Who treats female customers like this?

[HipChick]

Faulty gas terminal, and they went to ask for money back...

– Multiple people are facing criminal charges after a video of an assault at a gas station went viral on social media.

Pittsburgh Police say multiple people now face criminal charges after a fight on the 2500 block of Brighton Road on Friday just before 7 p.m.

Police say the fight occurred between the men who own the Exxon gas station and two female customers.

On Saturday, protestors surrounded the Pittsburgh gas station, shutting down the business after footage of the fight went viral.

KDKA’s Chris Hoffman reports the protestors say they were upset about the fight that was caught on camera.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/09/21/north-side-gas-station-assault/

[packman]

1. Well----

Police should have been called before punches thrown.

[Lucid Dreamer]

30. Packman, I agree.

Even if they got surprised by the punches they should have abandoned the altercation and left.

At about 1:05 they made a bad mistake by going towards the business. The were unrestrained at that time and free to go and get the appropriate law enforcement involved.

Self-defense does not include re-engaging an aggressor for a few bux. That is more like self-abuse.

And worse, if they had actually gone into the store and injured the clerks, they may have lost their case for justification because the lost their innocence by pursuing the clerks. [Note: Different states have different rules. Know before you go.]

[brush]

34. Can't believe you're blaming victimized women who were held...

down and beaten by two men. Better look at the video again to get your priorities straight.

[Downtown Hound]

2. Whoa. I've dealt with plenty of rude and crazy customers before

But I never beat the shit out of them like that. Especially women. Not cool.

[Demovictory9]

3. wow. that will be the end of their jobs/business. A few years ago, two store workers

came outside and kicked / beat homeless woman. the video went viral. they lost their jobs

[Lady Freedom Returns]

12. At least there was video.

Stuff like this happens a lot to homeless. But not always video to back it up. There are those store owners and workers who know where the camera are and how to erace the video. And because it's a homeless person reporting it, many police officers will not really do much investigating.

[LiberalFighter]

16. They can't erase video from phone videos that easy.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

22. No. But they can security camera.

There is not always somebody with a phone around. At least not always people that care. Sadly plenty of people that enjoy watching homeless get beat up are plentiful.

[LiberalFighter]

24. It use to be no one doing video on their phone. But a lot more common now.

Which makes it riskier for criminals.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

38. It still remains the question...

If those people close enough to film it care enough to film it or not?

[LiberalFighter]

44. But it is still an option that was not previously available.

The odds are that someone will.

[dalton99a]

4. Protesters block traffic

[Ms. Toad]

5. So it would be just fine if the customer was male?

Why mention the gender of the customer?

[tblue37]

7. Because in most cases women are smaller and weaker than men, and when that is the

case, as it usually is, it is even more reprehensible for the (larger, stronger) men to attack the (smaller, weaker) individual.

[Ms. Toad]

9. If that happens true, in this case, then mention the size and strength - not the gender.

Identifying gender as the important characteristic (or using gender as a stand-in for stereotypical characteristics) just perpetuates gender discrimination.

[Lucid Dreamer]

26. When cases like this get to court you can bet gender...

will be brought up.

The attorney for the woman will say something like: My small, weak, defenseless, female client was assaulted by a big, strong, aggressive male clerk... yadda yadda yadda...

Proportionality may well be a factor in the case. If it were my daughter as victim I would consider it to be malpractice to fail to bring it up.

[Ms. Toad]

28. what will be broght up, if relevant

will be strength and size difference. Gender is legally irrelevant.

[brush]

32. They have the video. All they have to do is show it.

[Lucid Dreamer]

37. Gender is NOT legally irrelevant.

... The basic paradigm goes something like this, “There is a fight. In the heat of the fight man A comes at
man B with a weapon, man B picks up a similar weapon, uses similar force, and kills man A.
From this scenario flow the requirements of equal force, provocation, and imminence.
This male model of conduct presents particular problems for female victims of domestic
violence who claim they acted in self-defense. First, the above standard presumes an encounter
between two men of roughly equal size and ability. Women are disadvantaged under this
model because men are typically stronger, taller, and heavier. This inequality in size and strength between men and women is problematic in light of the equal force requirement, which
precludes a person who is attacked without a deadly weapon from responding with a deadly
weapon. Preventing someone from employing a knife or a firearm when attacked only with
brute force is reasonable when it is applied to the prototype of two males of equal size and
strength, however, the requirement becomes more unreasonable as we move further from this
limited scenario. For example, requiring a five-foot-five inch woman to somehow repel an
assault by a six-foot-two inch intoxicated man without employing weapons in her defense seems
neither reasonable nor fair.

116 CYNTHIA K. GILLESPIE, JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE: BATTERED WOMAN, SELF-DEFENSE, AND THE LAW 19 (1989). 117 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: HOW THE LAW FAILS WOMEN, http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/311. 118 Taylor, supra note 43, at 1701.

There are plenty of cases where gender is a relative factor. It would be folly to ignore them. It is not insulting or sexist to bring up what may be disadvantages in a violent situation. That could result in unjust incarceration or financial woe.

[GulfCoast66]

27. Oh please...

Men beating up women is considered by all political groups as especially shitty and wrong. And yeah, men beating up men is also wrong. But beating a woman still deserves a special sense of loathing as they are regularly beaten and are generally smaller and less physically strong than men. In my it’s a valid point to make in an article or on a forum.

Unless you think the article should specify a group of cis-males set upon to cis-females at a gas station. If so, well that’s fine. But it seems extraneous in this case.

And that, by definition would mean also calling them in the article as trans-gender if not cis. The Transgender people I work with would be horrified at the notion. As a matter of fact, if either were attacked in such a manner the article would still say women because no one would know any differently.

[Ms. Toad]

33. The article did not suggest the treatment was gender-based

or imply that it was somehow worse to treat women this way.

Men beating up women is no more reprehensible than men beating up men. To suggest it is perpetuates gender bias.

If you want to talk about a power differential (outnumbering the victim, being heavier or stronger than the victim, etc.) there's nothing wrong with that. The presumption that the dynamic exists because of gender is where gender stereotyping comes in.

Although I'm not in favor of anyone being in the military - but to make the point here -it is precisely the perpetuation of these stereotypes that had prevented women from having equal opportunities to men in the military.

[GulfCoast66]

36. I see your point and respect it. But on part of it I disagree. Not the spirit of it.

But the reality of it. Women are far more likely to get beaten. Usually by a male partner. I’ve personally had someone I work with have it drive her to suicide.

As long as that paradigm exist I’m all for maintaining the extra bit of condemnation we have traditionally placed on men hitting a women. Pretending that gender does not play a role in the likelihood of being beaten does not change the fact that it does.

One thing that is not a stereotype but true. Men are generally bigger and stronger than the women they live with. At least in their younger and middle aged years.

Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree. But I think beating a woman is as bad as it gets.

[Mike 03]

6. OMFG.

I hear there's a gas station property for sale in Pittsburgh.

[nini]

8. I'm sure race didn't play into it either

What a shitshow.

[virgogal]

11. Most of the men seem to be Indian so I doubt that race was a factor.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. Anti-black bigotry crosses racial lines.

[athena]

19. This.

I've seen so many instances of one minority disparaging another. I have friends who will complain about being discriminated against in one breath, and then immediately make offensive generalizations about another group.

[stopdiggin]

39. extremely common (nt)

[Demsrule86]

14. Some Indian men are racist as shit...generally...the ones I knew in my various moves were anyway.

[dalton99a]

15. +1. "Indians cannot make common cause with them"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/03/what-did-mahatma-gandhi-think-of-black-people/

What did Mahatma Gandhi think of black people?
By Rama Lakshmi
September 3, 2015

* In an open letter to the Natal Parliament in 1893, Gandhi wrote:

“I venture to point out that both the English and the Indians spring from a common stock, called the Indo-Aryan. … A general belief seems to prevail in the Colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than savages or the Natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”

* At a speech in Mumbai in 1896, Gandhi said that the Europeans in Natal wished “to degrade us to the level of the raw kaffir whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”

* In 1939, Gandhi justified his counsel to the Indian community in South Africa against forming a non-European front: “I have no doubt about the soundness of my advice. However much one may sympathise with the Bantus, Indians cannot make common cause with them.”

[brush]

31. I found out recently also myself that Ghandi was a racist.

It was disappointing to say the least. Seems he wanted to be white as brown as he was. Poor, misguided man. One less hero off my list.

[HipChick]

17. Some Indians are more racists to blacks...

than anything else...look down upon them...

[nini]

23. It's sad you believe that

[GulfCoast66]

25. Au Contraire. You think only Lilly white folks are biased against African Americans?

I’d like to introduce you to some Japanese businessmen I had a dinner with. Opened my eyes.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

29. Looks middle eastern to me.

[malaise]

43. Are you serious?

You think Indians are any less racist?
I hope they go broke but my question is was the gas pump rigged to rob customers?

[obamanut2012]

10. WTAF - I hope all of those guys ahve been arrested and charged

I thought it would be a couple of punches, but that was a mob beating up two women, including ripping out their weaves, dragging them by the hair, etc., holding them down so another one fo the men could punch them in the head and ribs.

That was 100% obviously because of their gender and race -- racism and misogyny.

I hope they sue their asses for so much they'll own the gas station.

Did anyone catch what gas company's name is on the signs? I want to tweet them so they'll go in and remove their signage.

on edit: It's Exxon. I encourage everyone to tweet or email Exxon USA about this -- I have never, ever stopped at a gas station without a gas comapny's name attached (unless it's someplace like Wawa or Sheetz), because it is sketchy AF.

[Blue_true]

18. If people are going to carry mace, they should damned know how to use it.

I would have put it right into the mens' eyes. At any rate, that store might as well close, they are finished.

[JI7]

20. they most likely do this regularly to other women

[HipChick]

21. Their wives, girlfriend, kids

I imagine..

[Demovictory9]

35. clearer view of the fight. btw... gas station is shutdown, lawyers involved

Link to tweet

[cwydro]

40. Where does he get that one of the victims is LGBTQ?

Confused here.

[Judi Lynn]

41. Big mystery to me, too. Psychic, maybe. N/T

[cwydro]

42. LOL.

Maybe one has short hair. I’ve run into that presupposition before.