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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Senate wouldn't convict Trump for anything.
Not even murder committed in public view.
So it is very odd we are seeing all the trash Nancy posts.
In the latest case she can't impeach until evidence is presented.
Skittles
(152,966 posts)REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FUCKING SENATE DOES
It would hurt the Constitution to confirm to Trump and his Republicans that they can ignore it by letting them abuse their positions of power. We need to put the Republicans in a position where they can't destroy the Constitution by flouting it during the full exercise of one of its explicit powers: impeachment.
pbmus
(12,418 posts)Then another break til January, then , oh ffs , the most corrupt president in our history runs the most divisive campaign in Americas history and somehow gets within 2 % of popular vote but wins key electoral states...and everyone of our representatives are willing to bet otherwise...
UTTER FUCKING MADNESS...
This crisis is like our climate...WE MUST IMPEACH NOW
Skittles
(152,966 posts)pbmus
(12,418 posts)This country is being taken over and they argue about impeachment...
Skittles
(152,966 posts)AS IF IT WILL BE A CLEAN ELECTION
it's like they have not learned ANYTHING
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)But stop thinking it will get rid of trump.
Only the 2020 election can get rid of trump.
No matter how much head banging you do you cant get the Repubs to convict trump.
Skittles
(152,966 posts)over and OUT
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)DrToast
(6,414 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Do you think failing to impeach or convict makes it more likely he will lose in 2020? Support failing to impeachment or convict.
Do you think not Failing to impeach or convict makes it more likely he loses in 2020? Do not support impeachment.
I favor the latter. All those yelling for Impeachment now will be demoralized to the point of giving up when it fails. And it will.
And all this do the right thing? Give me a break. This is politics. The only thing that matters is the winning thing. Sad but has always been true. If you lose you can do nothing. Right or wrong. Had we not won the house last year they would have gotten their shit together and what is happening now would look like paradise because they would have put all this shit into law rather than things a Democratic President can overturn in her or his first week in office.
pbmus
(12,418 posts)He is already an illegitimate president...talking about an electoral college won by 70 thousand votes over 3 states...
Your premise is that we will win in an electoral system rigged by republicans...
What have you learned..?
I will not be demoralized, because everyday there will be another lying puke coming before the hearings cameras lying to the American people...
And if it ever gets to the senate vote SO FUCKING WHAT IF THEY VOTE NO...IT WILL AT LEAST BE PROVEN TO EVERYONE ELSE HOW CORRUPT THESE SLIMEBALLS ARE...
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And what options do you offer? He will not be removed from office. No how, no way. Not happening. We will never get 67 votes in the senate to do so.
In my mind to continue focusing on an impossibility is insanity. Its like basing your retirement on the lottery.
But we can beat him at the polls. We just did it last year. So it defies logic to focus on anything but the one way we have to remove him.
pbmus
(12,418 posts)We will be impeaching him during the election and if it continues after and he loses(which you are betting democracy on), then we can finish the impeachment...because nobody wants to imagine sending this scuzball a check for 200,000 every year until he drops dead...
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)impeachment after he loses?? That crazy talk. No need after that point. And even if we win the senate we will never have 67 votes. To pretend otherwise is delusional.
But if we have no chance of removing him from office, and our only hope is winning in 2020, why change the focus from what won for us in 18. Its not like his is anymore batshit crazy now. OK. Some. But many of his supporters love it.
It comes down to this: do you think a failed impeachment helps us win in 2020.
pbmus
(12,418 posts)He is not only going to face the hundreds of lawsuits and the criminal liability he has, but we can impeach after he is drug out of the White House by marshals...
The answer to your question is...another more important question...
How do we look if we do not impeach the most corrupt president in Americas history.?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Because Impeachment after he loses would not happen. But since we will never have 67 votes in the Senate to convict makes that talk even more fantastical.
pbmus
(12,418 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Not 67 seats! No one thinks that is happening.
JI7
(89,182 posts)world wide wally
(21,719 posts)We are getting pissed off at you
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I think a failed attempt to remove him from office would devastate us. Give him a win.
And we will never have 67 votes in the senate to convict.
As it stands now we do not, and will not have the votes in the house to impeach. We finally ran a 50 state primary and it took us to victory. Which means we now have a much more moderate House than 3 years ago. But a house where we are in the majority
pbmus
(12,418 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Only an incompetent leader brings up a vote she knows will lose.
Speaker Pelosi in hardly incompetent.
And the Senate? He is not being removed from office until the 2020 elections. No way, no how.
We need to focus on that. Not some impeachment and conviction fantasy.
pbmus
(12,418 posts)world wide wally
(21,719 posts)Just like he says
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)It is 100% political.
In politics there is no right or wrong. Just winning.
In my opinion if we try to impeach and fail we all but insure a trump win in 2020.
If we keep talking about how we are going to improve Americans lives thru Democratic policies while at the same time continuing to investigate and dig up dirt on trump it gives us the best chance of winning.
All this said with one thing firmly in mind. We will Never get 67 votes to remove him from office.
He is going to serve till he loses, is term limited out, or dies.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)And we can hold every GOP Senator accountable during the election
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)world wide wally
(21,719 posts)The American people are sick of the corruption.
I know, because I am one of them.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)If the Americans are so sick of it.
Personally I agree. I think we win it.
But a failed impeachment makes it less likely.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)How are we even going to survive another 16 months with no limits set on him?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)world wide wally
(21,719 posts)herding cats
(19,549 posts)Social media is filled with righteousness indignation about how things should be but aren't. They need someone to lay blame on so they don't have to actually get out and work in the streets to effect real change and oust Trump. Which is why we can't get more people as pissed off as we are. They're content to complain on line and feel like they're "activists" in the real world. Bots do that, not real activist.
Americans apparently are lazy keyboard warriors. It's pitiful, really.
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Which we dont. But assume we do.
The Senate will never convict. He will still be president having won a huge victory.
What does that accomplish us moving into 2020? B
herding cats
(19,549 posts)I'm sorry, was the post about us here? I missed that! I meant in the wider realm of the internet and all the pseudo activism out there which clearly isn't. More people here are activists than most other places, so I may have missed the innuendo?
Peace.
herding cats
(19,549 posts)I do not see an indictment on DUers. It reads as a general statement on pseudo activism kneecaping Pelosi.
I'm reminded of why I don't frequent here anymore.
herding cats
(19,549 posts)Wow. Rude. Impolite.
I have more adjectives, but manners preclude their use here.
grumpyduck
(6,199 posts)Mme. Defarge
(7,982 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,698 posts)micDROP
(75 posts)We need to do the right thing and regardless of the Senate, make the people's will known that a vote NOT to impeach trump is a vote for fascism.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Only an election will get rid of trump.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)They don't turn because they've already accepted his bad parts, no matter WHAT they are. After all of this, he probably could murder someone and still retain 30% of his 40% (as long as it was a refugee, Muslim, or a liberal).
I believe he will be repudiated pretty hard in 2020. And that's what MUST happen if we are to do any kind of "fixing" of this. His voters aren't all going to die. They need to experience a pretty big failure in order to find change.
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)... some House members reluctant to vote, also. What if even the House failed to start impeachment? She must know how many votes she has... and there may be losses, for some of those votes. As far as the Senate goes, the present Senate will not convict. If they do, we get President Pence running as a grandfatherly incumbent "healer" - no thank you. I think the best we can do is a few Republicans - we need 67 to convict. I don't even think Moscow Mitch will allow a vote.