Wow. Surprised where Trump approval lowest!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Just on MSNBC, Gallup, Trump approval in some of the states he "won" in 2016:

OH 45
IA 43
PA 42
WI 41
AZ 41
GA 41
MI 40
NC 40
TX 39

[berni_mccoy]

1. Approval ratings don't matter to a dictator

What will happen if he calls the election invalid because of foreign attacks and refuses to step down? If anyone doesn’t think it will happen, they haven’t been paying attention. There is no one to hold him accountable.

[RKP5637]

2. Yep, there's a good chance IMO something like that could happen. The guy is dangerous as hell.

Many Americans, I think, are finally getting it.

[cojoel]

6. He can have the secret service haul his ass out of there

They can take him in a limo or a paddy wagon. Matters little to me. Actually the paddy wagon sounds better on further thought.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. I think they do. It means he has to be bolder and take

bigger risks to manipulate. Remember hearing that trump can "win" a state with a 45 approval rating - so it is one indicator. Some of these are dangerously close.

Hauling him out if he loses is the last thing I worry about. I worry more that there will be major chaos with the returns. Let's say his approval is at 43% in a state and our challenger has a decent lead in matchups. Then, trump mysteriously "wins". Hope we will be ready for this. And come up with a good media strategy and POA.

[lastlib]

13. I think 65-70 million people would hold him accountable for that.....

He has NO power to do that. If he doesn't leave the White House by noon ET 0n 1/20/21, I for one will be there to DRAG his fat ugly carcass OUT of it.

My 2cts.

[pangaia]

28. Can I watch?

[lastlib]

46. We're counting on you help!

(Even if only in spirit!)

Back atcha!

[patphil]

18. No one to hold him accountable?

Really?
We're looking at an election turnout of between 140 and 150 million people and a current Trump approval rating of 40%.
Assuming that 5% vote for alternate candidates, that leaves 55% voting against Trump.
If that's the case, then 77 to 82 million voters will have already held him accountable and they will be damn sure he is gone on 1/21/2021.
Also, the Secret Service is full of career people who have been there for several presidents. They aren't going to let Trump squat in the White House.
I can't imagine a situation where the people of this country would put up with Trump seizing power.
Every day Trump says something that loses him votes.
Every day the majority of people in this country look forward to seeing him gone.
They will hold him accountable.
You can be sure of that.

Patrick Phillips

[WinstonSmith4740]

43. I sure hope you're right.

Your ideas are what I've been clinging to for the last 3 years. There's no doubt he will try and either A) call off the election altogether by starting a war or something and declaring a "national emergency", or B) try and throw out election results in which he loses. He knows as soon as he leaves office, he goes to jail.

My hope has always been with the Washington career people who are there to serve The Constitution who will be wiling to haul his fat ass out of the White House at 12:01 on 1/21/2021.

[lastlib]

47. (If they're not willing, I will be....

...surely along with a few million of our friends...)

[WinstonSmith4740]

48. I bet you'l have lots of company.

I live outside of Vegas. (Go Knights Go!!) We just came through the "Storm Area 51" fiasco.
However, if a call went out to throw this bum out, I'd bet there'd be throngs in the streets outside the White House, because people would actually show up! And in all seriousness, I honestly think our military and security community would open the doors for us.

[Danascot]

62. In addition to all that

which I agree is a real concern, I'm worried about all the damage he'll do between November 3 and January 21. Nothing up to and including a nuclear holocaust is beyond him. If he's going down he'll be perfectly willing to take us all with him.

[WinstonSmith4740]

65. Unfortunately...

Very true. But again, I have to put my faith in our intelligence and military community to make sure he doesn't succeed in pulling that kind of shit. For instance, and I never knew this until about a year ago, the military CAN refuse to follow an order from him. He can't push that button alone. Besides, I'll be willing to bet they never gave him the real codes.

[jayfish]

3. I Think Texas is Slowly Waking Up to The Fact That Trump...

is all hat, no cattle.

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

4. It's hard to believe that ...

that many people still approve of him in any state. In a sane country his approval rating would be close to ZERO.

[DanTex]

5. IA is also kinda surprising to me. But yeah, TX 39, wow. Let's go Texas!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Just prime for picking... depending upon who runs

Tho. Women and In Your face liberals less likely to take it IMHO. I was thinking Beto could do it..but the people I have heard are now acting like he is the devil after his bold statements on taking AKs away. I admire him for what he said...but he pretty much screwed himself here.

[patphil]

22. It's sad to admit that someone who takes a stand against the epidemic of gun violence

would be demonized for it.
But, this is the good old USA. The home of motherhood, apple pie, and guns.
His courage is laudable. That it makes him unelectable is tragic.
What he has done is unmask the true terrorism of this nation.
Charlton Heston once said , "I'll give you my gun when you take it from my cold dead hands".
Nothing legitimizes the ownership of guns more than threats of violence.
It's the American way.

Patrick Phillips

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. Totally agree. But last week witnessed three

professional type people in a meeting become amazingly animated talking about it. "You never ever utter the words that the government will be taking guns". I said it was only the AKs and they said it did not matter.

[UniteFightBack]

41. Biden. nt

[Mazeltov Cocktail]

8. What's up with Ohio...

[Auggie]

12. My guess? The didn't bother with urban areas.

[titaniumsalute]

16. Ohio has 88 counties

About 80 of the 88 are Red...rural...Republicans. The big counties like Cuyahoga (Cleveland), Franklin (Columbus), Hamilton (Cincy), are typically blue. The mid sized cities in Summit (Akron), Montgomery (Dayton) and Lucas (Toledo) are also typically blue. Then smaller counties like Trumbull/Mahoning (Youngstown) and Athens (Ohio University.) That's about it.

[mwb970]

20. I live in Columbus.

Once you venture outside the city limits you are in deepest Trumpistan.

[Captain Zero]

36. Yep. Morrow County.

But I noticed W's total went down there by 7% from 2000 to 2004, while his totals went up in Toledo and Dayton by 7%. Morrow County too small to mess with the totals, but Rove's minions sure worked on the big counties over night. I always said that was a sign they only massage the totals in populous counties. There is more to massage. Not so obvious.

[zeusdogmom]

52. You don't have to travel outside the city

I live in a NW Columbus suburb. Trump is highly regarded. And these are educated people who travel, etc. but Republican to the deep core of their being.

[samplegirl]

61. The closer to Cleveland

the more republicans it gets. Lots of wealthy.

[we can do it]

64. More of the vote against your own best interests stupidity.

[rufus dog]

9. Texas has no state tax but very high Property Tax

So the dipshits "tax cut" would have really hit them in 2019.

I think that is why the so many Repuke Reps are retiring in Texas, they don't want to go face the constituents.

[NewJeffCT]

57. yes, a lot of those upscale suburbs

of Dallas and Houston probably aren't too happy with the Trump/Ryan tax scam

[vercetti2021]

10. Simple answer

Trump is flipping Texas blue faster.

[ehrnst]

14. Lots of TX and Mexican businesses do business with people crossing the border daily. (nt)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Yes. And it's very interesting to look at color map

of Cruz/Beto results. Lots of blue along the border. I suspect that there will be lots of pushback if trump starts grabbing land. Hmmm..maybe why no new wall has been built (before election)? Although trump offers pardons to make new wall happen? Wonder what real story is.

[AllaN01Bear]

15. if a dem wins , he who shall not be named will scream 'voter fraud " and wont concede.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. Ok here's what our winner does. Lays in wait until

The first day trump goes to golf at Mara Lago. Probably day after inauguration. Boom. Our winner moves in and changes all locks.

[Amimnoch]

17. Not surprised at all about Texas.

I was able to win a few over to our side in the 2018 mid-terms while canvassing.

Texas is a state with its own form of nationalism pride. "Don't mess with Texas" and all that kind of ridiculous crap.

Many still harbor ill feelings on the way he attacked Ted Cruz, and his family during the 2016 primary season.

Many are not happy with the rising deficit.

Many do have a problem with his "New York" persona, and find him crude and rude (also part of what turns many off on Bernie as well).

While much of the rest of the conservative south is willing to overlook it, many in Texas do have a problem with his cozying up to Russia, and North Korea, and Saudi Arabia.

This is why, up until a couple of weeks ago, I was so dedicated in my support for Beto. I saw a real chance of us capturing Texas 28 electoral votes and making the entire rust belt/Mid-west less relevant in 2020.

[onetexan]

21. i think it's more of the fact that the nonvoting Dems in Tx have finally awoken

[Six117]

19. Sadly not surprised...

That of them Ohio has the highest approval rate. I'm hopeful more folks will wake up tho. Smdh.

[lpbk2713]

23. Poor Trump. He can't help it.

He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=480

[CaptYossarian]

31. You can also quote Molly Ivins about Trump.

"He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple." (That quote was about Dubya or "Shrub&quot .

[extvbroadcaster]

24. Hard to say what will happen

Trump is incredibly dangerous. He could win again, so be prepared for that. The electoral college could again go his way. But say he loses. He could claim millions of illegal votes. He could claim fraud. He could demand recounts. He could flat out refuse to leave office. If nobody is willing to hold him accountable, anything is possible. If you could rob a bank and everyone knew you did it, but the police would not arrest you, where is the law? There is no law. You can do anything you want. That is where Trump is. On a positive note, he might just get tired of playing President and want to lose and leave. Or McDonald's might be doing a number on him and his health fails. Who knows? But our democracy is in terrible jeopardy.

[MoonRiver]

26. Who cares what he claims?

Once the new Dem president is certified and sworn in, OrangeAnus will be "escorted" out of the White House, one way or another.

[study war no more]

30. he may not win

but he'll still be in office.

[kentuck]

25. He may be the best candidate for Democrats to run against?

Because he would be the weakest?

[Dopers_Greed]

27. Texas is going blue

I've lived here 20+ years, and I have the feeling that this the election it will happen.

And I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure tre45on loses here. My friends and I convinced a ton of people to register in 2018, so we're continuing the momentum for next year.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. But how much does it matter who we put up? I am in a red

part here. A male moderate has an infinitely better chance IMHO. Just because I see rampant prejudice against liberals and women. Just MY environment is all I can speak to.

People who say we don't need TX as insurance are too optimistic. But the biggest enemy here to me is Facebook smears that spread exponentially. Repukes don't even have to campaign here

[study war no more]

29. keep these states in mind

These states will be targeted for voter intimidation and fraud.

[marlakay]

32. I am not totally surprised

My younger daughter lives there so I visit lots are very polite and full of manners. Makes me think they wouldn’t value someone with none.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. Good point. Like the wise liberals on Austin KLBJ

radio said...don't talk issues! Just demonstrate you are not trump. Biden is antitheses. Why trump and Rudy trying to knock him down.

[Hoyt]

35. Disapproval doesn't mean a lot. Ignorant white wingers will still vote for trump

when it comes down to it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Thats why they are giving him an unknown factor

To accommodate for that. And they concluded that 45 was his magic number. He can win with that.

[Midnight Writer]

49. Exactly. Mitch McConnell has long been underwater in Kentucky, yet he always cruises to a win.

[sonofabitchinbob]

37. I'm hoping the support of Saudi Arabia will be the biggest mistake

of his career, and that voters will not support a president that sends our flesh and blood to a rich country in the middle east to protect the oil when Saudi Arabia should be protecting their own. My gut tells me that possibly voters may not take too kindly to that. Possibly the polls are reflecting that. I don't think we have forgotten 9/11 quite yet.

[calimary]

39. I'm surprised it's that high.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. I know. Deplorables + disinterested + pocketbook voters.

Equals 40ish % approval.

Just one factor tho. Nominee the next. IMHO got to be someone super safe. No rock-the-boater.

[Scurrilous]

50. K&R

[Ohiogal]

51. Way to go Ohio....

[Gothmog]

53. Texas will definitely be blue in 2020

[Act_of_Reparation]

54. That's a bold statement.

[Act_of_Reparation]

55. The trouble is these numbers don't really indicate how people will vote.

Just because you hate Donald Trump doesn't mean you're going to vote for a Democrat. I don't think Ohio, for example, is in danger of breaking blue in 2020.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. You are absolutely correct. Just one important indicator.

Who runs will need to be overlayed. Think there is still a middle who could hold nose and vote trump back in.

[bmbmd]

58. As a life-long Texan, though-

I can tell you that the 39% are shrill. Very shrill.

[Skittles]

59. you should not be surprised

Texas is not as red as everyone thinks, there are HUGE pockets of sanity in Texas

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. Ya..live here..but in bad part. More surprised only in

Relationship to the other states.

[Renew Deal]

63. Is it because of eminent domain?

Or crisis created at the border?