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I don't take this statement lightly because service is the highest calling to me.
If you or a family member is thinking or in the process of enlisting in any of the Armed Services, don't.
This is a dangerous situation with an even more dangerous Commander in Chief.
woodsprite
(11,910 posts)That the military already had 4 of my sons cousins, son isnt a gun humper, he already has a full ride to college, and there was no way he would consider serving the current commander in chief.
I wasnt that blunt the first 2 times they called me at my work. Son gave them my contact number (not his own) when they came to high school with a rock climbing wall and they were collecting info.
Laffy Kat
(16,376 posts)I signed one and they still tried to recruit both my kids.
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UTUSN
(70,678 posts)He was going to go in a couple of months. I told him, you have your mother and little brother to take care of, you already went, and this is a phony war. He wasn't a big talker, didn't tell me what he was going to do but didn't go.
There was a chickenhawk around, telling me the thank-you-for-your-service thing, the kind who are saying it because you went so they didn't have to go. And the vet walked in and I said to the chickenhawk, if this guy comes back in a box don't talk to me, don't try to shake hands. He said, "I didn't do it!" I said, you love (Shrub), you're cheerleading for this war but *you* don't go!
Anyway, the vet didn't go.
lame54
(35,283 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,376 posts)They wouldn't do it anyway. I am thankful for our military but would not let mine enlist for the reasons we go to war now. I would encourage them to join the National Guard except I know they could still be deployed for fighting an oil war.
Brother Buzz
(36,414 posts)Hell, you could wake up and discover you're being commanded by a mad Saudi prince.
Aussie105
(5,377 posts)I have to wonder why anyone would consider the Armed Services as High Calling.
Get trained (to kill), get sent overseas (to kill), come back alive, if lucky, physically and/or psychologically scarred, get neglected by the supposed veterans' support system?
And all because some draft avoider, Commander Bone_Spurs, decided for some abstract ideas, it would be a good thing?
By all means join up and be patriotic if your own country is being attacked by invaders.
(Older Vietnamese in Vietnam still talk about the Vietnam War as an American invasion.)
Sorry if I'm being offensive, but it had to be said.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)I was trained to fix radar and avionics fire control systems. The only time I touched a gun was in boot camp and I served for 20 years. I was able to see over a dozen countries, something I would never be able to do as a civilian, and had all of my bachelors and most of my masters degree paid for.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)In economically depressed areas, for kids who can't afford college, the service is often a way to get a marketable skill, and if they stay in long enough, decent college benefits.
Most soldiers in today's service handle a gun during basic training, then rarely after.
A majority come home just fine, having pushed a pencil, a wrench, a keyboard, or a radio instead of a rifle.
You're not being offensive, just demonstrating ignorance.
AllyCat
(16,177 posts)What a horrible period in our history this has been.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)former9thward
(31,973 posts)The 21st century has been far more peaceful than the 20th so far. By 1919 17 million had died in WW I alone.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)From my point of view, it's that so much potential and goodness has been, and is still being, squandered. And in my mind, that's the flaming bag of crap.
Initech
(100,062 posts)Seriously they are the worst country on earth.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)and his guys will do. They diverted military funds for his wall. Its like he is king.
So, why can he not do a draft, off the cuff, and demand all 18 year olds to fight. He follows no rules. My wife and I worried about this in 2016.
Im less concerned about enlisting, but more concerned about how he will force every young guy to fight in his army.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)Nephew serving in Korea right now.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Those who enlist in the Navy and Air Force would probably remain quite safe.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Iraq. He knew Bush Jr. lied, screwed up and got us into an intractable war over a lie and he himself attacked the Bush family for this when Jeb was running. He knows that the president can be held liable for a failed effort (see also: Vietnam). It's been 2.5 years and to me he seems fairly reticent to use our military. We could have imagined much more military action for this guy, yes?
And, indeed, this "tough guy's" first military action as president got Americans killed:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-trump-team-s-first-military-raid-went-wrong-n806246
I think Trump the "branding" guy (yes, also moron), knows this is a potential P.R. nightmare. War is a massive "question mark." Here's one example where his cowardice reveals his ignorance: he literally doesn't know WHAT to do (outside of mouthing off on Twitter).
I wouldn't encourage anyone to enlist in the military; You are giving the decision over your life to someone else who may be a moron. That may work out for you, but maybe you also die young...
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)I wholeheartedly agree with you!!!
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)I would not want to be in the military and have my life in his hands.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)my family member enlisting ever. I consider the high calling bit to be the result of propaganda carried out to get people to enlist. I get why the military might be a good deal for some people, then by all means, enlist. But higher calling? No.