Sep 2019 #10
Don't underestimate the stupidity, ignorance, and racism of millions of Americans. yardwork Sep 2019 #13
Don't leave out vindictiveness JHB Sep 2019 #16
We can't assume the 2020 election will actually happen. BSdetect Sep 2019 #23
And THIS time... TommyCelt Sep 2019 #33
Unfortunately, I have to agree w/you. nt jrthin Sep 2019 #27
That and the fact they LOVE bothering liberals more than they love their country. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #29
Bookmarking this. Tipperary Sep 2019 #44
I know morons who can string together a sentence. ehrnst Sep 2019 #15
That reporter got trump accurately right. empedocles Sep 2019 #2
Foreign Reporter visiting US PrincelyBindle Sep 2019 #3
We've lived with daily bombardment of "full and alarming incoherence "... Guilded Lilly Sep 2019 #4
We are punch drunk... TommyCelt Sep 2019 #34
yep Demovictory9 Sep 2019 #5
listening to Babbling Donnie will damage your brain Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #6
I wish the media would just report what he says Takket Sep 2019 #7
In fact, they have an obligation to report the truth. I wish they would. yardwork Sep 2019 #14
They used to let them. Ligyron Sep 2019 #40
Once in a while, an unedited transcript of an interview used to appear. maddiemom Sep 2019 #19
That's why we go to websites and blogs -- to get the LuckyLib Sep 2019 #38
I can't listen to his babbling LittleGirl Sep 2019 #8
i have to delete him from my NPR news. can't stand HIM on colbert or daily show. pansypoo53219 Sep 2019 #45
Great read. Always good to have a different perspective underpants Sep 2019 #11
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #12
Thank you! tanyev Sep 2019 #17
"...full of Trump" ?! moonseller66 Sep 2019 #18
Kick Mike 03 Sep 2019 #20
Trump is actually very very dumb Johnny2X2X Sep 2019 #21
I've edited skittering, half-finished sentences to present them in some kind of consequential order lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #22
Of course that Aussie reporter can't understand Trump. yonder Sep 2019 #24
Lenore Taylor is an Australian journalist, so she better get ready for the orange anus' visit.... Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #25
Oh FFS! Really? dewsgirl Sep 2019 #31
Tiger Woods said those fine words last year, and I understand the orange anus.... Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #35
Of course. I should have clarified, I meant the ceremony. I have no doubt he will say it, if it dewsgirl Sep 2019 #36
So stop editing into coherence NotASurfer Sep 2019 #26
Welcome to Trump World. Be thankful you can leave. Sneederbunk Sep 2019 #28
Imagine being a reporter assigned to cover this buffoon. 3catwoman3 Sep 2019 #30
It's quite interesting to see it from the Australian reporters point of view dewsgirl Sep 2019 #32
He has the mind of a 12 year old child who tortures kittens for fun. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #37
I hope he didn't burn his widdle hands when he signed that "too hot to touch" wall. tclambert Sep 2019 #39
Immigrants are getting over the wall with matttresses atop the barbed wire. Liberty Belle Sep 2019 #41
priceless rebuttal video. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2019 #42
Lenore Taylor has just presented an important lesson canetoad Sep 2019 #43

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
9. I agree he is a moron, but he is also clearly mentally unstable.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:29 AM
Sep 2019

What will we do if he is reelected? It is truly a great concern. I am somewhat concerned when I see the what I consider division within our parties candidates. Perhaps I am just being too cautious because of the possible consequences if this madman is reelected. Trump's presidency has been like attending the Mad Hatter's tea party. It is so damn bizarre that we have come to actually just accept his behavior as common place. It seems that we have become immune to being shocked by the daily revelations that we are experiencing.

yardwork

(61,604 posts)
13. Don't underestimate the stupidity, ignorance, and racism of millions of Americans.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 AM
Sep 2019

Trump will be re-elected unless Democrats come together to beat him.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
16. Don't leave out vindictiveness
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:01 AM
Sep 2019

Nobody loves Trump more than people who get high off the fumes of axe-grinding.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
23. We can't assume the 2020 election will actually happen.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:25 AM
Sep 2019

It's that scary right now.

He's going to try whatever sick and stupid trick he can think of (with russian help) to stay in power.

We ain't seen nuthin' yet.

TommyCelt

(838 posts)
33. And THIS time...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:03 PM
Sep 2019

...this trump really REALLY wants to win.

Prosecuting a president trump is infinitely more difficult than prosecuting a citizen trump.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
15. I know morons who can string together a sentence.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:50 AM
Sep 2019

This is something more, something on top of that.

Dementia.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
4. We've lived with daily bombardment of "full and alarming incoherence "...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:07 AM
Sep 2019

without one second of let up for years and I doubt we will ever fully recover from this epidemic Cretinoid Plague.
Character, decency and intelligence in America have been decimated.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
6. listening to Babbling Donnie will damage your brain
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:17 AM
Sep 2019

I've never listened longer than it takes to mute the tv. I also wear hearing protection when grinding metal, which makes a sound almost as unpleasant as Dotard Donald.

Takket

(21,564 posts)
7. I wish the media would just report what he says
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:21 AM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Instead of trying to clean it up for us. They have no obligation to try and make him sound intelligent.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
40. They used to let them.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:45 PM
Sep 2019

But then they realized the truth was their enemy more and more so they pretty much put a stop to it.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
19. Once in a while, an unedited transcript of an interview used to appear.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:49 AM
Sep 2019

His answers defied description. His handlers probably came up with his "chopper chats" to help obscure the frightening truth.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
38. That's why we go to websites and blogs -- to get the
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:15 PM
Sep 2019

unedited Dumpster. He is bat shit crazy and the media does not need to clean him up for public consumption.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
8. I can't listen to his babbling
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:26 AM
Sep 2019

5 year old intelligence anymore. I. Just. Can’t.

I too wonder if the journalists are doing us any favors.

tanyev

(42,553 posts)
17. Thank you!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:35 AM
Sep 2019

I've been struck by how many articles I've seen that directly quote or reproduce an image of one of his tweets, only to follow it up with a paragraph "translating" it. "The president appears to be referring to the policy in which the.....blah, blah, blah." STOP IT, MEDIA!

If there's some type of context in which his 144 characters of argle-bargle make a little more sense, that is the White House's problem. If his comments need 'splaining, make Kellyanne Conway do it. DON'T DO THEIR JOBS FOR THEM!

moonseller66

(430 posts)
18. "...full of Trump" ?!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:36 AM
Sep 2019

Our headlines and news bulletins, like headlines and news bulletins everywhere, are full of Trump.

Those last three words pretty much give a new meaning to an old degrogatory exclamation.

And he and his supporters really are..

"Full of...Trump"

Johnny2X2X

(19,063 posts)
21. Trump is actually very very dumb
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:53 AM
Sep 2019

He's borderline an idiot on most issues, he's a genius at marketing and scamming though.

In a lot of countries you'll have a really smart leader sounding like an idiot on purpose (Boris Johnson) to manipulate his supporters. Trump is the opposite, he's actually really that stupid and incapable of coherent thought.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. I've edited skittering, half-finished sentences to present them in some kind of consequential order
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:58 AM
Sep 2019

Fascinating point. Even well-meaning reporters and editors, in trying to convey Trump's crazy messages, can actually make him seem less demented than he is.

yonder

(9,664 posts)
24. Of course that Aussie reporter can't understand Trump.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:50 PM
Sep 2019

The reporter speaks English and Trump simply speaks AmoronCon with a Griftish accent.

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
25. Lenore Taylor is an Australian journalist, so she better get ready for the orange anus' visit....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:06 PM
Sep 2019

to to present his trophy at the 2019 Presidents Cup golf tournament in Australia in December.
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/The-Latest-Australia-s-PM-at-White-House-for-14455034.php

Undoubtedly the orange anus will drop this line at another not-especially-important or unusual press conference:

This tournament is about respecting the office, respecting the president of the United States

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
35. Tiger Woods said those fine words last year, and I understand the orange anus....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:05 PM
Sep 2019

really, really liked them.

Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoo-Bananas in charge.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
36. Of course. I should have clarified, I meant the ceremony. I have no doubt he will say it, if it
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:10 PM
Sep 2019

enters his clusterf*ck of a brain.

NotASurfer

(2,149 posts)
26. So stop editing into coherence
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:17 PM
Sep 2019

Report as follows:

"At (insert event here), Trump said: (quote his entire remarks, verbatim)"

As I understand they used to report Yogi Berra that way back in the day. Same idea only terrifying

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
30. Imagine being a reporter assigned to cover this buffoon.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:37 PM
Sep 2019

You would HAVE to listen to his ravings and ramblings.

I hit the mute button any time he comes on. Reading about him is bad enough. At least I don't have to listen.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
32. It's quite interesting to see it from the Australian reporters point of view
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:57 PM
Sep 2019

I didn't realize his bizarre, press conferences have been cleaned up to the extent that they are.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
39. I hope he didn't burn his widdle hands when he signed that "too hot to touch" wall.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:21 PM
Sep 2019

Where was the Secret Service? They should have tackled him to save him from frying his precious flesh.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
41. Immigrants are getting over the wall with matttresses atop the barbed wire.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:56 PM
Sep 2019

I've heard this from two different sources who have seen this at two different parts of the wall.

The whole thing is a worthless waste of money and a cruel symbol of division that accomplishes absolutely nothing.

They drag towels to hide their tracks, or use "border booties."

canetoad

(17,154 posts)
43. Lenore Taylor has just presented an important lesson
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:06 AM
Sep 2019

To US journalists.

Stop trying to parse his words into intelligible sentences. Just report exactly what he said.

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