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It's Dan Coates. It has to be. Two weeks after he resigned he walked into a meeting at the White House and told his deputy she needed to resign immediately and she did. Four days after that the Inspector General got the whistleblower report!
In addition to this we know the unnamed whistleblower has retained an attorney who was a career lawyer at the CIA and is now in private practice. This lends even more credence to it being Coates.
If he told the president of Ukraine that the $250 million in military aid is dependent on them investigating Biden, holy shit!
In an interesting turn of events, Rudy Giuliani said on CNN tonight that if Trump did do that, it wasn't illegal! Umm, yes it is Rudy. Offering a foreign nation money to do damage to your political enemies is downright corruption not seen since Sadaam and Idi Amin were around.
This is tin pot dictator politicking and if this is true, Trump will have to resign. Trump is easy to predict because he is a simpleton and he only operates transactionally. My learned guess here is that Trump promised to deliver the military goods if the President of Ukraine opened an investigation of Biden. I would bet a shiny new platinum dollar that this is what Trump did.
Watch Republicans the next few days. They are deathly quiet and today Mitch even approved $250 million in election security funds. That says that not only was he sick of being called Moscow Mitch, it also says he's nervous about something.
This is not going to end well for Trump. Make no mistake, the Inspector General is a Trump appointee and whoever the whistleblower is, worked inside this administration. This isn't the 'deep state.' This is one of Trump's own people and the IG agreed that this was a matter that needed to go to congress.
Bill Barr and Maguire are now breaking the law in full view of the people. The highest law enforcement official and the highest national security official in this country are crooks. They are felons thumbing their noses at the rule of law right now. Without the rule of law, we aren't a Republic, we are subjects of a dictator.
**Update**
I am going to say something now that I hope everyone understands the gravitas of. *After* Adam Schiff sent his letter to the DNI to release the Whistleblower complaint, Trump released the $250 million to the Ukraine the next day.
The. Next. Day.
The *ONLY* thing that makes sense given this fact is that Trump withheld that money in order to make the Ukrainian president investigate Biden as Rudy Giuliani said tonight on CNN was the biggest scandal ever.
Once someone explained that this was illegal as fuck, Trump released the funds in order to make it look as though he did not cajole the president of the Ukraine into investigating Biden and his son.
Donald Trump was using the money of the American people to force a foreign government to start and investigation of his political opponent.
That is why they are so desperate to conceal that whistleblower report.
My god, this is unbelievable. He must be removed from office. If this is true, Trump will not be running for president. He will be running to Russia to avoid dying in prison.
https://www.cnn.com/
/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-uk
/index.html
pandr32
(11,579 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)He may have known a bomb was about to go off.
There's also the theory about it being John Bolton.
This feels very big.
trueblue2007
(17,205 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)lastlib
(23,213 posts)(Not the part about Bolton--I'm not convinced of that, it just doesn't fit my impressions of him....)
But Coates helping Ms. Gordon make her escape sounds plausible to me.
Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)malaise
(268,930 posts)Makes sense
Get thee to the greatest page
ScratchCat
(1,981 posts)All they have to do is say, "sorry Mr. President, this crosses the line". Its so easy, nobody can argue that this was "ok" or a "nothingburger". Are they really going to argue that he "didn't follow through with it and gave them the money anyway" as the defense?
Seriously, McConnell - tell him he's done, that Pence will issue pardons and let the country MOVE ON instead of burning it down to protect a reality show con man with no political future.
global1
(25,241 posts)didn't Pence recently meet with the president of the Ukraine?
ScratchCat
(1,981 posts)The House won't go after Pence on this.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)JudyM
(29,233 posts)They owe it to the country to be courageous despite the threat of the dreaded republican backlash.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)tblue37
(65,328 posts)him. Also, of course, they fear his rabid base and primaries from the right.
renate
(13,776 posts)The RNC's emails were hacked too, and there's a reason they weren't released.
And that's the bare minimum of the kompromat Russia probably has. There could be personal embarrassing kompromat as well.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)They had to strategically time the release and negatively spin the hell out of the Dems' email (with plenty of help from the "liberal" media) to make it a "scandal." There was certainly nothing worth blackmailing anyone over. I'm assuming the exact opposite was true for the other targeted party.
renate
(13,776 posts)I can only think of a few Democrats--and they're the ones from red states--who aren't front and center against Trump. There must not be any real kompromat there.
And to be fair, I think red state voters, and Fox's influence, probably do account for a lot of Republicans' cowardice. But not all. He's so obviously, out-in-the-openly, enriching himself and putting himself and his interests first--he's so obviously out of his mind, frankly--that if they as a whole decided to stand up and point out all the ways in which he is flouting the law, their law-and-order constituents would eventually come around.
Pluvious
(4,309 posts)Leningrad Lindsey's transformative golf game with the Bonespur Cowboy.
volstork
(5,400 posts)Id love to know what they have on turtle and lindsay. Then again, maybe not....
They have turtle on Lindsey...just saying
ZZenith
(4,121 posts)CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)Or maybe his last strand of integrity died with John McCain. ???
sprinkleeninow
(20,237 posts)Stick a fork in him, he's done.
Get on with it. It ain't gonna end well for all you crooked people. The sooner the better.
calimary
(81,220 posts)We STILL cant impeach, Nancy?
We STILL cant impeach?
We dont have enough evidence by now? We dont have enough flagrant, in-plain-sight evidence of impeachable conduct BY NOW????
What the fuck more do you need to see, woman?
And if you dont think you have the votes yet, then WHERE are your storied skills in management and herding cats? WHERES the arm-twisting talent when we need it???
wiggs
(7,812 posts)an attempt at GOP rehabilitation which impeachment would bring. It likely also involves enrichment of the corrupt gop players, buyoffs, payoffs, etc. Political embarrassment is not good, but tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank can help one live with it.
the only other exit is full authoritarianism and staying in power by whatever means necessary, which is also valid but there's no gop rehab in that, only complicity.
GOP silence = they have a plan
NBachers
(17,107 posts)while the Democrats frittered and fumbled!"
moose65
(3,166 posts)You're probably right, though. I have long thought that when Trump inevitably goes down, they will find some way to blame it on the Democrats. I figured they'd end up saying "He was never really a conservative" or some such nonsense, but it also rings true that they would say something like "Why didn't you Democrap libtards get rid of him???"
NJCher
(35,656 posts)quakerboy
(13,919 posts)They are all too tied in to let it happen in even a moderately normal, legally valid if morally distasteful way.
captain queeg
(10,171 posts)Dont know about Pence, I really dislike the little worm. His playing along is criminal though. I mentioned a few months back; in the end who would have thought Jeff Sessions was actually the one with a conscience?
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I am hoping those in Congress are thinking just like you!
shanti
(21,675 posts)it was said that there were more incidents than one. It may have been the one to break the camel's back though.
chowder66
(9,067 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)knows the Storm is coming right at him and Leningrad Lindsey. Monday evening Hillary issued a Tweet calling out Moscow Mitch for his foot dragging on Election Security. Tuesday the Ukraine thing popped on a couple web pages. Also the notice of investigation into Elaine Chao happening in the same time frame.
The key is,which Rethug is going to break ranks and call for a righting of the ship of State.
Murdoch Media is working overtime as well as every Right Wing Blogger to create a Fog of miss information in order to Snow the Media.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Which Repub knows stuff but is only marginally involved?
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I think he took the job so there would be an adult in the room and then he couldn't take it anymore.
Captain Zero
(6,802 posts)However I could see he was genuinely frustrated with Trump's erratic tendencies, and I figured this was his way of just returning to being the former Indiana Senator from North Carolina. Or that he got out so fast because they have some kompromat on him, sprung it on him, to move him out.
What if they knew the whistleblower was coming and Coates as DNI would forward it to the ICs? Would explain all the rush by the traitors to get him out of the line of authority for the whistleblower law.
But I hope this OP is the correct. Although the third paragraph is unclear to whom it refers.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)mopinko
(70,078 posts)i heard it said that the person was detailed to the wh, and filed the complaint when they returned to their agency job.
that would exclude coats, but maybe not gordon.
ScratchCat
(1,981 posts)If Donald Trump said this openly in a conversation in the Oval Office, there does not appear to be any criminal statute that would be broken if either of these two went to the press. "Executive Privilege" is not a "criminal statute" for which someone can be prosecuted under. Trump has no legal standing to sue someone if what he said was criminal.
shanti
(21,675 posts)I thought someone said that he referred to the person as a "he".
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Repubs dont and wont care. Media will downplay. And we will move on to the next outrage. A month ago people were posting about something being tRumps downfall. I cant even recall off the top of my head. Regardless, there is only one path available. Impeach, go on offense against Repubs and the media. The republicans wont back down. The media will, playing both siderism needs to be called out and then they will focus on the corruption. Then republicans will become more offensive and come across as laughably unhinged. Then they will finally start to crack.
To add, then the media will pivot to move on for the good of the Country. And the answer needs to be hell no. Jail time is a must, complete disclosure is a must. For the good of the Country, punishments need to be handed out. Including, but not limited to asset seizures.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)A-OK!
WHAT TIMES DOES THAT NASCAR RACE START MOMMA??????
orangecrush
(19,537 posts)And NASCAR racing.
And I vote straight democratic.
d_r
(6,907 posts)Even when it's bad it's still pretty good
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Is she free to talk?
duforsure
(11,885 posts)This will finish trump, and Barr for obstructing, and trying to cover it up, threatening others if they don't help them. When it's all exposed it'll be over for them both soon. Even the GOP knows it's over.conspiring,lying, and more will come out.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)My read on him telling his Deputy to resign is that Coates likely heard something had dropped in the ICIG as he was going out and didn't want it to drop on her.
He knew what kind of unrighteous hell would be unleashed on the DNI, acting or otherwise, when the ICIG ruled and he wanted her to protect herself.
Should probably look for someone that Coates brought in from the career IC that went back around the time he submitted his resignation.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)Or turn your back and see if a few willing criminals would leak those tapes. Or those criminals could sell those tapes to any American news outlet for big bucks.
I would so love to hear those tapes. It would be such great fun to hear them. Just to hear Traitor Trump's squeaky baby voice trying to be tough and put pressure on that sophisticated man. Or to hear that schoolmarmish (my apologies to teachers) Pence voice attempting blackmail. I would so pay to hear them.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)In a few days we will be talking about something else, and nothing will happen.
You know, like how no one is talking anymore about the white house ignoring all subpoenas from congress.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,406 posts)When Nixon rigged the 1968 election by treason (deal with Vietnam)...Johnson stayed quiet "for the larger good".
When Ford pardoned Nixon for criminal action to rig the 1972 election...it was for "the larger good".
When Reagan rigged the 1980 election (deal with Iran), Congress looked away "for the larger good".
When Reagan sold arms to Iran, prosecutions were limited and pardons issued (thanks Bill Barr)..."for the larger good".
When George W. Bush stole the 2000 election, Kerry and the Senate stood down..."for the larger good".
Democrats and citizens have been enabling treasonous behaviors by Republicans since 1968! We have cowered under their corruption because we have not demonstrated the courage needed to fight back. POWER IS NEVER SURRENDERED VOLUNTARILY.
We, as citizens, MUST find the courage to apply the necessary tools of resistance to this corrupt regime. We must make it unbearable for GOP legislators (at all levels) to maintain these crimes. We MUST hold Trump, Barr, and other co-conspirators accountable. SERIOUS TIME IN PRISON IS REQUIRED!
Do not vote for any candidate who will, once again, let "the good of the nation" argument delude us into believing that these criminals will never do it again. THEY ARE HARD WIRED to obtain and hold power for personal gain...without restraint.
A restoration agenda is required:
1. End gerrymandering.
2. Elect a Congress that will pass and
ammendment overturning Citizen's United.
3. Mediate the ill-gotten gains of the Trump
administration. Impeach ALL federal judges
appointed on his watch.
4. Life sentences in Federal Prison for
Treason, Obstruction of Justice, Abuse
of Power, and violation of the Emoluments
Clause.
5. Aggressively pursue an agenda on
immigration, climate, guns, criminal
reform and adjusted spending priorities.
6. Liquidate THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION
and the money-laundering banks that
finance it.
We are NOT a 50‐50 country. A majority wants respected government that answers to ALL Americans. A majority want better opportunities and a level playing field. A majority wants dignity and hope as expressed by a viable safety net. A majority does not want to send their treasure and their children to war...protecting oil fields and dictators.
MartyTheGreek
(565 posts)Enforce somehow that the Letter Of Intent signed for the Trump Tower Moscow project be canceled and/or any other hotel casino ventures in the works or ongoing since the election. And, any other promises made in the past 3 years.
Confiscate OUR former Old Post Office building and fire the GSA workers that allowed that debacle to happen. Rent it out and re-pay the taxpayers for illegal commercial profits made during this corrupt administration.
Bring back the fairness doctrine!
Pull the FCC license for the FOX state sponsored propaganda outlet. This could have ended much sooner without them!
orangecrush
(19,537 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Delphinus
(11,830 posts)to keep up on - every day brings a new scandal - and it is really hard to keep things straight.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)the way to get away with committing felonies is to commit 10 of them every day before lunch.
patphil
(6,169 posts)Trump is way behind in the polls, and shows no ability to expand his base. The Republicans know that 40% won't win in 2020.
Remove Trump now and they get a chance to open up the primary system to a more suitable candidate; one that can bring back all those voters that Trump has alienated.
It also defuses the Democrats investigations, and could take the pressure off a whole lot of incumbents who are facing difficult races by virtue of their support of Trump.
I think it's their best chance to prevent a Democratic sweep in 2020.
I hope they're too stupid to realize it.
Patrick Phillips
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)Trumpers worship him as a god. If the repubs aid his downfall, they will abandon the GOP. They won't become Dems, but they won't vote for those who crucified Jesus Trump.
patphil
(6,169 posts)But, I see the Republicans as being between a rock and a hard place right now.
They can stick with Trump and go down hard, or they can dump him and go down hard.
The only difference is that if they dump Trump they will at least get their party back.
It's a lose/lose for them for sure.
I think that every vote of psychotic Trumpies they lose can be made up from the middle if they are courageous enough to make the move.
If this latest Trump shit show is as bad as I think it may be, then they have nothing to lose.
Personally I would rather they embraced Trump all the way to the bitter end and let the Republicans be branded as the party that followed Trump over the cliff while chanting "Hail Trump, our Lord and Master" all the way to the rocks below.
But then I was advocating a position I think they should take, not the one I think they will take.
Patrick Phillips
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)And make Pelosi the president. She isn't all that popular nationally. And then I would make running against her, no matter who gets the nomination, the focus of 2020.
If you are the R's you don't give up anything since you control the Senate. And if the economy tanks, you can hang that on her.
While some of the base would be pissed, they would come back. My guess is that we would have to run against Rick Scott.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Even though it could easily be Gordon, I think she and Coates are too smart to have her in that position, given that she wanted the promotion to DNI and when passed over .... well, you know.
Even the date sequences make the most sense under the Coats-Gordon scenario ::
25 July - phone call from Trump to new Ukrainian president (readout From Ukraine available)
31 July - phone call Trump to Putin (NO readout ... natch)
8 August - Dan Coats resigns effective 15 August
8 August - Sue Gordon also resigns effective 15 August
12 August - Whistleblower Complaint filed
15 August - last day for both Coats and Gordon.
Congress knows nothing about complaint, including contents even after IG "briefing" of intel committees yesterday; Ghouliani was a puddle of incoherence last night on CNN.....
...... and then we know the rest, up to and including Schiff's Letter to Acting DNI demanding release of Complaint.
WE REMAIN TUNED .......................
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Lotus54
(44 posts)I feel the same way as you do, Dan Coats and/or Sue Gordon are somehow involved in this bombshell reporting from Washington Post.
I, however, look at it from a different angle.
Below is an excerpt from WAPO.
"A whistleblower complaint about President Trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine, according to two people familiar with the matter, which has set off a struggle between Congress and the executive branch."
"Two people familiar with the matter."~~ Could these two people be Gordon and Coats? The current version of "Deep Throat"?
In my opinion, neither one was the whistleblower.
Rachel Maddow has also reported the time-line. Something we may reference shortly when this whole bombshell blows apart:
Link to tweet
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)Dan Coats is a good man.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)jmbar2
(4,874 posts)Coates is close to retirement and has nothing left to lose except his legacy.
Hopefully more principled folks will step forward.
Disaffected
(4,554 posts)and wonder if Trump not only made the $250M contingent on Ukraine investingating Biden but also on finding useable dirt (whether factual or not).
Lord help us, I hope this is the straw that finally does it.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)They know what has been exposed is illegal. Doing what is Illegal is the only way he has fun. The truly slimy base loves it. They've got Barr.They've done this repeatedly. Rudy admits the wrongdoing. tRump throws mud at the Dems and Never tRumpers.
If he is at the center, and Dan Coats is prepared to testify, how will the cowards respond?
Meanwhile Pence makes a speech to drill down the complete hypocrisy/Twilight Zone factor of it all.
"WaPo
By Ben Terris
September 20, 2019
Greetings from Mike Pences parallel universe.
The vice president is onstage at the Heritage Foundation wearing a permanent squint like hes auditioning for a Ronald Reagan biopic, as serene as a married man eating a business lunch without a woman in sight.
On this Constitution Day, he says, Im proud to report that weve also been standing strong for the Constitution itself, with the principles of limited government, for the values enshrined in our founding documents.
In this dimension, the audience knows exactly what Constitution Day is. They celebrate it for an entire week, and without feeling like the country is ricocheting between crises: no impeachment hearings, urgent whistleblower complaints about promises made to foreign leaders, or ethical concerns about the military spending big bucks at Trump properties."
More:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/greetings-from-mike-pences-parallel-universe-its-constitution-day-at-the-heritage-foundation/2019/09/19/64bec090-daf7-11e9-ac63-3016711543fe_story.html
joost5
(421 posts)This thread lays it all out:
Link to tweet
and this older thread:
Link to tweet
He's committed MULTIPLE acts of treason against the U.S., and is now flaunting it like it doesn't matter, like every time Trump gets caught. He needs to go to jail.
Bayard
(22,061 posts)I understand there's questions about his son, but Joe?
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)usual round of tweets, and it's not because he's obeying the people who have told him to lay low because there is no evidence that Trump has ever taken direction from others. But this time they must all be aware of the repercussions not only to Trump but to themselves. I fear these "others" who work in the WH have taken over. What is Moscow Mitch's connection to Ukraine -- does it involve his wife????
There are some who say Ukraine is only the red herring and that it's something even bigger than Ukraine. Does it have to do with the Russian spy that was in the news the other day?
I hope the person who filed the complaint stays safe. I hope we survive this with enough intact to rebuild.
brush
(53,764 posts)Everyone knows he's a self-dealing, corrupt, lying criminal doing devious things all over the place but he's cunning enough to sue and sue and sue as he did in public life and outlast his vendors and others he didn't pay as he had more money to hire more lawyers, and then file bankruptcy over and over and over to get out of paying his debts.
Now as president he uses sycophants who work for him to sue and sue and sue to delay in court and withhold information and deny, deny, deny, delay, delay, delay until the media moves on to the next sensational scandal where there's a trace of him slithering away behind another torrent of denials and sycophants like Ghouliani and Barr running interference for him by saying a president can't be even investigated much less indicted.
It's total lawlessness without someone taking a stand, and that someone has to be Democrats finally to stop skirting around impeachment and go full bore on it.
Are you listening Madame Speaker?
JI7
(89,247 posts)rampartc
(5,403 posts)would be beginning Monday morning.
unfortunately, there will be no impeachment, and trump will be doing something else even more spectacularly dumb Monday morning.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)he was simply encouraging an investigation of alleged inappropriate action by Biden. It's similar to what he did with Steele dossier, trying to tie it to Clinton's campaign.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)This strikes at the heart of democracy, free elections, first amendment, even civil rights. This is like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are on the line at the same time.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)proof. Over the last few years we've seen dozens of credible accusations of corruption, sexual assault, etc. on Trump. But he is practicing a lesson that very few politicians seem to have learned yet: in 2019, deny deny deny because you only have to last a few days and the media will move on to the next sensational story.
Therein lies the likely problem with this whistleblower story: if all we have is an accusation, you know he's going to deny it and you know it's eventually going to disappear. We've seen it, they always do.
Look at Northam with the blackface. He knew he just had to hold out a few days. I suspect we're about to see the exact same thing from Trudeau. If Anthony Weiner was in office today and the Twitter thing went down no chance he resigns.
Unless someone is literally forcing you from office, there really is no reason to voluntarily step down in 2019. The media and American people always move on; we've learned that.
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)Every Dem candidate should be using this to hammer Chump relentlessly
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Ive lost count. And hes still there.
Captain Zero
(6,802 posts)That there is $250 mil released in military aid for Ukraine and that MoscowMitch moved on $250 million in election security funds.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)I Googled the author and it took me to a site with some kind of horrible auto-play audio.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)the first line of the article and it seems that the author of the post is writer for Occupy Democrats and he has a page on Facebook. He is very pro the Democratic Party. When a friend posted it on my facebook, he was identified as a Louisiana Professor. I hope that helps.
This is his profile
https://dalehusband.com/2018/08/05/thomas-clay-jr-brilliant-storyteller-and-ruthless-progressive-activist/
More research shows that the link at the bottom of the article refers to an article about Giuliana's debacle on CNN with Chris Cuomo.
ananda
(28,858 posts)It makes sense.
oasis
(49,376 posts)SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)I can't see how he's held accountable for any Federal violations with Pence, Haley (in the wings) able to pardon his traitorous ass.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)a TV actor and comedian. Last gig? Playing the President of the Ukraine on T fuckin V ! Now president of Ukraine. Sound like birds of a feather?
Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)Color me skeptical.
brush
(53,764 posts)additional 140 Million that trump reportedly just released to Ukraine?
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)I really wish I could "recommend" this 1,000 times. It's that important. Thank you!
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Russia will take him after he gave all that support to the Ukraine?
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)... newscasters mention this timeline and include Coates and Gordon resigning - and I thought the same thing.
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)McConnell is using it as a fig leaf.
It isn't real security.
Here's the short version of Jennifer Cohn's critique. She is THE EXPERT on election security issues.
[link:
Link to tweet
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