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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's extortion of Ukraine isn't about Biden. It's about Donbas. This is Trump dealing for Putin!
With the new Ukrainian president suddenly withdrawing his troops from eastern Ukraine & Putin reinforcing his troops there, the deal our tax dollars ( Trumps so-called military aid ) funded is complete. Thats called a quid pro quo w/ extortion, treason & other felonies.
Russia sent another resupply convoy to its army invading Ukraine in Donbas. It's the 84th such delivery of matériel since Putin's War began in 2014. The Russians again disguised the convoy as "humanitarian aid" but the trucks were not inspected by any competent authority.
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Iliyah
(25,111 posts)spanone
(135,832 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)So we don't notice the much bigger issue at play here.
KPN
(15,645 posts)immensely worse than just against the opposition party (because it actually does both).
They are fessing up to the lesser of the two while also making the case that theres nothing wrong with getting info from a foreign source regarding a political opponent doesnt matter; everybody does it. They think they can manage the message and consequences via their party and their base. Aint going to happen if this is in fact the case.
What tRump has done (if this is true) is treasonous regarding treaties and long standing alliances. Our allies in Europe are not the GOP or tRumps deplorable base. They arent ideologically loyal to tRump and Faux News doesnt control the messaging in Europe.
If this is real, the shit is about to fly in DC.
And Pelosi damn well better get on board with her constituents.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Hell yeah!
hedda_foil
(16,374 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Both of these tweeters have lots of followers, but none of the followers are the pundits, journalists, etc you usually see in most reliable tweets
I'm not an expert, just sayin
chowder66
(9,069 posts)Christopher Alberto
@ChrisAlbertoLaw
Former federal prosecutor. Directed a team that caught white-collar bad guys, seized millions & returned it to victims. Working to protect our Constitution.
Michael MacKay
@mhmck
Ph.D. from the LSE ... veteran of Ukraine democratic and civil society renaissance ... election observer ... Unix guru ... Upper Canadian
enid602
(8,619 posts)Operation Dumbass was a complete success.
joost5
(421 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)The Donbas wheeling and dealing doesnt appear to be that different from typical US diplomacy (see Cuban missile crisis and Turkish bases).
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,722 posts)So fucking angry...hes got to go.
Botany
(70,504 posts)When does this nightmare end?
ancianita
(36,055 posts)This is also about the loyalists who want to return this country to oligarchal rule.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)his 'Roy Cohn' at the head of the Justice Department. I think the coup d'état has already been completed, but we're still trying to close the barn door after the horse is already galloping around the field.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)The horse will tell us who opened the door when we catch it.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)So on the surface it could be presented as normal, secret dealings.
The crux is, what is the reason he agreed to this?
Was it done in America's best interest or in his own personal interest?
What does Putin offer America in return?
Of course we know the answer, partially.
It is not done in America's interest and probably to America's detriment.
Just what Trump personally receives from this kind of transaction is still unknown.
Why is he such a Toady to Putin? What does Putin have over him?
I've heard that he could be in debt to Russians but that doesn't seem to be enough to
cause him to act in such a drastic way.
There must be something going on behind the curtain that is much bigger than anything
reported up to now.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I think what you mean to say is, 'what does Putin have to offer Donald Trump'?
Another four years in office, of course, and the complete destruction of American Democracy. What more could Putin, Trump, and the GOP hope for?
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Zelensky ran as an anti-war candidate and troop withdrawals were expected
Seems unrelated