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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:46 PM Sep 2019

This theory about the whistle blower makes you think. (From Facebook)

Thomas Clay Jr.Follow
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It's Dan Coates. It has to be. Two weeks after he resigned he walked into a meeting at the White House and told his deputy she needed to resign immediately and she did. Four days after that the Inspector General got the whistleblower report!

In addition to this we know the unnamed whistleblower has retained an attorney who was a career lawyer at the CIA and is now in private practice. This lends even more credence to it being Coates.

If he told the president of Ukraine that the $250 million in military aid is dependent on them investigating Biden, holy shit!

In an interesting turn of events, Rudy Giuliani said on CNN tonight that if Trump did do that, it wasn't illegal! Umm, yes it is Rudy. Offering a foreign nation money to do damage to your political enemies is downright corruption not seen since Sadaam and Idi Amin were around.

This is tin pot dictator politicking and if this is true, Trump will have to resign. Trump is easy to predict because he is a simpleton and he only operates transactionally. My learned guess here is that Trump promised to deliver the military goods if the President of Ukraine opened an investigation of Biden. I would bet a shiny new platinum dollar that this is what Trump did.

Watch Republicans the next few days. They are deathly quiet and today Mitch even approved $250 million in election security funds. That says that not only was he sick of being called Moscow Mitch, it also says he's nervous about something.

This is not going to end well for Trump. Make no mistake, the Inspector General is a Trump appointee and whoever the whistleblower is, worked inside this administration. This isn't the 'deep state.' This is one of Trump's own people and the IG agreed that this was a matter that needed to go to congress.

Bill Barr and Maguire are now breaking the law in full view of the people. The highest law enforcement official and the highest national security official in this country are crooks. They are felons thumbing their noses at the rule of law right now. Without the rule of law, we aren't a Republic, we are subjects of a dictator.

**Update**

I am going to say something now that I hope everyone understands the gravitas of. *After* Adam Schiff sent his letter to the DNI to release the Whistleblower complaint, Trump released the $250 million to the Ukraine the next day.

The. Next. Day.

The *ONLY* thing that makes sense given this fact is that Trump withheld that money in order to make the Ukrainian president investigate Biden as Rudy Giuliani said tonight on CNN was the biggest scandal ever.

Once someone explained that this was illegal as fuck, Trump released the funds in order to make it look as though he did not cajole the president of the Ukraine into investigating Biden and his son.

Donald Trump was using the money of the American people to force a foreign government to start and investigation of his political opponent.

That is why they are so desperate to conceal that whistleblower report.

My god, this is unbelievable. He must be removed from office. If this is true, Trump will not be running for president. He will be running to Russia to avoid dying in prison.

https://www.cnn.com/…/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-uk…/index.html

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This theory about the whistle blower makes you think. (From Facebook) (Original Post) mfcorey1 Sep 2019 OP
Everything you said! pandr32 Sep 2019 #1
Seemed like Dan Coates wanted Sue Gordon to get herself out of the way... Mike 03 Sep 2019 #2
Trump is a Traitor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Sep 2019 #42
Be even a bigger deal if Dan Coates and John Bolton are doing it as a team. nt NCjack Sep 2019 #44
This makes a huge amount of sense! lastlib Sep 2019 #62
And Bolton does not fit the timeline. Sneederbunk Sep 2019 #66
This needs to be seen malaise Sep 2019 #3
This is the GOP's "easy out" ScratchCat Sep 2019 #4
My Understanding Is That Pence Has His Fingers In On This As Well.... global1 Sep 2019 #9
IMO, If Trump is forced out ScratchCat Sep 2019 #11
Get Pence at same time, Speaker Pelosi becomes prez. nt NCjack Sep 2019 #48
If he was clearly involved they need to capsize him. JudyM Sep 2019 #86
Yep. Maybe to find out what he will say if asked.nt SayItLoud Sep 2019 #87
I believe the GOP enablers are sweating under Kompromat, and that's why they don't ditch tblue37 Sep 2019 #10
this is exactly what I was going to write until I saw you already had renate Sep 2019 #22
Think how MUCH was made of nonexistent Democratic "dirt"... with NOTHING from the RNC hack? deurbano Sep 2019 #27
exactly! renate Sep 2019 #38
And never forget... Pluvious Sep 2019 #60
Undoubtedly. volstork Sep 2019 #29
Maybe d_r Sep 2019 #63
duzzy! Ligyron Sep 2019 #71
Ba-Dump-Tish!!! ZZenith Sep 2019 #72
Inquiring minds want to know what they have on Graham to cause such a 180 turn. CrispyQ Sep 2019 #95
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #50
With you on all. sprinkleeninow Sep 2019 #26
No kidding. I find myself yelling at the TV: "and we STILL can't impeach???" calimary Sep 2019 #65
That's right. They have an exit strategy and it involves pardons of everybody and wiggs Sep 2019 #32
GOP's future statement: "Once we saw that he had broken the law, we took action and saved America NBachers Sep 2019 #74
Oh God NO moose65 Sep 2019 #94
love that NJCher Sep 2019 #40
Nah. Theres no easy out unless Putin solves their problems quakerboy Sep 2019 #81
Yes. They must be looking for a way to abandon this sinking ship captain queeg Sep 2019 #103
Spot on. TruckFump Sep 2019 #5
Except that shanti Sep 2019 #6
or it's the only incident that has been figured out so far. nt chowder66 Sep 2019 #61
Moscow Mitch Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #7
I guess the question is cannabis_flower Sep 2019 #100
Mark Warners co Chair. Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #105
I think it is Coats, he has shown that he has no stomach for 45. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #8
But being from Indiana I have watched Coates be a political coward a-plenty Captain Zero Sep 2019 #77
Coates was my Vegas bet right away. nt AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2019 #12
i dont think coats, but gordon might be. mopinko Sep 2019 #13
Regardless if its Coats or Gordon ScratchCat Sep 2019 #15
Didn't Trump spill the beans? shanti Sep 2019 #59
Nothing will happen rufus dog Sep 2019 #14
As long as cheap shitty pizza and piss-water beer is available, most 'Muricans think everything is BamaRefugee Sep 2019 #25
I like cheap pizza orangecrush Sep 2019 #43
Pizza is like sex d_r Sep 2019 #64
... orangecrush Sep 2019 #67
That saying was definitely created by a man - LOL TexasBushwhacker Sep 2019 #98
So does Sue know the details that Coates knew? BSdetect Sep 2019 #16
I think you are right duforsure Sep 2019 #17
Think Coates saw it coming, but it's being handled like they are still serving bigbrother05 Sep 2019 #18
Til 2020's election, removal must be the goal. I want him literally running. ancianita Sep 2019 #19
Oh President Zelensky please release those tapes Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #20
Based on past experience, here's my prediction: Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #21
My sentiments exactly blueinredohio Sep 2019 #23
Sadly, I agree. Thunderbeast Sep 2019 #30
Spot on! Here's a couple more... MartyTheGreek Sep 2019 #39
Agree 100% orangecrush Sep 2019 #45
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Sep 2019 #46
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #51
There is so much Delphinus Sep 2019 #106
The way I figure it is Trump figured out a long time ago Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #107
If this theory turns out to be true, it could be the perfect opportunity for the Republicans to dump patphil Sep 2019 #24
Not how I see it Cartoonist Sep 2019 #37
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, and I agree. patphil Sep 2019 #68
That's interesting. I would dump Pence too. Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #101
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2019 #28
Best.Plot.Line.Ukraine-Gate. Case FOR Coats. MFGsunny Sep 2019 #31
Thank you for the dated timeline UpInArms Sep 2019 #84
Thank you mfcorey1 for posting this diary. Lotus54 Sep 2019 #33
I think this is an excellent theory lillypaddle Sep 2019 #34
K & R! nt Javaman Sep 2019 #35
Makes sense jmbar2 Sep 2019 #36
I would go a little further Disaffected Sep 2019 #41
Rudy is a tool to get the base prepped. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2019 #47
K&R BlueJac Sep 2019 #49
Rudy Giuliani is up to his traitorous eyebrows in this.... joost5 Sep 2019 #52
What are they trying to claim that Joe Biden did? Bayard Sep 2019 #53
People say that Trump is dumb as a rock. I don't agree. He knows enough not to be doing his in2herbs Sep 2019 #54
trump knows just enough to slither away without leaving a direct trace to himself. brush Sep 2019 #91
Lawrence o'Donnell said he thinks Dan Coates had written that anonymous resistace letter JI7 Sep 2019 #55
yawn. yes, this is atrocious. if a democratic president had done it impeachment rampartc Sep 2019 #56
Sounds plausible. Hate that Biden is caught up in this, because trump is going to say/lie Hoyt Sep 2019 #57
If it is... Republicans will yawn and ignore it. Kablooie Sep 2019 #58
Yes. This IS the line in the sand that all American patriots of all parties must defend. bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #69
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #70
"if this is true, Trump will have to resign." And therein lies the problem: there's probably no... MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #73
As clear as an unmudy lake DIVINEprividence Sep 2019 #75
How many scandals have been the one to bring down the shitgibbon? cwydro Sep 2019 #76
Isn't it an odd coincidence? Captain Zero Sep 2019 #78
That cnn link is fail. Is there a better link? NCLefty Sep 2019 #79
I copied this from a facebook post and that is what was at the bottom of the post. I googled mfcorey1 Sep 2019 #82
Excellent rundown! ananda Sep 2019 #80
Makes mucho sense to me. Thanks for the OP. oasis Sep 2019 #83
Thanks for this. tRUMP will skate via pardon imo. SayItLoud Sep 2019 #85
REMEMBER: The current prez of Ukraine WAS SayItLoud Sep 2019 #88
When can I schedule the party to celebrate Trump's resignation? Martin Eden Sep 2019 #89
Thanks so much for breaking this down so clearly. Do you have any info on the... brush Sep 2019 #90
Not my work but I will search to see if the author of it has posted anything. mfcorey1 Sep 2019 #92
interesting theory. i h ope this story doesn't just fade away Demovictory9 Sep 2019 #93
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2019 #96
Kick dalton99a Sep 2019 #97
You think? cannabis_flower Sep 2019 #99
I've seen several stories and... Mike Nelson Sep 2019 #102
First: The money for election security is a SHAM. It does not address the issues. Grasswire2 Sep 2019 #104

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
2. Seemed like Dan Coates wanted Sue Gordon to get herself out of the way...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:52 PM
Sep 2019

He may have known a bomb was about to go off.

There's also the theory about it being John Bolton.

This feels very big.

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
62. This makes a huge amount of sense!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:27 PM
Sep 2019

(Not the part about Bolton--I'm not convinced of that, it just doesn't fit my impressions of him....)

But Coates helping Ms. Gordon make her escape sounds plausible to me.

ScratchCat

(1,981 posts)
4. This is the GOP's "easy out"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:54 PM
Sep 2019

All they have to do is say, "sorry Mr. President, this crosses the line". Its so easy, nobody can argue that this was "ok" or a "nothingburger". Are they really going to argue that he "didn't follow through with it and gave them the money anyway" as the defense?

Seriously, McConnell - tell him he's done, that Pence will issue pardons and let the country MOVE ON instead of burning it down to protect a reality show con man with no political future.

global1

(25,241 posts)
9. My Understanding Is That Pence Has His Fingers In On This As Well....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:03 PM
Sep 2019

didn't Pence recently meet with the president of the Ukraine?

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
86. If he was clearly involved they need to capsize him.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:12 AM
Sep 2019

They owe it to the country to be courageous despite the threat of the dreaded republican backlash.

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
10. I believe the GOP enablers are sweating under Kompromat, and that's why they don't ditch
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:04 PM
Sep 2019

him. Also, of course, they fear his rabid base and primaries from the right.

renate

(13,776 posts)
22. this is exactly what I was going to write until I saw you already had
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:46 PM
Sep 2019

The RNC's emails were hacked too, and there's a reason they weren't released.

And that's the bare minimum of the kompromat Russia probably has. There could be personal embarrassing kompromat as well.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
27. Think how MUCH was made of nonexistent Democratic "dirt"... with NOTHING from the RNC hack?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:17 PM
Sep 2019

They had to strategically time the release and negatively spin the hell out of the Dems' email (with plenty of help from the "liberal" media) to make it a "scandal." There was certainly nothing worth blackmailing anyone over. I'm assuming the exact opposite was true for the other targeted party.

renate

(13,776 posts)
38. exactly!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:46 PM
Sep 2019

I can only think of a few Democrats--and they're the ones from red states--who aren't front and center against Trump. There must not be any real kompromat there.

And to be fair, I think red state voters, and Fox's influence, probably do account for a lot of Republicans' cowardice. But not all. He's so obviously, out-in-the-openly, enriching himself and putting himself and his interests first--he's so obviously out of his mind, frankly--that if they as a whole decided to stand up and point out all the ways in which he is flouting the law, their law-and-order constituents would eventually come around.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
95. Inquiring minds want to know what they have on Graham to cause such a 180 turn.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:12 PM
Sep 2019

Or maybe his last strand of integrity died with John McCain. ???

sprinkleeninow

(20,237 posts)
26. With you on all.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:14 PM
Sep 2019

Stick a fork in him, he's done.

Get on with it. It ain't gonna end well for all you crooked people. The sooner the better.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
65. No kidding. I find myself yelling at the TV: "and we STILL can't impeach???"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:36 PM
Sep 2019

We STILL can’t impeach, Nancy?

We STILL can’t impeach?

We don’t have enough evidence by now? We don’t have enough flagrant, in-plain-sight evidence of impeachable conduct BY NOW????

What the fuck more do you need to see, woman?

And if you don’t think you “have the votes yet”, then WHERE are your storied skills in management and herding cats? WHERE’S the arm-twisting talent when we need it???

wiggs

(7,812 posts)
32. That's right. They have an exit strategy and it involves pardons of everybody and
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:26 PM
Sep 2019

an attempt at GOP rehabilitation which impeachment would bring. It likely also involves enrichment of the corrupt gop players, buyoffs, payoffs, etc. Political embarrassment is not good, but tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank can help one live with it.

the only other exit is full authoritarianism and staying in power by whatever means necessary, which is also valid but there's no gop rehab in that, only complicity.

GOP silence = they have a plan

NBachers

(17,107 posts)
74. GOP's future statement: "Once we saw that he had broken the law, we took action and saved America
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:19 AM
Sep 2019

while the Democrats frittered and fumbled!"

moose65

(3,166 posts)
94. Oh God NO
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:29 AM
Sep 2019

You're probably right, though. I have long thought that when Trump inevitably goes down, they will find some way to blame it on the Democrats. I figured they'd end up saying "He was never really a conservative" or some such nonsense, but it also rings true that they would say something like "Why didn't you Democrap libtards get rid of him???"

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
81. Nah. Theres no easy out unless Putin solves their problems
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:58 AM
Sep 2019

They are all too tied in to let it happen in even a moderately normal, legally valid if morally distasteful way.

captain queeg

(10,171 posts)
103. Yes. They must be looking for a way to abandon this sinking ship
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:16 PM
Sep 2019

Don’t know about Pence, I really dislike the little worm. His playing along is criminal though. I mentioned a few months back; in the end who would have thought Jeff Sessions was actually the one with a conscience?

shanti

(21,675 posts)
6. Except that
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:57 PM
Sep 2019

it was said that there were more incidents than one. It may have been the one to break the camel's back though.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. Moscow Mitch
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:59 PM
Sep 2019

knows the Storm is coming right at him and Leningrad Lindsey. Monday evening Hillary issued a Tweet calling out Moscow Mitch for his foot dragging on Election Security. Tuesday the Ukraine thing popped on a couple web pages. Also the notice of investigation into Elaine Chao happening in the same time frame.

The key is,which Rethug is going to break ranks and call for a righting of the ship of State.

Murdoch Media is working overtime as well as every Right Wing Blogger to create a Fog of miss information in order to Snow the Media.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
8. I think it is Coats, he has shown that he has no stomach for 45.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:01 PM
Sep 2019

I think he took the job so there would be an adult in the room and then he couldn't take it anymore.

Captain Zero

(6,802 posts)
77. But being from Indiana I have watched Coates be a political coward a-plenty
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:27 AM
Sep 2019

However I could see he was genuinely frustrated with Trump's erratic tendencies, and I figured this was his way of just returning to being the former Indiana Senator from North Carolina. Or that he got out so fast because they have some kompromat on him, sprung it on him, to move him out.

What if they knew the whistleblower was coming and Coates as DNI would forward it to the ICs? Would explain all the rush by the traitors to get him out of the line of authority for the whistleblower law.

But I hope this OP is the correct. Although the third paragraph is unclear to whom it refers.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
13. i dont think coats, but gordon might be.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:19 PM
Sep 2019

i heard it said that the person was detailed to the wh, and filed the complaint when they returned to their agency job.
that would exclude coats, but maybe not gordon.

ScratchCat

(1,981 posts)
15. Regardless if its Coats or Gordon
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:26 PM
Sep 2019

If Donald Trump said this openly in a conversation in the Oval Office, there does not appear to be any criminal statute that would be broken if either of these two went to the press. "Executive Privilege" is not a "criminal statute" for which someone can be prosecuted under. Trump has no legal standing to sue someone if what he said was criminal.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
14. Nothing will happen
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:25 PM
Sep 2019

Repubs don’t and won’t care. Media will downplay. And we will move on to the next outrage. A month ago people were posting about something being tRumps downfall. I can’t even recall off the top of my head. Regardless, there is only one path available. Impeach, go on offense against Repubs and the media. The republicans won’t back down. The media will, playing both siderism needs to be called out and then they will focus on the corruption. Then republicans will become more offensive and come across as laughably unhinged. Then they will finally start to crack.

To add, then the media will pivot to “move on for the good of the Country”. And the answer needs to be hell no. Jail time is a must, complete disclosure is a must. For the good of the Country, punishments need to be handed out. Including, but not limited to asset seizures.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
25. As long as cheap shitty pizza and piss-water beer is available, most 'Muricans think everything is
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:09 PM
Sep 2019

A-OK!
WHAT TIMES DOES THAT NASCAR RACE START MOMMA??????

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
17. I think you are right
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:30 PM
Sep 2019

This will finish trump, and Barr for obstructing, and trying to cover it up, threatening others if they don't help them. When it's all exposed it'll be over for them both soon. Even the GOP knows it's over.conspiring,lying, and more will come out.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
18. Think Coates saw it coming, but it's being handled like they are still serving
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:34 PM
Sep 2019

My read on him telling his Deputy to resign is that Coates likely heard something had dropped in the ICIG as he was going out and didn't want it to drop on her.

He knew what kind of unrighteous hell would be unleashed on the DNI, acting or otherwise, when the ICIG ruled and he wanted her to protect herself.

Should probably look for someone that Coates brought in from the career IC that went back around the time he submitted his resignation.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
20. Oh President Zelensky please release those tapes
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:36 PM
Sep 2019

Or turn your back and see if a few willing criminals would leak those tapes. Or those criminals could sell those tapes to any American news outlet for big bucks.

I would so love to hear those tapes. It would be such great fun to hear them. Just to hear Traitor Trump's squeaky baby voice trying to be tough and put pressure on that sophisticated man. Or to hear that schoolmarmish (my apologies to teachers) Pence voice attempting blackmail. I would so pay to hear them.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
21. Based on past experience, here's my prediction:
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:40 PM
Sep 2019

In a few days we will be talking about something else, and nothing will happen.

You know, like how no one is talking anymore about the white house ignoring all subpoenas from congress.

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
30. Sadly, I agree.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:22 PM
Sep 2019

When Nixon rigged the 1968 election by treason (deal with Vietnam)...Johnson stayed quiet "for the larger good".

When Ford pardoned Nixon for criminal action to rig the 1972 election...it was for "the larger good".

When Reagan rigged the 1980 election (deal with Iran), Congress looked away "for the larger good".

When Reagan sold arms to Iran, prosecutions were limited and pardons issued (thanks Bill Barr)..."for the larger good".

When George W. Bush stole the 2000 election, Kerry and the Senate stood down..."for the larger good".

Democrats and citizens have been enabling treasonous behaviors by Republicans since 1968! We have cowered under their corruption because we have not demonstrated the courage needed to fight back. POWER IS NEVER SURRENDERED VOLUNTARILY.

We, as citizens, MUST find the courage to apply the necessary tools of resistance to this corrupt regime. We must make it unbearable for GOP legislators (at all levels) to maintain these crimes. We MUST hold Trump, Barr, and other co-conspirators accountable. SERIOUS TIME IN PRISON IS REQUIRED!

Do not vote for any candidate who will, once again, let "the good of the nation" argument delude us into believing that these criminals will never do it again. THEY ARE HARD WIRED to obtain and hold power for personal gain...without restraint.

A restoration agenda is required:

1. End gerrymandering.
2. Elect a Congress that will pass and
ammendment overturning Citizen's United.
3. Mediate the ill-gotten gains of the Trump
administration. Impeach ALL federal judges
appointed on his watch.
4. Life sentences in Federal Prison for
Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Abuse
of Power, and violation of the Emoluments
Clause.
5. Aggressively pursue an agenda on
immigration, climate, guns, criminal
reform and adjusted spending priorities.
6. Liquidate THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION
and the money-laundering banks that
finance it.

We are NOT a 50‐50 country. A majority wants respected government that answers to ALL Americans. A majority want better opportunities and a level playing field. A majority wants dignity and hope as expressed by a viable safety net. A majority does not want to send their treasure and their children to war...protecting oil fields and dictators.

MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
39. Spot on! Here's a couple more...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:53 PM
Sep 2019

Enforce somehow that the Letter Of Intent signed for the Trump Tower Moscow project be canceled and/or any other hotel casino ventures in the works or ongoing since the election. And, any other promises made in the past 3 years.

Confiscate OUR former Old Post Office building and fire the GSA workers that allowed that debacle to happen. Rent it out and re-pay the taxpayers for illegal commercial profits made during this corrupt administration.

Bring back the fairness doctrine!

Pull the FCC license for the FOX state sponsored propaganda outlet. This could have ended much sooner without them!

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
106. There is so much
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:49 PM
Sep 2019

to keep up on - every day brings a new scandal - and it is really hard to keep things straight.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
107. The way I figure it is Trump figured out a long time ago
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:05 PM
Sep 2019

the way to get away with committing felonies is to commit 10 of them every day before lunch.

patphil

(6,169 posts)
24. If this theory turns out to be true, it could be the perfect opportunity for the Republicans to dump
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:04 PM
Sep 2019

Trump is way behind in the polls, and shows no ability to expand his base. The Republicans know that 40% won't win in 2020.
Remove Trump now and they get a chance to open up the primary system to a more suitable candidate; one that can bring back all those voters that Trump has alienated.
It also defuses the Democrats investigations, and could take the pressure off a whole lot of incumbents who are facing difficult races by virtue of their support of Trump.
I think it's their best chance to prevent a Democratic sweep in 2020.
I hope they're too stupid to realize it.

Patrick Phillips

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
37. Not how I see it
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:44 PM
Sep 2019

Trumpers worship him as a god. If the repubs aid his downfall, they will abandon the GOP. They won't become Dems, but they won't vote for those who crucified Jesus Trump.

patphil

(6,169 posts)
68. Yeah, I understand what you're saying, and I agree.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:26 PM
Sep 2019

But, I see the Republicans as being between a rock and a hard place right now.
They can stick with Trump and go down hard, or they can dump him and go down hard.
The only difference is that if they dump Trump they will at least get their party back.
It's a lose/lose for them for sure.
I think that every vote of psychotic Trumpies they lose can be made up from the middle if they are courageous enough to make the move.
If this latest Trump shit show is as bad as I think it may be, then they have nothing to lose.
Personally I would rather they embraced Trump all the way to the bitter end and let the Republicans be branded as the party that followed Trump over the cliff while chanting "Hail Trump, our Lord and Master" all the way to the rocks below.
But then I was advocating a position I think they should take, not the one I think they will take.

Patrick Phillips

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
101. That's interesting. I would dump Pence too.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:01 PM
Sep 2019

And make Pelosi the president. She isn't all that popular nationally. And then I would make running against her, no matter who gets the nomination, the focus of 2020.

If you are the R's you don't give up anything since you control the Senate. And if the economy tanks, you can hang that on her.

While some of the base would be pissed, they would come back. My guess is that we would have to run against Rick Scott.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
31. Best.Plot.Line.Ukraine-Gate. Case FOR Coats.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:23 PM
Sep 2019

Even though it could easily be Gordon, I think she and Coates are too smart to have her in that position, given that she wanted the promotion to DNI and when passed over .... well, you know.

Even the date sequences make the most sense under the Coats-Gordon scenario ::

25 July - phone call from Trump to new Ukrainian president (readout From Ukraine available)

31 July - phone call Trump to Putin (NO readout ... natch)

8 August - Dan Coats resigns effective 15 August
8 August - Sue Gordon also resigns effective 15 August

12 August - Whistleblower Complaint filed

15 August - last day for both Coats and Gordon.

Congress knows nothing about complaint, including contents even after IG "briefing" of intel committees yesterday; Ghouliani was a puddle of incoherence last night on CNN.....

...... and then we know the rest, up to and including Schiff's Letter to Acting DNI demanding release of Complaint.

WE REMAIN TUNED .......................

Lotus54

(44 posts)
33. Thank you mfcorey1 for posting this diary.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:33 PM
Sep 2019

I feel the same way as you do, Dan Coats and/or Sue Gordon are somehow involved in this bombshell reporting from Washington Post.
I, however, look at it from a different angle.
Below is an excerpt from WAPO.

"A whistleblower complaint about President Trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine, according to two people familiar with the matter, which has set off a struggle between Congress and the executive branch."

"Two people familiar with the matter."~~ Could these two people be Gordon and Coats? The current version of "Deep Throat"?
In my opinion, neither one was the whistleblower.

Rachel Maddow has also reported the time-line. Something we may reference shortly when this whole bombshell blows apart:








jmbar2

(4,874 posts)
36. Makes sense
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:38 PM
Sep 2019

Coates is close to retirement and has nothing left to lose except his legacy.

Hopefully more principled folks will step forward.

Disaffected

(4,554 posts)
41. I would go a little further
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:05 PM
Sep 2019

and wonder if Trump not only made the $250M contingent on Ukraine investingating Biden but also on finding useable dirt (whether factual or not).

Lord help us, I hope this is the straw that finally does it.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
47. Rudy is a tool to get the base prepped.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:21 PM
Sep 2019

They know what has been exposed is illegal. Doing what is Illegal is the only way he has fun. The truly slimy base loves it. They've got Barr.They've done this repeatedly. Rudy admits the wrongdoing. tRump throws mud at the Dems and Never tRumpers.

If he is at the center, and Dan Coats is prepared to testify, how will the cowards respond?

Meanwhile Pence makes a speech to drill down the complete hypocrisy/Twilight Zone factor of it all.

"WaPo
By Ben Terris
September 20, 2019
Greetings from Mike Pence’s parallel universe.

The vice president is onstage at the Heritage Foundation wearing a permanent squint like he’s auditioning for a Ronald Reagan biopic, as serene as a married man eating a business lunch without a woman in sight.

“On this Constitution Day,” he says, “I’m proud to report that we’ve also been standing strong for the Constitution itself, with the principles of limited government, for the values enshrined in our founding documents.”

In this dimension, the audience knows exactly what Constitution Day is. They celebrate it for an entire week, and without feeling like the country is ricocheting between crises: no impeachment hearings, “urgent” whistleblower complaints about promises made to foreign leaders, or ethical concerns about the military spending big bucks at Trump properties."

More:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/greetings-from-mike-pences-parallel-universe-its-constitution-day-at-the-heritage-foundation/2019/09/19/64bec090-daf7-11e9-ac63-3016711543fe_story.html

joost5

(421 posts)
52. Rudy Giuliani is up to his traitorous eyebrows in this....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:33 PM
Sep 2019

This thread lays it all out:




and this older thread:





He's committed MULTIPLE acts of treason against the U.S., and is now flaunting it like it doesn't matter, like every time Trump gets caught. He needs to go to jail.

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
53. What are they trying to claim that Joe Biden did?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:33 PM
Sep 2019

I understand there's questions about his son, but Joe?

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
54. People say that Trump is dumb as a rock. I don't agree. He knows enough not to be doing his
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:34 PM
Sep 2019

usual round of tweets, and it's not because he's obeying the people who have told him to lay low because there is no evidence that Trump has ever taken direction from others. But this time they must all be aware of the repercussions not only to Trump but to themselves. I fear these "others" who work in the WH have taken over. What is Moscow Mitch's connection to Ukraine -- does it involve his wife????

There are some who say Ukraine is only the red herring and that it's something even bigger than Ukraine. Does it have to do with the Russian spy that was in the news the other day?

I hope the person who filed the complaint stays safe. I hope we survive this with enough intact to rebuild.

brush

(53,764 posts)
91. trump knows just enough to slither away without leaving a direct trace to himself.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:59 AM
Sep 2019

Everyone knows he's a self-dealing, corrupt, lying criminal doing devious things all over the place but he's cunning enough to sue and sue and sue as he did in public life and outlast his vendors and others he didn't pay as he had more money to hire more lawyers, and then file bankruptcy over and over and over to get out of paying his debts.

Now as president he uses sycophants who work for him to sue and sue and sue to delay in court and withhold information and deny, deny, deny, delay, delay, delay until the media moves on to the next sensational scandal where there's a trace of him slithering away behind another torrent of denials and sycophants like Ghouliani and Barr running interference for him by saying a president can't be even investigated much less indicted.

It's total lawlessness without someone taking a stand, and that someone has to be Democrats finally to stop skirting around impeachment and go full bore on it.

Are you listening Madame Speaker?

rampartc

(5,403 posts)
56. yawn. yes, this is atrocious. if a democratic president had done it impeachment
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:42 PM
Sep 2019

would be beginning Monday morning.

unfortunately, there will be no impeachment, and trump will be doing something else even more spectacularly dumb Monday morning.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
57. Sounds plausible. Hate that Biden is caught up in this, because trump is going to say/lie
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:45 PM
Sep 2019

he was simply encouraging an investigation of alleged inappropriate action by Biden. It's similar to what he did with Steele dossier, trying to tie it to Clinton's campaign.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
69. Yes. This IS the line in the sand that all American patriots of all parties must defend.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:06 PM
Sep 2019

This strikes at the heart of democracy, free elections, first amendment, even civil rights. This is like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are on the line at the same time.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
73. "if this is true, Trump will have to resign." And therein lies the problem: there's probably no...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:31 AM
Sep 2019

proof. Over the last few years we've seen dozens of credible accusations of corruption, sexual assault, etc. on Trump. But he is practicing a lesson that very few politicians seem to have learned yet: in 2019, deny deny deny because you only have to last a few days and the media will move on to the next sensational story.

Therein lies the likely problem with this whistleblower story: if all we have is an accusation, you know he's going to deny it and you know it's eventually going to disappear. We've seen it, they always do.

Look at Northam with the blackface. He knew he just had to hold out a few days. I suspect we're about to see the exact same thing from Trudeau. If Anthony Weiner was in office today and the Twitter thing went down no chance he resigns.

Unless someone is literally forcing you from office, there really is no reason to voluntarily step down in 2019. The media and American people always move on; we've learned that.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
76. How many scandals have been the one to bring down the shitgibbon?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:55 AM
Sep 2019

I’ve lost count. And he’s still there.

Captain Zero

(6,802 posts)
78. Isn't it an odd coincidence?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:33 AM
Sep 2019

That there is $250 mil released in military aid for Ukraine and that MoscowMitch moved on $250 million in election security funds.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
79. That cnn link is fail. Is there a better link?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:56 AM
Sep 2019

I Googled the author and it took me to a site with some kind of horrible auto-play audio.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
82. I copied this from a facebook post and that is what was at the bottom of the post. I googled
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:39 AM
Sep 2019

the first line of the article and it seems that the author of the post is writer for Occupy Democrats and he has a page on Facebook. He is very pro the Democratic Party. When a friend posted it on my facebook, he was identified as a Louisiana Professor. I hope that helps.

This is his profile

https://dalehusband.com/2018/08/05/thomas-clay-jr-brilliant-storyteller-and-ruthless-progressive-activist/

More research shows that the link at the bottom of the article refers to an article about Giuliana's debacle on CNN with Chris Cuomo.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
85. Thanks for this. tRUMP will skate via pardon imo.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:53 AM
Sep 2019

I can't see how he's held accountable for any Federal violations with Pence, Haley (in the wings) able to pardon his traitorous ass.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
88. REMEMBER: The current prez of Ukraine WAS
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:18 AM
Sep 2019

a TV actor and comedian. Last gig? Playing the President of the Ukraine on T fuckin V ! Now president of Ukraine. Sound like birds of a feather?

brush

(53,764 posts)
90. Thanks so much for breaking this down so clearly. Do you have any info on the...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:40 AM
Sep 2019

additional 140 Million that trump reportedly just released to Ukraine?

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
102. I've seen several stories and...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:15 PM
Sep 2019

... newscasters mention this timeline and include Coates and Gordon resigning - and I thought the same thing.

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
104. First: The money for election security is a SHAM. It does not address the issues.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:30 PM
Sep 2019

McConnell is using it as a fig leaf.

It isn't real security.

Here's the short version of Jennifer Cohn's critique. She is THE EXPERT on election security issues.


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