Ocasio-Cortez: Democratic refusal to impeach Trump is a 'bigger scandal' than Trump's lawbreaking

[Snake Plissken]

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/ocasio-cortez-democratic-refusal-to-impeach-trump-is-a-bigger-national-scandal-than-trumps-lawbreaking/

She's not entirely wrong.

Sitting back and allowing your enemy to destroy or country because it makes your enemy look bad, doesn't make you look any better

... the end result is a destroyed country.

[Cirque du So-What]

1. That's one way of looking at it

Another way is that obstructionists in the traitorous party will block a vote in the Senate, meaning impeachment must be well-prepared to the point that opposition cannot be viewed as anything but partisan.

[Snake Plissken]

2. That's the problem it's all about how it will be viewed ... as opposed from saving the nation

meanwhile we have to continue suffering through it day after day, but maybe if we're patient in 20 or 30 years we might finally have the "correct optics" to do something about this type of blatant in your face corruption and criminality in our government.

[Cirque du So-What]

7. Where did I say a single word about optics?

Also, hyperbole much? Implying that if action doesn't happen right now, it never will? Sorry, I'm not locked into a binary worldview.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Very well put. We watched the story unfold on

Thursday and then went out of town and were off the grid all weekend. So it's easy to see the pattern clearly. Trump does something amazingly horrible. We are appalled. This is IT!! Everyone waits thinking we will do something. Trump explains it away turns it on us. Then it fizzles out.

This is not about the messenger Folks. And dissing her ignores the fact that we are not holding him accountable. Waiting for 2020 when we have not protected the election is extremely naive.

[Saint PeLSU]

37. That excuse is tiring...

They brag about passing bills the Senate isn't even bring up. We have the power to referee. Do we throw the flag on the obvious are do we sit as blind as the refs like when the Saints played the Rams

[justhanginon]

3. Remind me again, what party does the star of Huffington Post represent?

With friends like her, who needs enemies. Not a fan!

[ehrnst]

8. Formerly on the board of Justice Democrats, who say that

"It's time to rebuild the Democratic Party from scratch."

Rebuilding from scratch, unlike improving, requires demolition.

“There is going to be a war within the party. We are going to lean into it,” said Waleed Shahid, the group’s spokesman.

https://keywiki.org/Justice_Democrats

[still_one]

4. More of her grandstanding divisionary bullshit. Being against the direction of where the party

“appears” to be dealing with trump is one thing, but playing the “Jill Stein” card saying Democrats are worse than trump is absolutely nonsense, and from my perspective she loses credibility with this

[democrank]

5. It's about the country

not the Democratic Party.

[justhanginon]

13. And where will the country be if we have to endure four more years of Republican

destruction of our country both morally and physically? We need to put our efforts into winning the election and quit divisive statements that can be used against us. Changing the narrative from both the republican party and trump's obvious corrupting of our government to blaming the Democratic party is not helpful to say the least.

[DFW]

6. A bigger scandal than Trump? What, has she missed her quota of headlines for the month?

How about, "my party's leadership has concluded that they prefer an approach that is far more slow and deliberate than the one I would have taken."

When Pelosi decides to fund an otherwise non-existent primary challenge to AOC out of sheer spite, THEN she can cry "scandal." Except that I think Pelosi has too much class to stoop to that level.

[OKNancy]

9. She means well, but

She tends to use hyperbole too often. This is not a bigger scandal than Trump's lawbreaking. That is way over the top.
I wish she would act more like Katie Porter who is taken seriously.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. Dems lock children in cages? Dems sell secrets to our enemies?

AOC needs to re-think her hyperboles.

[ehrnst]

11. Indeed. (nt_

[Snake Plissken]

15. You're missing the whole point

Am I supposed to feel morally superior and better about those children being locked in cages because I don't support Trump?

Do you think the children in those cages care who locked them in there or who is waiting until it's politically convenient to do something about it?

[SlogginThroughIt]

24. politically convenient?

I am sorry but unless we are all down there storming the facilities and breaking them out we are then all guilty of political convenience. Democrats cannot simply change the situation and blaming them instead of the assholes that put them there is ridiculous.

I am tired of reading this shit on this site.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

25. Democratic Party did NOT lock them in cages

The whole point is that we have to be united to fight those who consider those children disposable.

The scandal of not impeaching at this moment is nowhere near as big as caging children, poisoning air and water for profit, selling national secrets, selling off public lands, destroying wilderness for oil exploration, enabling Nazis and white supremacists, feeding taxpayer dollars into Trumps' pockets, destablizing the Middle East, laundering Russian mob money for Moscow Mitch, continuing to aid in the exacerbation of the largest humanitarian crisis in the world, and actively working to make the planet cook.

We hold a majority in 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government. Division weakens us. Who will hold the line if we lose that fingerhold?

Is it more scandalous to acknowledge that some are not yet convinced impeachment is tenable, or more scandalous to attack the only body that has a chance to halt the attack on life and the rule of law?

[kcr]

43. It's more about how you should feel if you DO support Trump

Because claiming that Dems are worse than Trump is effectively supporting Trump. AOC might as well go full-on with her act and start calling it the Democrat Party while she's at it. Trump appreciates it. It's why a Republican paid for an ad during the debates. They love it when she's in limelight, for this reason.

[justhanginon]

14. LOL!

[mountain grammy]

31. I would have never voted to hide your post

but it sure seems "kinda dumb."

[CaptainTruth]

16. Choosing to do something when it will have actual real effect is not "refusing" to do it.

[Snake Plissken]

21. That's pretty much the same con game Trump is playing

He keeps telling his supporters that he will do something which he never intends to do, and they swallow it hook line and sinker as long as he can continue convincing them he is really trying to do it.


We were promised accountability before the midterms and so far all we we're getting are a few mean Tweets and occasional cable news drama, which are meaningless to me because I don't do Twitter and I don't watch cable news.

[StarfishSaver]

22. You're saying the Dems trying to get impeachment right is the same as Trump's con game on his

supporters?

Seriously?

[Snake Plissken]

29. I've yet to see anyone trying to impeach Trump

All I've seen is a few people pretending they're thinking about it

[StarfishSaver]

40. Then you haven't been paying attention

Impeachment doesn't just happen. It's a process. And that process is moving forward.

[Duppers]

18. Not quite but it's disgusting.

Calling Pelosi's office again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. +1

[mountain grammy]

33. I call the Speaker's office almost every day..

My own Congressman supports impeachment. Good man!

[ElementaryPenguin]

20. I wish AOC was the Speaker NOW!

[Locrian]

23. I have to agree....

I'm not seeing much from the current leadership.

[EffieBlack]

27. Because accusing your colleagues of being worse than Trump shows real leadership skills

Maybe when she can lead instead of just yelling, people might take her seriously as a leader.

[still_one]

38. +++

[cstanleytech]

26. Ok time for some brutal honesty. It will not happen now both because it will be as useful as

trying to piss into the wind since there are not enough votes in the Senate and all it would do would be to galvanize the Repugnants and give Trump a platform to rally his moronic base around well before the election.
Not to mention if by some miracle enough Repugnants supported impeachment (or if Trump resigned) we would get Pence as President and he would have plenty of time to mount a campaign before the election.
So we need to stand united people and trust people like Pelosi are doing the best they can given the current situation our government is in with the Repugnants in charge of the DoJ, Senate and Presidency.

[Snake Plissken]

32. Yeah I'm told that Trump's complete destruction of the United States is good for Democrats

So I'm pretty sure that I'm just supposed to obediently stand by silence and watch it happen for the good of the party.

[mountain grammy]

34. +1

[cstanleytech]

35. Who said anything about having to obediently stand and be silent? Be vocal, scream and yell but make

sure you do it at the right people which is not Pelosi or any Democrat rather direct your anger to its proper source............the Republicans.

[dansolo]

42. There aren't even enough votes in the House

Forget about Mitch McConnell and the Senate. If an impeachment vote were to happen today, it will not take even pass. Apparently AOC wants Nancy Pelosi to threaten House members who don't currently support impeachment. That is not how she operates. If AOC really wants to be a leader, than she should be using her platform to focus her attacks on the Republicans. Notice how she never points out that only a single Republican has publicly supported impeachment. If she wants to push for impeachment, then the argument should be made to the constituents of Congressional members that are still on the fence.

How does AOC expect people to support a Democratic party led impeachment effort when her message is that Democrats are worse than Trump?

[oasis]

28. AOC or Pelosi: Which one has the better grasp of what Dems need to do?

[yaesu]

30. if the party cant stick together on this it won't on anything in the future, this may be the make

or break moment for the Democratic party. I'm talking when the time comes to impeach after wading through the swamp of obstacles put up by the fascists. Its going to take time, lets give them a little more time.

[George II]

36. Except that none of our Democratic leaders is "sitting back". There have been hearings held...

...and there are more scheduled, subpoenas have been issued, and the case is being built. Prosecutors don't hold daily or weekly press conferences announcing their trial strategy.

It would be best if those not intimately involved in the process would stop bashing our Leaders. BTW, that tweet from the NY Congresswoman was issued from Colorado!

[Saint PeLSU]

39. Hearings? You mean clock runners

[George II]

41. Hearings.