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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOnly way Trump loses the election is the debates
Whoever the Dem Nomination is, they cant go High, as he goes Low.
That wont work, you have to bait him, you have to get into his face.
You have to accuse him of doing all the disgusting things he has done.
It has to be personal, no way the Dems win the election by saying.....
The Ice caps in Norway have melted at a rate of 3.4% more than they did last year, or.....
It hasant trickled down, only seven states have the living wage or.......
Immigration is not root cause of our problems, the latest GDP figures.
The public doesn't want to hear that, you have to Bait Trump in the debates, you have
to make him go off.
Bluff him, tell him you have the apprentice tape, call him a rapist to his face.
And watch him lose it...
If we try to go high, the dems lose.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)Hillary handed Trump his ass in all the debates and it didn't matter.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)if the people he debated managed to get under his skin and set him off. I think that a bit of humiliation and ridicule could send him over the edge and show the world how unfit he really is.
A skilled debater could make him look like a complete buffoon. Someone needs to show the world how truly mentally ill he is. I am hoping that Walsh and Weld will give it a go first.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)nt
Poiuyt
(18,118 posts)We just better hope that we have a large enough margin of victory to overcome his cheating.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)If the Democratic Party keeps pushing for policies Americans support as we did in 18 we again win.
Lord, it hasnt even been a year and we forget what we did and how we did it?
We didnt play up the trump crazy shit. It there for everyone to see and evaluate as it was in 18. But that was almost ignored in our messaging and we cleaned up.
Do the same next year. Contrast our policies against their, tell the Americans what we will do for them and we win.
No need to focus on trump. He does that on his own.
lastlib
(23,168 posts)I think our leadoff strategy has to be the policies we bring out to help the middle class, the 95% (an more or less arbitrary figure). But we cannot ignore completely the insanity that is AnusMouth and his party of cowardly sycophantic enablers. There will be times and places that we must highlight it. But we lead with what we will do for the vast majority of the American people.
I do think we can never let voters forget about "Ukraine-gate" (sorry, had to go there....) and probably a dozen other tRumpski scandals. We can never let voters forget about the child separations at the border, or the disasters that have been tRump's foreign policy. We can never let voters forget about Moscow Mitch. But these should not be our lead-off issues.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Even now I wish they would do this....
Tell the TRUTH about republicans !!!! THEy are actuallyt the ones responsible for the situation we are in....
TheBlackAdder
(28,169 posts)Seiad
(55 posts)There many ways he can / will lose. What you describe is DEFINITELY one of them.
Go Low
gulliver
(13,168 posts)The winner can't be some know-it-all kid playing to some abstract "Mommy" who knows we are right and Trump is wrong. That Mommy doesn't exist. The winner has to be, in the abstract sense, Mommy (or Daddy) themselves.
Hillary beat Trump in "Mommy's" opinion and in the opinion of everyone who just likes sanity and reason. Hillary beat Trump on that basis in every single debate. But it didn't matter. The substantive, adult side of the debate was simply cast aside. Trump's followers even know he lost and don't care.
It's not that the debates don't matter. They do. And if Trump manages to hang on until the debates, he may not participate this time. His risk is that someone will laugh at him and get everyone else to laugh at him too. That won't be hard for the right person. I think Biden will be able to do it. I don't think Sanders can. Warren is a maybe.
ooky
(8,908 posts)is going to be serious anyway. He hates the late night comics. Turn it into a two hour, prime time comic fest with our candidate cracking jokes about his most embarrassing moments and lies while he has to stand there and take it. Have comics like Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert to coach up our candidates with comic routines for each subject that can possibly ask about. Talk about our plan seriously, and then contrast what a joke he has been.
Also, insist on the microphone only being on for the responding candidate so he can't drown out our candidate during our candidate's turn to talk. That will frustrate the hell out of him. He'll be trying to grab our candidate's microphone. Better yet, place each candidate in side by side boxes (like M$M pundits are in) in which the sound goes off when their time is up.
Captain Zero
(6,788 posts)So, probably won't happen. haha
But its fun to think about.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I don't think it will matter what is said but does the Dem come off a though enough.
AJT
(5,240 posts)concentrate on the crisis not waste time debating. Although the crisis won't keep him from tweeting.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,568 posts)I've been saying that exact thing for months now, although I hadn't considered the tweeting angle.
Skittles
(153,122 posts)it made zero difference
Sneederbunk
(14,279 posts)Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)nm
herding cats
(19,558 posts)Why should he? He's a lair with a cult following who believes his lies and no pushback from his fellow Republicans. He's safe to not debate.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)He was pantsed every single time by Hillary.
I'm sorry, you're not correct. That's now how things work anymore. Maybe never again. Time will tell on that one.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)election.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)flying_wahini
(6,578 posts)Come on. Its our turn.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Whoever wins the nomination...thats the only turn Im concerned with.
triron
(21,984 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)"Bluff him, tell him you have the apprentice tape, call him a rapist to his face. "
1) What do we do when we're asked to produce the tape?
2) He will deflect the rapist thing. "No proof... phony witchhunt." What do we produce to prove on the spot, in the debate?
I'm not sure how this does anything. And I'm not sure the debates are that important at changing anyone's mind.
procon
(15,805 posts)at debates. He knows he'll look like the incompetent ignoramus he actually is when he can't BS and weasel his way out of every debate question or dazzle the mods with a few of his most popular rally one liners.
He won't show up. He'll stage an impromptu rally and the crowd will ear up all his obligatory excuses about the debates being rigged, the press is treating him badly, the mods are colluding with the Dems.. etc., etc. His standard mealy mouthed cover up for his rank, unqualified existence in the Oval Office.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)i don't think he'll make it to the election... but if he does, he won't debate. He'll find some excuse to avoid, as he did during the primary debate last time.
As horrifically bad as he was against Clinton, he'll be worse next year. He'll be beyond incoherent. He'll be physically impaired in a way no one could ignore.
I hope he's gone by then, but if not, I hope we can make a big deal of him not debating, like having an empty podium, and the Dem answering each question.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Hell go have a rally with his MAGATs instead and spend the entire time tearing the Democratic nominee apart. Hell do it to force the Democrat to spend all his time defending himself while Trump goes golfing.
The only thing that will defeat Trump is us going out and voting.
padah513
(2,496 posts)First, because he can't call names at a debate. He won't say sleepy this and Pocohantas that because there'll be no crowd for him to feed off and it won't play well. Second, he can't blatantly lie (although we all know he will) without being called out on it, and asking Trump not to lie is like asking him not to breathe. He simply cannot do it.
brewens
(13,547 posts)As long as our nominee is sharp, articulate and well prepared, I can't see him looking good. I think he may refuse to debate, or make unreasonable demands on the format, location, networks or whatever.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Nothing he says or does is based on any real beliefs or desires to do what he thinks is the right thing. He doesn't care. It's all a facade and an act for him. You cannot debate or shame that. Sadly his supporters don't seem to care about this either.
Democrats just need to focus on telling the American people what they are going to do to make life better for us all, and bring a message of national unity that makes us proud to be Americans. The American people need to feel like if we work hard and do the right things, then we'll be able to have secure and happy lives.
stopdiggin
(11,254 posts)and losing bigger every day.
(Also disagree 100% on your idea of tactics. I'm here to vote AGAINST Trump, and everything that he stands for. I certainly won't be energized to vote for a mirror image of Trump. Sorry.)
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Did it?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)No, Trump is already seen as worse by most people. It's not about the debates; it's about stopping the Republicans cheating. Trump's supporters are not even the kind of people to look at him going crazy and think "that's a problem"; they like that kind of thing.
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)... don't matter. Crooked Donald was a clown throughout all his debates... he bragged about his penis size to Rubio and the world. That's what his fans want, not climate change. And, his supporters "got" the white supremacist messages loud and clear. Republicans wanted redistribution of wealth and power - they do not care about debate style.
Indykatie
(3,695 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)People simply harden their beliefs.
Pretty much the entire population has already decided the winner of the debates and we don't even know yet who will fill the D seat.
Debates are useful for learning the candidates views and talking points, but nobody changes their mind. They simply get armed to argue with their friends and relatives.