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Maraya1969

(22,459 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:30 AM Sep 2019

Neal Katyal has twice suggested to defund the office of the Attorney General. How about now?

At least we won't be so damn impotent! Remember the people in Nazi Germany thought Hitler was a fad and it would go away and right itself. It didn't.

Doing nothing is not an option now! Do something!


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/29/1845857/-Neal-Katyal-s-suggestion-in-March-applies-today-De-fund-AG-Barr-s-salary-and-the-AG-Office

(This was all about Barr hiding the Mueller report but as far as I can see it all is still feasible)


Update: Neal Katyal—again—called for the House to de-fund AG Barr’s salary and his office while he spoke with Stephanie Ruhle sitting in for Ari Melber on MSNBC. I hope eventually he expounds on this and what it would entail

In the wayback machine in March, AG Bill Barr obfuscated and lied about releasing the full Mueller Report, so Neal Katyal, ex-Solicitor General, Top Litigator award winner, expert in Constitutional law, winner of the Edmund Randolph Award (DOJ’s highest award), legal scholar, law professor, author of the Special Counsel law, said this extraordinary thing:
De-funding the Attorney General of the United States is a legitimate and respectable tool Congress could use to at least curtail lawlessness on the part of the Attorney General and his office? Yes.

Despite inevitable caterwauling and wailings of “Partisanship! Cheaters!” by the GOP, Congress should absolutely set these gears in motion while they still can and educate the American people as to why.

Congress must protect our democracy. De-fund the Attorney General and the AG Office until he complies with the Constitution and Congress.

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Neal Katyal has twice suggested to defund the office of the Attorney General. How about now? (Original Post) Maraya1969 Sep 2019 OP
This is exactly the kind of tactic I think many DUers have been hoping for. Mike 03 Sep 2019 #1
Do it Democrats! No more pussy footing. triron Sep 2019 #2
It's what you do when the DoJ is obstructing justice. Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #3
I'd be for it! lastlib Sep 2019 #21
DO. IT. Mme. Defarge Sep 2019 #4
No. It's way easier to slide down than to try the hard-scrabble back up struggle4progress Sep 2019 #5
Trump would just steal the money from somewhere else. hvn_nbr_2 Sep 2019 #6
Yes --- like he has with the border wall. n/t pnwmom Sep 2019 #10
At some point, that too becomes an impeachable offense. In the past, Congress has determined that KPN Sep 2019 #11
Maybe the DOJ should not be in the executive branch Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #7
Attorney General Nasruddin Sep 2019 #17
Interesting. So it could be changed through Congress. Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #22
During the Barr hearing about Mueller MurrayDelph Sep 2019 #8
I like it. Maraya1969 Sep 2019 #9
I agree just not sure how they go about it. Aren't departments funded by spending bills? So how does Pepsidog Sep 2019 #12
Seems like it would need a bill Nasruddin Sep 2019 #14
Yes that's what I mean. A bill Dotard will never sign. Pepsidog Sep 2019 #18
Don't be a Debbie Downer dumbcat Sep 2019 #15
Sorry to ruin the fun. Defund the F'ers, I with you. Pepsidog Sep 2019 #19
Then why did Neal Katyal say it? He should know what he is talking about. triron Sep 2019 #16
He should have explained it, because it doesn't make sense. Trump can refuse to sign bills pnwmom Sep 2019 #20
Budgets originate with the House of Representatives. lastlib Sep 2019 #23
Enough of the "bread and butter" bills passing only to sit in the Moscow Mitch's garbage bin LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #13

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
1. This is exactly the kind of tactic I think many DUers have been hoping for.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:36 AM
Sep 2019

I've always heard that the House holds the purse. They should use that power.

Kid Berwyn

(14,789 posts)
3. It's what you do when the DoJ is obstructing justice.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:52 AM
Sep 2019

Get the UNREDACTED Mueller Report.

Get the whistleblower complaint.

Get all the subpoenaed documents.

Then Congress can talk about DoJ getting its funding.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
11. At some point, that too becomes an impeachable offense. In the past, Congress has determined that
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:56 PM
Sep 2019

impeachment isn't limited to criminal conduct per the 19 impeachments that Congress has conducted in its history.

[link:https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44260.pdf|

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
7. Maybe the DOJ should not be in the executive branch
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:32 PM
Sep 2019

In most (all) states the AG is an elected position. Maybe presidents should appoint AGs to a 5 year term that requires approval from both the House and Senate. I realize that would require a constitutional amendment but I think it's an idea worth pursuing.

Nasruddin

(749 posts)
17. Attorney General
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:25 PM
Sep 2019

The AG & the Justice Department are creations of congress, not the constitution.
See
https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=196
& page forward to section 35 - the last section.
I don't know the history of debate on this act, but as this is the last section
of a fairly detailed creation of a federal court system, it seems like an afterthought.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
22. Interesting. So it could be changed through Congress.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:26 PM
Sep 2019

I think that should be looked at. As we are seeing, the current set up has little recourse to stop abuse.

MurrayDelph

(5,291 posts)
8. During the Barr hearing about Mueller
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:38 PM
Sep 2019

I suggested that Congress should display a tote board, which should be called "The Defundotronic 2020."

Every time a member of the "Justice Department" fails to show up, fails to answer, stonewalls, conflates, or interferes where it shouldn't, the Defundotronic should be trotted out to announce another $100k from Barr's staffing budget.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
12. I agree just not sure how they go about it. Aren't departments funded by spending bills? So how does
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:07 PM
Sep 2019

Congress just defund.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
15. Don't be a Debbie Downer
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:13 PM
Sep 2019

Of course there is no way the Democrats in the House could defund the DoJ. Like, the Repubs in the Senate will just go along and the President will sign the Bill? Right?

But you don't have to spoil their little rants.

pnwmom

(108,954 posts)
20. He should have explained it, because it doesn't make sense. Trump can refuse to sign bills
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:16 PM
Sep 2019

and he can move funding around, like he has with the spending bill.

lastlib

(23,135 posts)
23. Budgets originate with the House of Representatives.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:28 PM
Sep 2019

So they write the next budget with no line items for the portions of the DOJ they don't want to fund. It passes the House, goes to the Senate, where it's voted down. Eventually they work out compromises to fund everything else, but House says no funds for DOJ until we get the docs and the testimony we want. In practice it could lead to a govt shutdown, but this is the theory....

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
13. Enough of the "bread and butter" bills passing only to sit in the Moscow Mitch's garbage bin
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:13 PM
Sep 2019

THERE ARE BIGGER FISH TO FRY!!!

DO SOMETHING!

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