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Tweet: look at the face of this guy when the woman says, "this too is false".... (Original Post) George II Sep 2019 OP
Perfect! Another lying POS. SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2019 #1
Who is that woman? True Blue American Sep 2019 #2
That is my ? also. Who TF is she? CurtEastPoint Sep 2019 #5
Heather MacDonald...from her wiki... lapucelle Sep 2019 #11
Hey, we're not as bad as Pol Pot wryter2000 Sep 2019 #21
We're Number 2!!! Woot! deurbano Sep 2019 #25
so in summary... she's a piece of shit. Takket Sep 2019 #22
She's on wingnut welfare at the Manhattan Institute sharedvalues Sep 2019 #29
Thanks!:) True Blue American Sep 2019 #36
Of course she's oblivious. If she weren't oblivious she wouldn't have said such a stupid thing. yardwork Sep 2019 #34
Isn't she the UPenn law prof who openly expresses her racial bias against her students to the point tblue37 Sep 2019 #3
Heather MacDonald from the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. lapucelle Sep 2019 #7
Thank you! nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #14
OH, she'd be fun to have a beer with. NOT. What a ____. CurtEastPoint Sep 2019 #16
Manhattan is a rightwing billionaire funded lie factory sharedvalues Sep 2019 #30
Gaslighters extrodinaire True Dough Sep 2019 #4
Dr. Goff's response... lapucelle Sep 2019 #6
I still don't fully grasp the entire situation. Collimator Sep 2019 #8
The House Judiciary Committee Hearing on Policing Practices Oversight lapucelle Sep 2019 #9
Could you briefly summarize her claims and his response for us deafies? Thanks. nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #15
She claimed that a study showed that there was no cause and effect lapucelle Sep 2019 #17
Thanks wryter2000 Sep 2019 #38
She was essentially saying that the media pushing the story of CurtEastPoint Sep 2019 #20
Here is the transcript from both videos.... chowder66 Sep 2019 #23
I would like to see her face True Blue American Sep 2019 #37
K&R ismnotwasm Sep 2019 #10
Who is the racist gaslighter trying to blow racist smoke up everyone's behind? brush Sep 2019 #12
See post #6. lapucelle Sep 2019 #19
A proud racist is she rusty fender Sep 2019 #13
Good for him wryter2000 Sep 2019 #18
The guy is Phillip Atiba Goff Nonhlanhla Sep 2019 #24
It is bad enough to be in the same room but to sit next to her. gordianot Sep 2019 #26
I believe this is the PNAS study she's referring to. Jim__ Sep 2019 #27
Excellent. Great sort complete read. underpants Sep 2019 #33
The Snackshack Sep 2019 #28
yep. THAT look. stopdiggin Sep 2019 #31
I guess it just "appears" that the police are biased because of all the dead black people. patphil Sep 2019 #32
So what's her point? Iggo Sep 2019 #35

lapucelle

(18,258 posts)
11. Heather MacDonald...from her wiki...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:43 PM
Sep 2019
She has spoken out against no-racial-profiling programs for the police, calling them a "politically correct ignoring" of what is known to be the "logical necessity of Islamic terrorisms." She has criticized efforts to instate no-racial-profiling policies, calling these efforts an "illogical tautology" because "you cannot be an Islamic terrorist unless you're a member of the Muslim faith".

She has said that the Abu Ghraib prison scandal's fallout was overblown and that opponents of then-President Bush used it to construct an exaggerated "master narrative"; she said that Abu Ghraib was "torture lite" compared to more brutal atrocities, such as those of Pol Pot. She stated that the interrogation techniques promulgated in the war on terror were "light years" from real torture and "hedged around" with bureaucratic safeguards.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Mac_Donald

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
29. She's on wingnut welfare at the Manhattan Institute
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:32 PM
Sep 2019

Typical Republican liar, propped up by billionaire funding

tblue37

(65,357 posts)
3. Isn't she the UPenn law prof who openly expresses her racial bias against her students to the point
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:22 PM
Sep 2019

where she isn't permitted to teach first-year students any more?

No, sorry--that isn't her. Who is it?

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
8. I still don't fully grasp the entire situation.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:37 PM
Sep 2019

But I do recognize the demeanor of a person who is attempting to be professional and respectful in a discussion around a subject that has clearly impacted his life experiences in a way in which the first speaker can never truly comprehend.

lapucelle

(18,258 posts)
17. She claimed that a study showed that there was no cause and effect
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:05 PM
Sep 2019

relationship between race of the victim and police shootings.

He countered that the data in the study she cited were correlational rather than causal, by the admission of the study's authors. Thus her conclusion about cause and effect was flawed, agenda-driven junk science.

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
38. Thanks
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:58 PM
Sep 2019

The sound cut in and out for me, even though I tried it twice. "Agenda-driven junk science." Them's fightin' words among scientists.

CurtEastPoint

(18,644 posts)
20. She was essentially saying that the media pushing the story of
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:08 PM
Sep 2019

white cops shooting black men more often than would be expected is false.

He then refuted her saying that the study she quoted has been essentially debunked.

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
23. Here is the transcript from both videos....
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:28 PM
Sep 2019

Miss McDonald: "We are also told we are Living through an epidemic of racially biased police shootings of black men, this too is false.

[Dr. Goff turns and looks at her astonishingly].

"A study published this August in the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is just the latest research undercutting the media narrative about race and police shootings, it is the rate of violent crime.......".

[Video Ends of Miss McDonald]

Second video showing Dr. Goff responding;

Dr Goff: "The study just cited by Miss McDonald the proceedings National Academy of Sciences does not show that the white officers are less or more likely to be involved in deadly shootings. It simply does not. It's correlational study and the authors themselves have admitted to others in the scientific community that the central causal claim that they make, which is that there is no bias in this, is unsupported by the data that has been made public and have been publicly analyzed by scholars like Jonathan Momo at Princeton Universtiy. I do not like to be a part of anything where that becomes a laundromat for junk science for I apologize for stepping out of my character to say so".

[Dr. Goff then breathes a heavy frustrated sigh].

[Video ends of Dr. Goff]

There is much more at the link below......


https://www.c-span.org/video/?464473-1/judiciary-committee-holds-oversight-hearing-policing-practices&start=3541

brush

(53,778 posts)
12. Who is the racist gaslighter trying to blow racist smoke up everyone's behind?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:48 PM
Sep 2019

She needs to be doxxed and ridiculed? I'm so glad the African American professor sitting right next to her refuted her lies.

And think of the nerve she had to think she could spew lies like that sitting right next to a black man. Apparently some people think AAs are just supposed to accept their bullshit.

It would have been nice if there was a video of her reaction to him exposing her lies.

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
18. Good for him
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:06 PM
Sep 2019

Did not let her get away with it.

I am so effing sick of people sitting in front of congress and lying their asses off. It's about damned time people start going to jail for it.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
24. The guy is Phillip Atiba Goff
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:51 PM
Sep 2019

and he is one of the leading experts on police bias. He is a very thoughtful scholar. I once sat through a workshop on implicit bias he was leading, and it was fantastic.

His parents, by the way, were featured in a documentary a year or two ago about the Loving decision and the first mixed race couples who were impacted by it (his dad is white and his mom is black). They're a great couple!

This woman is nothing but a rightwing idiot.

Jim__

(14,076 posts)
27. I believe this is the PNAS study she's referring to.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:19 PM
Sep 2019

I think this is the full report.

An excerpt:

Significance

There is widespread concern about racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings and that these disparities reflect discrimination by White officers. Existing databases of fatal shootings lack information about officers, and past analytic approaches have made it difficult to assess the contributions of factors like crime. We create a comprehensive database of officers involved in fatal shootings during 2015 and predict victim race from civilian, officer, and county characteristics. We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings.

Abstract

Despite extensive attention to racial disparities in police shootings, two problems have hindered progress on this issue. First, databases of fatal officer-involved shootings (FOIS) lack details about officers, making it difficult to test whether racial disparities vary by officer characteristics. Second, there are conflicting views on which benchmark should be used to determine racial disparities when the outcome is the rate at which members from racial groups are fatally shot. We address these issues by creating a database of FOIS that includes detailed officer information. We test racial disparities using an approach that sidesteps the benchmark debate by directly predicting the race of civilians fatally shot rather than comparing the rate at which racial groups are shot to some benchmark. We report three main findings: 1) As the proportion of Black or Hispanic officers in a FOIS increases, a person shot is more likely to be Black or Hispanic than White, a disparity explained by county demographics; 2) race-specific county-level violent crime strongly predicts the race of the civilian shot; and 3) although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e.g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions. We highlight the need to enforce federal policies that record both officer and civilian information in FOIS.

patphil

(6,176 posts)
32. I guess it just "appears" that the police are biased because of all the dead black people.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:42 PM
Sep 2019

She wears her racist colors well.

Patrick Phillips

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
35. So what's her point?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:08 PM
Sep 2019

We've been killing this many black men the whole time and you people are just catching on?

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