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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:09 AM Sep 2019

News outlets chase leads as whistleblower mystery deepens

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/20/media/donald-trump-whistleblower-ukraine/index.html

New York (CNN Business)

The Washington Post's editorial board posed a question on September 5: "Is Trump strong-arming Volodymyr Zelensky for political gain?" That was the first time I heard about the Ukraine issue that's now front and center in the news — the allegation that Trump was trying to "force Ukraine to meddle in the 2020 election."

First, let me resurface what the Post wrote two weeks ago. The editorial board said Trump had "suspended the delivery of $250 million in U.S. military aid to a country still fighting Russian aggression in its eastern provinces," leading some to suspect that he was "once again catering" to Vladimir Putin. "But we're reliably told that the president has a second and more venal agenda: He is attempting to force Mr. Zelensky to intervene in the 2020 U.S. presidential election by launching an investigation of the leading Democratic candidate, Joe Biden," the editorial said. "Mr. Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine's help with his presidential campaign; he is using U.S. military aid the country desperately needs in an attempt to extort it."

This was an extraordinary charge — and it was being leveled by one of the country's most-read editorial boards. The wording, "we're reliably told," suggested the paper had a pivotal source in a position to know what was going on...

Who blew the whistle and why?

More than a week after the WaPo editorial, on September 13, we all found out that House Intelligence Committee chair Adam B. Schiff had issued a subpoena to Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, demanding that Maguire produce all the relevant details about an urgent whistleblower complaint that was being withheld.

To date, Maguire hasn't done that. CNN's team reported on Thursday that the White House and the DOJ "have advised the nation's top intelligence agency" that the employee's complaint "isn't governed by laws covering intelligence whistleblowers."

This standoff, CNN's Jim Acosta said, "amounts to taking the whistle from the whistleblower."

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To be honest, I can't recall a time in my lifetime where the media was more essential to the maintenance of our liberal democracy than right now.
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brewens

(13,582 posts)
2. Trump is all poutraged over he and his people being investigated over contacts and dealings with
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:18 AM
Sep 2019

Russia, and he does this?

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. Excellent story. Thanks for posting.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:25 AM
Sep 2019

The WaPo has the best intel sources. They've known for a long time we had a mole in the Kremlin, and you can tell by reading Greg Miller's book "The Apprentice" that he and perhaps others at the Post are remarkably well connected.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
5. Receiving foreign aid
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:32 AM
Sep 2019

By threats or bribes is a high crime which can be used to impeach and he can be criminally charged . If a sitting president can't be charged this will allow any future president to ignore the rule of law, which isn't what we need. A president has to be held to our laws or they will just keep on using it against us.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
7. The precendent for this has already been established.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:34 AM
Sep 2019

Iran-Contra, torture, etc..They can do and get away with whatever they want.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
12. Yup
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:54 AM
Sep 2019

W and Cheney made the office of the executive into royalty. It was OK when Obama was president because he was so very cool and honest. But when you put a criminal into a kingly position, you get a criminal king.

He'll make us all bow to him.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
6. Please forgive me, I must have missed
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:29 AM
Sep 2019

something... Why Ukraine? Why is he asking Ukraine to investigate Biden? Why not China, or Russia? It seems so random. Like “Hey, let’s ask Lithuania to go after Andrew Yang”...

TIA for ‘splaining it to me 😬

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
8. Because Trump is coordinating pressure on Ukraine with his boss Putin.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:48 AM
Sep 2019

Putin's armies are rolling in from the East while Trump withholds military aid from the West.

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
13. Biden's Son Had/Has a Relationship with a Company in the Ukraine as a Board Member
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:58 AM
Sep 2019

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but I do wonder would he have gotten that position were it not for his Dad being an ex-VP and possible future POTUS candidate?

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
19. the thing is, "Indy"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:55 PM
Sep 2019

coercing a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent is the issue here

Biden is just the usual Trump INC distraction

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
14. The claim is that Hunter, Biden's son, was head of the largest
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:02 AM
Sep 2019

Ukraine oil corporation and he supposedly did some shady things.

So, Traitor Trump is pressuring Ukraine to spit up some crap.

I seriously doubt anything obtain from Ukraine now will be the truth, Not with the orange horror pooping in the pool.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
18. In a sane world
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:41 AM
Sep 2019

the idea that "king of nepotism" red don--who has installed his unqualified spawn in the White House--would be allowed to use Biden's son's actions against the father as fodder in a political campaign, would be laughed at.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
9. Make a note of that great defense strategy
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:49 AM
Sep 2019

"Those laws don't apply to me!"

It will paralyze all who investigate you.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
15. Thanks and we need to remember
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:10 AM
Sep 2019

The intensive search by the media will no doubt find some reporting wrong or inaccurate. Be prepared for Barr and the tRUMP Crime syndicate to use THOSE inaccurate or flat out wrong reports to demean the entire search for the truth. Including the TRUTH!
Just sayin..

c-rational

(2,592 posts)
16. I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence, 'the media is essential to the maintenance of our
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:18 AM
Sep 2019

democracy'. (Note-I did not use your phraseology of liberal, although I wish it were) Unfortunately, we have a corporate media, and they are a big culprit as to why we find ourselves in this mess.

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
17. Isn't this a re-run?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:35 AM
Sep 2019

If I recall, Trump leveraged weapons systems delivery to Ukraine in 2017 to prevent them from cooperating with the investigation into Paul Manifort's political entanglements with the previous regime.

This criminal enterprise is so large that they seem to be counting on the mere SCALE of the corruption to protect them. Nobody can envision prosecuting ALL of the (Republican) criminals engaged...yet, we must.

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