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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/just-how-far-will-republicans-let-donald-trump-goJust how far will Republicans let Donald Trump go?
09/23/19 10:10 AM
By Steve Benen
To overlook Donald Trumps latest scandal is to let blind partisan loyalty override any sense of judgment and propriety. There are some elements of the controversy that still need to come into focus, but the available evidence already paints an ugly picture featuring a president who appeared to have abused his power and pressed a foreign government to intervene on his behalf in an American election. There are related questions about possible extortion.
In Democratic circles, the volume on the impeachment knob is approaching 11, but what about Republicans? Its safe to say theyve been quite a bit more reticent.
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Trump will go as far as his party will allow him to go, and if recent history is any guide, congressional Republicans are generally prepared to let the president do as he pleases.
Its likely well see this latest scandal unfold in the same way. Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) appeared on Fox News on Friday, conceding he doesnt know the actual facts, but nevertheless telling viewers he sees the controversy as a deep state conspiracy.
A few hours later, The Atlantics Ron Brownstein added, Every time Trump breaks a window, Republicans in Congress obediently sweep up the glass.
The consequences of such obedience for our system of government are staggering.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)since he is their only hope to holding power. They will back him no matter what he does. Sadly, so will some Democrats.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)if it is any, then list a few.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)If you cant answer those specifics then yer just flinging mud and are full of crud.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)"Impeachment is off the table"
"So I think the strategy of getting as much of the facts out and then months down the road making a decision on impeachment
A president should be indicted, if hes committed a wrongdoing any president, (The Constitution calls for impeachment, this is buck passing".
Weve got to get beyond this impeachment is the answer to every problem. Its not realistic. If thats how we are identified in Congress, as the impeachment Congress, we run the risk that people will feel were ignoring the issues that means a lot to them as families.
Stalling, stalling, and more stalling. There is no requirement for a vote on opening impeachment proceedings, only on actual articles of impeachment.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,041 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)the same question IN THIS THREAD, I am Lewandosky?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,041 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)You can type in the names of various Democratic leaders and "impeachment" and you will read all of the excuses they have given for not impeaching, despite the overwhelming evidence of criminal misconduct, up to and including, actual admission of law breaking by Trump.
You want to argue with me about evidence that has been in the news almost every day since Trump took office. Why? My view is the same as Warren's and AOC's. To continue to refuse impeach is to be complicit.
at140
(6,110 posts)just spit out the name(s).
PJMcK
(21,922 posts)Some Democrats are backing Trump?
Names, please. Otherwise, you're walking along a pretty fine line.
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SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)what can they do to stop him right now?
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)They have that power. The Speaker of the house and other leaders can declare their support for impeachment, which gives cover for Dems to fall in line behind her. Or they can continue to tell us "impeachment is off the table" and make vague statements about what they might do in the future, stalling until the election, when they will then claim that it is not fair/pragmatic to impeach right before the election.
Trump committed impeachable offenses before he even took office, but they have failed to act. They have delayed, delayed and delayed. The window to act is closing.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)They can bring articles all day but ultimately it wont have any effect on him. It dies in the senate and he says See no conviction and he is on to the next thing. Alternatively we continue to pressure him by investigating everything like we have been because....... That actually is their job, and it will have a measurable effect come voting day.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)All of the GOP has to go on record approving his criminal activity. I don't think that will help them in the 2020 election. Also, an active impeachment hearing will drive Trump over the edge to the point that all he does is rant and gibber.
Or we can just let it go, and his Russian allies rig the next election.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)election. The GOP has been on record approving his criminal activity for three years.
You really think impeachment is some sort of magic wand don't you?
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)The GOP is on record of approving of his criminal activity. For the last 3 years.
I think we are going to get an impeachment I just hope that when we do it we get everything out of it that we can. It is pretty easy to jump on the "We must do it right now" boat. I just don't see why doing it right now is so important when we can get much more out of it.
MontanaMama
(23,242 posts)As long as they're enjoying their tax cuts and unfettered power, they couldn't care less.
Bettie
(15,998 posts)they don't have any fucks to give.
Us peasants? No one cares what happens to our tiny little lives.
dchill
(38,324 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)Its time for impeachment.
duforsure
(11,882 posts)What all trump has done, and is letting it play out knowing he'll either resign, or be forced out from everything they have on him and his family. Pence will be forced out to by getting a deal to stay out of prison.Nancy is ahead of everyone else and knows she's going to win this fight.
lame54
(35,142 posts)kentuck
(110,950 posts)They are on board for the full journey .
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Nixon is still a black mark on the GOP and they will all retire and run rather than have to stand up and pick a side.
walkingman
(7,512 posts)order to maintain power. A nasty lot indeed.
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)Initech
(99,915 posts)The GOP wants absolute power. To get it, they will put up with any belligerent jackass as long as he says what they want to hear and bonus points if he trashes their opponents. And then when he's no longer needed, they will cast him aside for someone even more horrible. Wash, rinse, repeat.