Which Would Be Worse?

[lame54]

Impeaching and losing in 2020

Or

Not impeaching and losing in 2020

[Atticus]

1. If we lose in 2020, it won't make any difference. The rape of Lady Liberty will be a completed

crime and, soon after, the Four Horsemen will gallop unopposed across a doomed planet. And, yes, I am serious--- as a heart attack.

[Skittles]

2. it would be them "winning", not us losing

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

4. It would feel like losing.

It would feel like a kick in the gut.

Just like 2016.

gotv.

[GulfCoast66]

3. It would make no difference.

But your question gets to the heart of the matter.

Since he will not be removed from office there is only one thing to consider when deciding to impeach or not. Which course of action improves our chances in 2020? No other factor logically matters.

And good people can and have reached different conclusions to that question.

[VarryOn]

5. Doesn't matter if Democrats lose...

From my standpoint, impeachment is all about evicting Republicans from the White House. I honestly believe Labor Day was the cut-off for beginning the process of impeachment because I dont want it overstepping the Democratic primaries. At this point, it's all about winning 2020.

[VarryOn]

11. Trump already consumes attention unlike any other politician ever...

Mine, DU's, the media, Democrats, etc. It's already hard enough for our candidates to get through the noise. The impeachment process would amp things up by ten. The Speaker knows this. And I'm not so Trump wouldn't relish the war.

Ssuccessful Impeachment st this point would need to be over a clear, tangible, non-circumstantial offense that even Republicans would have to accept happened.

[brush]

27. There is the argument that if we impeach we lose in 2020. Not necessarily. When Clinton...

was impeached his populartiy went up but the repugs actually won the next election so that misinformation needs to be dispelled and we need to impeach the orange MFer now.

[lame54]

12. Losing w/o throwing a punch would be better?

[lame54]

18. That is not my premise at all...

I'm asking how it will feel if we lose
And we may
Without a legal fight

[Timewas]

7. Not impeaching

Would be dereliction of duty IMHO...Malfeasance of office

[JI7]

9. holding a vote for impeachment and it failing

[JI7]

10. won't make any difference

[Stuart G]

13. We will NOT lose in 2020....!!!

The Republican Party has shot itself in the head with this idiot. And I see very few if any of the Republicans coming out against Trump..that is another shot in the head...WE WILL NOT LOSE IN 2020.

[Hortensis]

21. Not an option.

[Joe941]

15. We aren't losing.

[roamer65]

16. We are't gonna lose. It will be stolen if he takes the oath on Jan 20.

[GeorgeGist]

17. Not impeaching and losing in 2020

[lame54]

19. Thanks for not dodging the question

[unblock]

20. This suggests that there's little to no difference and that energy should be devoted elsewhere.

I'm not sure impeachment (or more accurately, impeachment hearings) would make little difference even assuming republicans refuse to remove him.

That said, given that impeachment won't result in removal, perhaps it's not the right question to ask in the first place.

[athena]

22. Losing in 2020 would mean the end of democracy in the United States.

At that point, whether Trump was impeached or not wouldn't matter, since the Senate is not going to convict him one way or the other.

Instead of trying to get people angry at Pelosi, why aren't you calling your representatives and your senator?

[lame54]

24. Try actually answering the question...

And you will see this is not a rip on Pelosi

Just an theoretical exercise

[ehrnst]

25. False dillemma fallacy

Description: When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exists between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices.

[lame54]

28. Or avoiding the question altogether

[ehrnst]

29. The "false" part of term false dilemma is what you may be missing in my response.

[lame54]

31. Didn't miss it...l

Just don't see where it's false
I am asking a gut reaction question
I rephrased it here...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212488707

Most have over thought it
Few actually answered it

[ehrnst]

32. I called out the obvious and faulty premise of your question

and you are unhappy with that.

I can understand that.

[PufPuf23]

26. If the Democratic led House does not impeach Trump,

the Democratic party is going to lose many voters in 2020, not just for POTUS but top to bottom.

Not impeaching and losing in 2020 is worse.

Impeachment, even without Senate conviction, will add votes to Democratic candidates in the 2020 election.

This should be a no-brainer but we are not privy to all considerations.

[TCJ70]

30. Easily not impeaching is worse.

I want Dems to be able to say they did everything they could in this situation. Not that they let Republican intransigence force them into abdicating their duty to the constitution.

It’s a much stronger case for the general election that you used the power you had than not.