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RandySF

(58,740 posts)
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 12:22 AM Sep 2019

Tweet - Do not let your loved ones enlist in the military at this time,


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Red T Raccoon
@RedTRaccoon
I don't take this statement lightly because service is the highest calling to me.

If you or a family member is thinking or in the process of enlisting in any of the Armed Services, don't.

This is a dangerous situation with an even more dangerous Commander in Chief.
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Tweet - Do not let your loved ones enlist in the military at this time, (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2019 OP
Well, guess I did ok then by telling the recruiter woodsprite Sep 2019 #1
When my boys were in school we had to sign a release so they would NOT be approached by a recruiter. Laffy Kat Sep 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author helpisontheway Sep 2019 #2
I take credit for talking a vet (6 yrs Army from before) from enlisting into Shrub's Iraq attack UTUSN Sep 2019 #3
Can't stop an adult lame54 Sep 2019 #4
No way I would ever let my boys kill or be killed for oil. Laffy Kat Sep 2019 #5
Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoo-Bananas in charge. Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #7
As a long time pacifist Aussie105 Sep 2019 #8
I didn't have the discipline for college when I was 17 and I knew it. Revanchist Sep 2019 #14
Few consider it a 'high calling'. Most consider it a way to get a skill / college. X_Digger Sep 2019 #20
Neighbor's son enlisted last week. So scared for him. AllyCat Sep 2019 #9
The 21st century thus far has been one big flaming bag of crap. Efilroft Sul Sep 2019 #16
Not really. former9thward Sep 2019 #18
Point taken. Efilroft Sul Sep 2019 #22
Um... Saudi Arabia can go fuck itself with a rusty spoon. Initech Sep 2019 #10
No way. My youngest son will graduate from high school this year. I don't know what Trump rusty quoin Sep 2019 #11
Too late. xmas74 Sep 2019 #12
Does this include the Coast Guard? Kaleva Sep 2019 #13
I agree Trump could do almost anything at any time. However, he seems war-phobic, possibly due to NCLefty Sep 2019 #15
My husband enlisted after we invaded Afghanistan. AwakeAtLast Sep 2019 #17
People mean nothing to Trump. They are expendible. lpbk2713 Sep 2019 #19
I Wouldn't Want RobinA Sep 2019 #21

woodsprite

(11,910 posts)
1. Well, guess I did ok then by telling the recruiter
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 12:35 AM
Sep 2019

That the military already had 4 of my son’s cousins, son isn’t a gun humper, he already has a full ride to college, and there was no way he would consider serving the current commander in chief.

I wasn’t that blunt the first 2 times they called me at my work. Son gave them my contact number (not his own) when they came to high school with a rock climbing wall and they were collecting info.

Laffy Kat

(16,376 posts)
6. When my boys were in school we had to sign a release so they would NOT be approached by a recruiter.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:34 AM
Sep 2019

I signed one and they still tried to recruit both my kids.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

UTUSN

(70,678 posts)
3. I take credit for talking a vet (6 yrs Army from before) from enlisting into Shrub's Iraq attack
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:18 AM
Sep 2019

He was going to go in a couple of months. I told him, you have your mother and little brother to take care of, you already went, and this is a phony war. He wasn't a big talker, didn't tell me what he was going to do but didn't go.

There was a chickenhawk around, telling me the thank-you-for-your-service thing, the kind who are saying it because you went so they didn't have to go. And the vet walked in and I said to the chickenhawk, if this guy comes back in a box don't talk to me, don't try to shake hands. He said, "I didn't do it!" I said, you love (Shrub), you're cheerleading for this war but *you* don't go!

Anyway, the vet didn't go.







Laffy Kat

(16,376 posts)
5. No way I would ever let my boys kill or be killed for oil.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:31 AM
Sep 2019

They wouldn't do it anyway. I am thankful for our military but would not let mine enlist for the reasons we go to war now. I would encourage them to join the National Guard except I know they could still be deployed for fighting an oil war.

Brother Buzz

(36,414 posts)
7. Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoo-Bananas in charge.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:39 AM
Sep 2019

Hell, you could wake up and discover you're being commanded by a mad Saudi prince.

Aussie105

(5,377 posts)
8. As a long time pacifist
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:58 AM
Sep 2019

I have to wonder why anyone would consider the Armed Services as High Calling.

Get trained (to kill), get sent overseas (to kill), come back alive, if lucky, physically and/or psychologically scarred, get neglected by the supposed veterans' support system?
And all because some draft avoider, Commander Bone_Spurs, decided for some abstract ideas, it would be a good thing?

By all means join up and be patriotic if your own country is being attacked by invaders.
(Older Vietnamese in Vietnam still talk about the Vietnam War as an American invasion.)

Sorry if I'm being offensive, but it had to be said.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
14. I didn't have the discipline for college when I was 17 and I knew it.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 05:12 AM
Sep 2019

I was trained to fix radar and avionics fire control systems. The only time I touched a gun was in boot camp and I served for 20 years. I was able to see over a dozen countries, something I would never be able to do as a civilian, and had all of my bachelors and most of my masters degree paid for.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
20. Few consider it a 'high calling'. Most consider it a way to get a skill / college.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:36 PM
Sep 2019

In economically depressed areas, for kids who can't afford college, the service is often a way to get a marketable skill, and if they stay in long enough, decent college benefits.

Most soldiers in today's service handle a gun during basic training, then rarely after.

A majority come home just fine, having pushed a pencil, a wrench, a keyboard, or a radio instead of a rifle.



You're not being offensive, just demonstrating ignorance.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
9. Neighbor's son enlisted last week. So scared for him.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:48 AM
Sep 2019

What a horrible period in our history this has been.

former9thward

(31,973 posts)
18. Not really.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:02 PM
Sep 2019

The 21st century has been far more peaceful than the 20th so far. By 1919 17 million had died in WW I alone.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
22. Point taken.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:11 PM
Sep 2019

From my point of view, it's that so much potential and goodness has been, and is still being, squandered. And in my mind, that's the flaming bag of crap.

Initech

(100,062 posts)
10. Um... Saudi Arabia can go fuck itself with a rusty spoon.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:56 AM
Sep 2019

Seriously they are the worst country on earth.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
11. No way. My youngest son will graduate from high school this year. I don't know what Trump
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:37 AM
Sep 2019

and his guys will do. They diverted military funds for his wall. It’s like he is king.

So, why can he not do a draft, off the cuff, and demand all 18 year olds to fight. He follows no rules. My wife and I worried about this in 2016.

I’m less concerned about enlisting, but more concerned about how he will force every young guy to fight in his army.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
13. Does this include the Coast Guard?
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 04:50 AM
Sep 2019

Those who enlist in the Navy and Air Force would probably remain quite safe.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
15. I agree Trump could do almost anything at any time. However, he seems war-phobic, possibly due to
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 05:34 AM
Sep 2019

Iraq. He knew Bush Jr. lied, screwed up and got us into an intractable war over a lie and he himself attacked the Bush family for this when Jeb was running. He knows that the president can be held liable for a failed effort (see also: Vietnam). It's been 2.5 years and to me he seems fairly reticent to use our military. We could have imagined much more military action for this guy, yes?

And, indeed, this "tough guy's" first military action as president got Americans killed:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-trump-team-s-first-military-raid-went-wrong-n806246

I think Trump the "branding" guy (yes, also moron), knows this is a potential P.R. nightmare. War is a massive "question mark." Here's one example where his cowardice reveals his ignorance: he literally doesn't know WHAT to do (outside of mouthing off on Twitter).

I wouldn't encourage anyone to enlist in the military; You are giving the decision over your life to someone else who may be a moron. That may work out for you, but maybe you also die young...

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
19. People mean nothing to Trump. They are expendible.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:05 PM
Sep 2019


I would not want to be in the military and have my life in his hands.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
21. I Wouldn't Want
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:42 PM
Sep 2019

my family member enlisting ever. I consider the “high calling” bit to be the result of propaganda carried out to get people to enlist. I get why the military might be a good deal for some people, then by all means, enlist. But higher calling? No.

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