We may be looking at the biggest scandal in American history.

[kentuck]

That would be 243 years.

An entire political Party may have been corrupted.

All branches of our government have been challenged.

Nothing else even comes close.

We need to understand the magnitude of what we are experiencing.

[Skittles]

1. there's no doubt an entire political party has been corrupted

that's how we ended up with a fascist fuck like Trump for "president"

but it remains to be seen what will actually be done about it

[yuiyoshida]

18. I wonder if he will be crazy enough

to cancel future elections and declare himself President for life. I can just see the headlines now.."Welcome to Fascist America" and the worst part about it, would his base being ecstatic over their new GOD-KING.

[Skittles]

19. there are more of us than there are of them

we WILL prevail.....America is stronger than Donald Fucking Trump, I have to believe that

[yuiyoshida]

20. Yes but is not just him...

Its the Entire Republican Senate and Mitch McTurtle....who SIT on their stupid asses and let this asshole pull out every shunt, wire and bracket from this 200 year old Government.

[Skittles]

25. I know

I am still hoping Democrats will start to really fight - I am sick of the pitiful response so far

[Maxheader]

40. And the 30%ers...

don't forget them...theys the ones that put mitch the bitch in his current job..

scary what direction they'll let the one%ers push them...

What? You thought the wall, the trade war, the mideast conflict,

were well thought out power initiatives to benefit mankind? To
solve ethnic conflicts....har dee har har.... . ..

[Cary]

79. I have an idea

Why don't we learn from our mistakes in 2016 and unite behind our Democrats and attack fascists and not each other?

[samplegirl]

85. Thanks Skittles

Need something positive!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Nothing would surprise me when it comes to the Fascist-in-Chief... impeach him already!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

[colorado_ufo]

77. This has happened before in other countries.

I wonder what happened to those leaders?

[CentralMass]

2. Then wait and see if they get away with it.

[KPN]

48. Seems that way -- for going on three years now.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

89. Headline in red (big deal) on drudge

Is that Nancy "hinting at" impeachment..but when I read the quote...giant leap on that.

I have this idea that there are repukes who can't say get rid of the MF..but want Dems to do it for political cover.

[Snackshack]

3. Agreed.

Presume that trump is running or trying to run a hustle/ scam/ extortion/ kickback on anything and everything possible from the Grounds Keepers to the Joint Chiefs to other Heads of State.

Ivanka, Jared, Don Jr as well. Anything that involves money, aid or influence the trumps are trying to squeeze a percentage from. These people are corrupt down to the marrow. I doubt we will ever know the full extent.


“We need to understand the magnitude of what we are experiencing.”

[Grasswire2]

5. yep MOB style.

A criminal enterprise.

[Grasswire2]

4. retention of white majority rule supercedes oaths to the Constitution...

....as the demographics spell doom for the GOP.

The last three presidential elections where a Republican took the White House were fraudulent.

[Eyeball_Kid]

6. It's even bigger than YOU think.

Our view of ourselves as a nation is no longer operable. Our frame of reference is now fiction. We have a president who has successfully transformed his title to “Dictator.” This is not hyperbole. He successfully places himself above the law, supported by the second largest political party in the country. HE WON. We have a dictatorship. The Dems WILL NOT OVERCOME this coup. They are waiting for a popular uprising that won’t happen, and they won’t lead one. We have Dictator Donnie. And the totality of the media denies the obvious.

[kentuck]

7. I think it may be too big for us to wrap our brains around?

A fiction writer could not make this shit up.

[Newest Reality]

9. Well...

What used to seem like sensationalism is now becoming clearly plausible. What I mean is, our estimations are really honing in on what is happening, but its like a trip to Bizzaro Land even though we are being very rational about the facts. You have to shake your head and pinch yourself sometimes.

Little did some of us know that The Twilight Zone was preparation for this catastrophe. It is as if Rod Serling wrote this one and is doing the introduction.

[KPN]

49. Actually, 3rd largest political party (yes, it is that bad). But otherwise, hard to argue with you

at this point.

[spanone]

8. K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[yaesu]

10. I was thinking of a dictator of the past that most reminds me of tRump and I must say Idi Amin

of Uganda fits the bill. the guy was a notorious liar, bully, sewn divisiveness & distrust throughout his government & country and was a sociopath.

[jmowreader]

12. A couple other parallels

Idi Amin was also big into nepotism and gross economic mismanagement.

[GetRidOfThem]

44. Trump is terrible, but...

Idi Amin was a bloodthirsty killer. Military man, no less. We are not there yet with Trump.

I am not defending Trump in any way, I hate his guts. I am just putting a reality check into the comparison.

I have been in the region, and in Uganda, many times...

[KPN]

51. Perfect! I can see him offering to fight Biden now "with one arm tied behind my back!"

[yaesu]

57. exactly lol. nt

[BigBearJohn]

11. It seems to me that it all stems from total greed. Money seems to rule all.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[brush]

17. Absolute power not only corrupts absolutely, it reveals.

[BigDemVoter]

13. I want to see that party destroyed so badly that it never rears

its ugly head again.

[Bonx]

14. Wow! This sounds definitive, but I don't know what we're talking about.

Is Trump done for?

[Initech]

15. 40 years of a constant stream of 24 hour a day hate propaganda brought us here.

The damage that Fox News and AM talk radio have done to our country will probably never really be measurable.

[BigmanPigman]

21. Right you are!

[RKP5637]

69. Fox News and others found that hatred sells well in the US and it took over. Lots of tribal

behavior in the US to sell discontent between. Rupert Murdoch has done a lot to destroy the US, but one seldom hears his name/actions mentioned.

[brush]

16. It's pretty obvious he's a Russian asset who is also willing to...

prostitute our troops to the murderous Saudi crown prince who "pays cash" (his actual words).

The word traitor does not encompass the magnitude of what he is/has done. We need to coin a new word for him.

Any suggestions?

[GetRidOfThem]

45. Shithead...

Shithead president who is turning this country into a shithole country...

[ancianita]

22. We most definitely are. It's way more than a scandal. It's a redefining of what

government will become if we don't join together to stop it.

[Kablooie]

23. Well, Trump is 73 years old.

I was just thinking about what would happen if he suddenly had a heart attack and died.

All his criminal sycophants and the whole Republican party would be set adrift and would have to confront what they've done and what they've become.
They would have to realize that consequences would be coming, and coming down hard.
Ay, there's the rub.

Oh, perchance to dream.

[hadEnuf]

24. They do realize that consequences would be coming so they will not go quietly.

Cornered rats are capable of anything. It is dangerously foolish to try and play nice or back down from these fascist rabid vermin.

[meadowlander]

32. They'll just find another useful idiot.

Trump is just the blackhead sitting on top of a giant bag of pus just under the skin. He's just a more inept and obvious version of GWB.

The real issue is the Kochs, the Mercers, the Princes, Fox News, the NRA, the influx of foreign corrupt money from overseas particularly from the Russians, the Saudis and the Chinese.

Get rid of Trump and all of those issues still remain.

[ancianita]

41. Yep. And their monetary structures incentivize new idiots to come forward. A dismantling is needed.

[KPN]

52. THIS. We actually may need a purge to right this ship. Chances of that happening?

My guess: zero. Which is why there needs to be some real accountability going forward or this will simply happen again, and if need be, again.

By real accountability, I do mean real -- none of this 9 months in a plush federal prison for white collar types.

Frankly, I see all of this as treason (I don't care what the legal definition of "treason" is -- it's plainly treason). What's the maximum penalty for treason?

[RKP5637]

70. It is treasonous behavior IMO, but many muck up treason so it does not apply. I too don't give

a F "what the legal definition of "treason" is -- it's plainly treason."

[Marcuse]

26. He has virtually dissolved Congress by ignoring Article I.

[KPN]

53. Not yet he hasn't, but ... if Pelosi doesn't get off the stick?

[NCLefty]

27. Sen. Koons: "I would like to believe [Republicans] will put country above party."

We're so screwed. :/

[Kid Berwyn]

42. Republicans think they ARE the country.

“Make America White Again”

If only there were some recourse to straighten out their misconceptions?

[KPN]

54. What is it that wishful thinking gets?

[wasupaloopa]

28. I agree

[democrank]

29. It's almost beyond my comprehension

how so many are worried about what might happen to their PARTY if leadership acted forcefully and decisively against Donald Trump. Our COUNTRY is actually being attacked by the president of the United States. Every institution, every ideal, every norm, every standard blown to bits.

And here we sit....waiting....pondering....giving a little more time to....being a little more patient toward....finding another excuse for....calculating political risks about....

This isn’t the time for trial balloons whispered in a news reporter’s ear, it’s time for a full-on leadership news conference stating exactly what’s at stake, which is everything.

[DallasNE]

30. This Shows That There Is Corruption And There Is Corruption

Corruption like Tea Pot Dome were solved somewhat easily because the corruption was limited. Here the corruption is perverse where law enforcement/justice is in on the corruption so the laws intended as a check and balance are worthless because they are just ignored. Indeed, this dwarfs corruption like Tea Pot Dome, Watergate and Iran-Contra - all, incidentally, were Republican administrations.

[meadowlander]

31. Potentially world history. The global oil cartels are making their power play.

This is a transnational crisis where a series of sovereign democracies are being systematically undermined and corrupted to serve the interests of a small group of wealthy families looking to cash in on the death-throes of the petroleum and natural gas industries before vast tracts of the planet become permanently uninhabitable.

[Botany]

33. The biggest crime in our history

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212465292

[moondust]

34. Coincidentally,

~
Netanyahu needs a 61-member right-wing coalition to win immunity if the attorney general decides to indict him for 3 cases of corruption after his upcoming hearing on Oct. 3.

He'd also need 61 to pass a law allowing the Knesset to overrule the supreme court if it were to conclude Netanyahu’s immunity status were illegal.

http://www.axios.com/israel-election-preview-netanyahu-immunity-indictment-9b13d7e6-4887-4b6a-a77d-cfdd689fe6ad.html

So Bibi and Bimbo are basically in the same boat--desperados trying every scheme they can think of to remain Dear Leader in order to avoid prosecution. Are the BFFs plotting their escape routes together?

Rule of Law: RIP.

[panfluteman]

60. October 3rd??? That's when the planet Pluto comes to a station and goes direct!!!

[MFM008]

35. I agree 1000%

I have thought the same all along.

[duforsure]

37. We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg

Of illegal treasonous acts from trump , his family, and the GOP, and putin with trump are desperately trying to illegally get information on the rest of Congress, and all candidates and others who oppose them from exposure. This has all signs of Putin now.

[kentuck]

38. I think we are getting an inside view of sorts of the international crime syndicate.

How they work? Where they work? Who they work with? What banks are involved? How they make money? Etc...

[jimlup]

39. By orders of magnitude actually

and to make matters worse - it will likely not result in any meaning prosecutions. If there were actually a working congress and judicial system we would not need to wait until the 2020 elections.

I fear that the 2020 elections will not ultimately deliver relief either.

[volstork]

43. I don't think there is any question

that this is THE biggest scandal in the history of our nation. The entirety of the government has been corrupted. IMO, this has happened because it was ALLOWED to happen. When nixon was allowed to interfere in the Viet Nam peace talks in order to win the election, a precedent was set that then allowed reagan and poppy bush to interfere with the hostages in Iran in order to win the 1980 election. Gore did not challenge the 2000 SCOTUS judicial fiat that installed W in the WH; he then proceeded to deplete Clinton's budget surplus in an illegal war that still drags on. To date, no one has been held accountable for the theft of the 2016 election. If this pattern continues for much longer, there will be nothing left to save.

THEY MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Until there are actual consequences for breaking the law, these criminals will continue to tear away at the fabric of this nation BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN.

[defacto7]

46. With all due respect and appreciation for your contributions to DU...

Duh!

[KPN]

47. May be?!

No question ... and it has been for almost 3 years.

[bitterross]

50. I beleive WE, the loyal opposition, do understand the magnitude.

The unfortunate fact is the majority of US citizens are oblivious. They are not as engaged in the current events and what they mean as people here on this site. Most of them have their faces glued to Instagram.

Even if the news reporting were more accurate and the so-called liberal media were reporting with hair on fire, a majority of the electorate wouldn't notice.

Get out the vote is critical. Get out the truth and get people engaged is even more so.

[MBS]

55. Yes to every word you wrote. n/t

[Catch2.2]

56. And yet...

The Dems do very little about it. The Republicans know they can now get away with anything. There is little to no consequence for their actions. I am quickly losing faith in the Dem leadership.

[berksdem]

58. And...

Not one dam thing will come of it...

[bucolic_frolic]

59. Pelosi is waiting for the opportune moment

when public opinion, intelligence community, and a few Republicans align. It's coming.

[bucolic_frolic]

61. America was a new nation, independent of foreign influence

Foreign, global, international capital, depending on the time period referenced, was always going to try to get their hooks into American bounty. And our businessmen sold it to them, to make money. Old money is devouring our relatively new American experiment in democracy.

David McCullough's "John Adams" details how the new America almost wasn't. We needed money. We had to beg and borrow overseas for capital to fund our government. Our ideals were only going to endure as long as we could be sovereign, but we needed money to accomplish it. That is a point we do not understand today. Our will to defend ourselves, our ideals, our concept of human rights now depends on our will because we have the money and credit we need. But our political will is flagging. We have been sold out. Our voters don't understand the connections between ideals and political will, between values and sovereignty. Trump convinced enough of them in the right places that wearing a red hat was all we stood for, that the enemy was our freedom and not foreign intrigue. Our citizens are stupid, they know more about football and Hollywood than the Bill of Rights. Trump didn't create this, he is just the current and most significant iteration of opportunist.

[kentuck]

63. It was pretty bad when the British marched thru Washington, DC and burned down the Capitol..

We spent between then and the WWI that we built the United States into a military power. After WWII, we had become one of the military powers of the Twentieth century.

In my opinion, America is at another crossroads.

[George II]

62. Indeed. But just yesterday a Congresswoman said a bigger scandal is not impeaching.

[kentuck]

64. Some politicians use hyperbole to gauge the degree of passion in a given issue.

By that standard, we could say the Republicans sleeping at the switch and complicit in the attack upon our democracy, are an even bigger scandal than Democrats not impeaching?

Although, if proven true, these charges against Trump and the Republicans would be bigly important.

[LiberalLovinLug]

68. It is

Unless you really think that looking the other way for the biggest scandal in 243 years of American history is fine.

[George II]

71. Hasn't anyone been watching what the House committees have been doing?

They can't prosecute until they build their case.

[Bradical79]

81. If we don't impeach, she will be right

Another Congresswoman has already gone to considerable lengths to normalize his behaviour through statements saying that she didn't want him impeached, and convincing other Democrats to step back from supporting impeachment. Democrats are in serious danger of being known as rolling over while our Constitution is stomped into the ground, and our planet burns.

History is not on the side of those looking for the Democratic leadership to actually do the right thing. The '00 election was stolen, Democrats rolled over. Bush started a devastating war that lead to a horrific loss of life, and Democrats rolled over. Trump is putting kids in concentration camps, so Democrats decided to better fund said concentration camps.

[AncientGeezer]

65. "Nothing else even comes close." I strongly disagree.....Slavery ring a bell?

[kentuck]

66. I don't think slavery should be called a "scandal"...

It is beyond that descriptive word.

That would be like saying the Civil War was a "scandal".

Just my opinion.

[AncientGeezer]

67. I call it an abomination..& more than a mere "scandal"...

but....how do you gauge what is a "scandal" and it's severity?
Is the Russian interference in '16 a "scandal" of importance? Maybe the worst "scandal" because we got the trumpanzee to begin with?
Anything post Nov'16 is just a continuation of that shit show...."scandal".

[Skittles]

74. poliitally, the presidency being stolen from the first female winner comes to mind

you are correct, this is just the continuation of THAT scandal

[AncientGeezer]

75. Wasn't "stolen".... The EC is what it is....but I get your point

[George II]

72. That was horrible, but at the time it wasn't illegal to have slaves.

[AncientGeezer]

73. Because it was legal it wasn't scandalous? That's the OP.."scandal"

A scandal doesn't have to be an illegal activity.

[empedocles]

80. There is a scale out there where trump measures up as the worst.

In the meantime I have to respect Geez, your point about slavery,; the length and depth of the corrupt misery it caused is very big on a properly defined scale.

The Robber Baron's also fit on the slavery scale.

[thegoose]

76. The criminal party has been trying this since Nixon

And now they've found their perfect useless idiot thanks to Pootie. All they want is to destroy everything. They are from hell.

[Orrex]

78. The most important thing now, as always, is to keep our powder dry

Sure, Republicans are shitting all over the Constitution and the Republic, but the American people elected the Blue Wave with one thing in mind and one thing only: permanent inaction.

Blah blah blah they're planning this and investigating that. Fuck that. We need action. The world needs action. History needs action.

And, if Democrats continue with their tried-and-true strategy of ineffectual strategizing, history will record how handily they, along with Republicans, enabled Trump's complete destruction of the country.

[RobinA]

82. Pffft!

I doubt it. Did he shoot someone on 5th Ave? Nope? Fuggedaboudit. It’s a new week, new story comin’ down the pike. Only a matter of time.

[matt819]

83. You are so right

And the ones for whom it’s too much just say they’re not going to run for re-election. They don’t speak out. They are complicit, though. And the ones who stay, and those like Lewandowski and most of Fox News? They are not merely enablers. They are collaborators. And many may well be co-conspirators.

History will not judge them well.

[FakeNoose]

84. The Republican Party should be on its last legs

I mean, I really hope it's going down. And I can't understand why they haven't ... yet!
That party has no moral/legal reason to continue.

[customerserviceguy]

86. They've been delivering results

to people who hate the Democratic Party. That's how they manage to survive.

[pansypoo53219]

87. check out NYC's on the media this week. we should impeach the moron on emoluments. 6 mil worth.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

88. Ok..been 100% out of pocket long weekend. When

I left..it was trump and Ukraine. Love what you wrote..but In 10 words or less. How did this all blow up bigger?

[lordsummerisle]

90. Governments don't last forever and

the great American experiment is drawing to a close. It doesn't have to happen this way but the public seems not to care enough. On the plus side think of all the stories you can tell your grandchildren when they ask about the USA...