I'm sick of people attacking Nancy Pelosi

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

In 2010 she almost single-handedly saved the Affordable Care Act when it appeared to be doomed. She always did everything she could to help and defend President Obama.

Nancy Pelosi went through 8 years of House Minority HELL and survived. That's exactly what being in the house minority is -- it feels like being in hell. AOC has never been in the house minority.

Nancy Pelosi had more to do with the Democrats recapture of the House in 2018 than anyone else did.

Nancy Pelosi knows far more about what's going on behind the scenes in congress than anyone who posts here.

[mcar]

1. Happy to kick this

before the Pelosi bashers chime in.

[Phoenix61]

2. Me too!

Even if she’s wrong, and I don’t think she is, attacking her is counter productive. It just feeds into the “Dems are a disorganized mess who eat their own” line.

[StarfishSaver]

3. Hear, hear!

[treestar]

4. Kick

She has some idea of what she is doing; random posters do not. It is not so easy. They seem to think she just has to say "Impeach him" and the votes will line themselves up.

[MFGsunny]

102. and you "know" this how????? n/t

[mcar]

105. Links to support this claim?

[PunkinPi]

5. K&R

[Stinky The Clown]

6. AMEN!!!

[spooky3]

7. I agree. She understands power extremely well. She knows

How to use it when she has it, and what NOT to do if she lacks the power to accomplish her objectives.

She understands how to protect her members and how to build power through investigations that will reveal information that we hope will change public sentiment, which will then empower Democrats.

She is probably as shocked as all of us at the blatant disregard for the law displayed by Donald, Mitch, and friends—which simply confirms the extent of their crimes that they now must go to great length to cover up and keep their hold on illegitimate power. This calls for a whole new approach to strategizing we have never seen before.

I appreciate all she is doing to save our country, literally, when surely she would at times much rather be sipping ice teas at the beach with her family.

[StarfishSaver]

14. She's also willing to take the heat for her Caucus

She's getting slammed daily by the media, the GOP and fellow Democrats for not forcing her Members to walk the plank before they're ready. But she just smiles and keeps on moving, standing between them and the incoming she's taking for them, giving them the cover they need while they gradually move to where she needs them to be.

[Thekaspervote]

38. Yes agree completely... all The sniveling by arm chair politicians that think they understand

And know more than they our leaders... news flash!!! You don’t

[Hortensis]

62. +100 for Starfish and you.

A life sentence to angry anxiety whenever the going gets uncertain would always be a grim prognosis, but definitely worse with the internet. Seems to me a few prone to it used to show up at most gatherings, but I don't remember it as much of a problem or they wouldn't have been invited. They'd find each other of course but not really get started until after the second drink, usually easy to leave to themselves at that point, and then they'd go home until next time.

[spooky3]

45. Good point! Nt

[bluestarone]

8. Fully agree!

[SouthernIrish]

9. K & R

Madam Speaker is savvy and calculating. I trust that she is in the know about everything going on.

[Cracklin Charlie]

10. Thrilled to agree!

Nancy will run rings around the others, in high heels!

Show them the way, Speaker of the House!

[blm]

11. She'll come through.

As one who supports impeachment, I think her caution will prove to be an asset when the impeachment hits the fan.

[Hortensis]

12. Nancy was going to retire in 2016 knowing the ACA would be safe

in the hands of Hillary and a Democratically controlled senate, and even perhaps house. It's ironic that some of those who villainize her most virulently were undoubtedly among those who created the dreadful need for her to remain in the minority-hell battle to protect the ACA and much more.

She's sacrificing years she planned to spend enjoying family and life to serve her nation. She IS 79 for heavens sake and enduring unending labor and incredible stresses that would break most people.

She is a wonder and a great heroine.

[Thekaspervote]

39. Thank you!! History will smile on madam speaker

[2naSalit]

13. K&R!!!

[LexVegas]

15. Pelosi is smarter and more savvy than anyone that attacks her. We are in good hands. nt

[murielm99]

16. Thank you.

I am tired of the attacks as well.

K&R

[Magoo48]

89. For some of us the slow-walk, tentative, demure, hesitant rope-a-dope routine is getting real old.

A strong response will attract more votes than the present wish-wash. Ain’t it grand we can all have a POV and express it?

[ProfessorPlum]

17. some of us aren't attacking her,

just begging her to do her constitutional duty and impeach based on (now self-admitted) treason. IT's way past time she provided clear leadership on this instead of trying to quash talk of impeachment. She should be leading the charge.

I agree that she knows more than I do about what is going on behind the scenes. But with the precedent of Bush and Cheney getting away with their crimes scot free, with Pelosi's apparent permission, we risk really losing any rule of law in this country. She's got to start leading on this.

[B Stieg]

19. Well said, ProfP!

Thanks. Accurate, balanced appraisals are what we need more of right now!

[Mazeltov Cocktail]

20. Yes. This. Now.

[brutus smith]

23. Criticism is not attacking.

For one, I'm glad we don't "fall in line" like retrumplicans do. And nobody said it was an easy job.

[mountain grammy]

26. Agree!

[Me.]

30. Suggesting She Is Complicit Is Attacking

not criticism

[Laura PourMeADrink]

57. Yes..should be unintended.

[djacq]

37. Accountability starts at the leadership.

If there's no holding this so called POTUS accountable, then democracy comes into question.

[Thekaspervote]

48. Madam speaker is one of the single most accountable leaders the Dems have ever had

Not to mention savvy, politically wise and intelligent

Impeachment doesn’t happen on your timeline or anyone else’s here on DU.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

98. By "anyone else on DU" you do know there are 72% of

All Dems, most All our nominees, many of our most esteemed liberal icons, and 10 million plus who signed moveon petition..most in their history. If I am in that group, I'd say it's a pretty damn good group to be in.

[NRaleighLiberal]

75. THIS. please, no more cult of personality!!!!

[not_the_one]

31. Tactfully stated, ProfP

[Demsrule86]

32. Really...so impeach with no chance of conviction in the senate and lose the house

and the presidency in 20? Her duty is to do what she can to get rid of Trump and impeachment won't work. We have forty moderates in the house that may very well lose their elections in 20 if we impeach. And I doubt she has the votes as we speak for impeachment. We are a year away from a new election. I doubt you could even complete the process of impeachment in time...and Americans don't like impeachment...we impeached Walker in Wisconsin into two more terms.

[Thekaspervote]

50. This... didn't work so well in WI and doubt that going against our dem leaders in the hse is wise

[Demsrule86]

122. I support Pelosi...but I hope she isn't forced into impeachment and we lose it all

in 20. The House concerns me as much as the presidency...the only thing worse than reelecting DT is doing it and giving him a house majority as a bonus.

[GeorgeGist]

60. Surely we all remember OJs tremendous success ...

after he was acquitted.

Clinton's impeachment took about 4 mos.

[Demsrule86]

123. This is not a court action...apples and orange. And there was a great deal of sympathy for

Clinton and the GOP were punished the next election.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

86. Walker wasn't impeached. Your argument falls apart there.

[Demsrule86]

121. The equivalent...he survived a recall...so my argument does not fall apart.

And in that case, there was a chance for removal...there isn't in the impeachment of Trump. I sincerely hope impeachment does not make Trump a winner in 20 and that we don't also lose the moderates in the house and our majority...I get what Trump did, but our hands are pretty much tied...the best thing we could do is investigate and beat Trump in 20...and keep the house...maybe get the Senate.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

124. A recall is very different than impeachment.

I mean just on the basis that impeachment is a constitutional remedy that the government initiates rather than one that is initiated by the voters is an enormous difference.

And in the case of impeachment we are talking about the duties that the members of the House swore to do as they uphold the Constitution. That isn't true of recalls. The House needs to do their job. If the Republicans don't remove him in the Senate, that is their dereliction of duty and they will need to carry that with them throughout their career. And if the House makes a clear case for treason (and, shit, Trump admitted to committing treason with what he has said already--whistleblowers and transcripts can only add to that) and he gets reelected, then we are just fucked as a country and no amount of waiting to impeach until a better time is going to fix the level of stupid we have in this country.

[Demsrule86]

125. It is the same principle in terms of politics...overturning an election. I tire of hearing about

'principle'...the house could do their 'job' and Trump wins again as a result...that would be a disaster. If there was a shot at removal, it would be one thing but he won't go anywhere...so I fail to see the point of it all...we are a year away from an election. We could also lose the house...the moderates are taking a big chance to support impeachment...and we need their votes to much too give them cover...so imagine Trump newly empowered... with the house in his pocket and tell me what principle would have been served. He stays in office longer...but by God we did our duty... This would be legalistic foolishness. I hope for the best...if anyone can manage this successfully, it would be Nancy Pelosi.

[BlueWI]

117. What we had in WI was a stand-pat moderate campaign against Walker.

I really like Tom Barrett personally, but his campaign against Walker was not defined enough by issues and vision.

The lack of a clear policy agenda left room for Walker to win with his schlocky unfulfilled 250,000 private sector jobs promise. But at least he promised something.

Walker already won the pre-recall election. He would have been governor even if the recall hadn't been tried - obviously.

And, just to be accurate, he only served two terms. There weren't "two more terms" after the recall.

[Thekaspervote]

41. You just did... attack her. Stop! She knows what she is doing

[ProfessorPlum]

46. did you forget the sarcasm quotes around "attack"?

ffs

[Celerity]

54. +1

[NRaleighLiberal]

74. THIS.

[Tipperary]

93. This.

Thank you.

[pazzyanne]

18. K & R

Have always supported this talented, dedicated woman!

[Bleacher Creature]

21. Me too!!!

She's obviously going to get there, and I trust her to pull the trigger once she knows that it won't backfire. There's nobody on the planet that understands how Congress works (Harry Reid and, unfortunately, Mitch McConnell come close), and I have complete faith in her.

[barbtries]

22. i'm tired of the attitude that she will never impeach

because she has resisted until now. but I think she's kinda late, given the damage being done every fucking day.

i believe it is inevitable. Pelosi is very smart and she knows her way around. my best guess is she is timing it for the most possible damage to republicans, to help the election. but i just think at some point, by not impeaching she's demonstrating that the constitution doesn't mean much more to democrats than it does to republicans.

anyhow. I respect her immensely. she ain't perfect and nobody is.

[Demsrule86]

33. What is the obsession with inpeachement? It endangers our house majority and we have no path

to conviction in the Senate...we will not remove Trump from office and by impeaching could give him four more years and lose the House too...it is and always was a politically stupid thing to do.

[barbtries]

40. impeachment is the constitutional remedy

for a lawless president. there are children in cages, stolen from their families. he's raiding the cookie jar for his own pockets.

i don't believe it will endanger the majority in the House. Impeachment is a way to get the truth to the american people. but more than anything, it is the constitutional remedy for a president such as trump.

[spooky3]

51. It is no remedy if it fails in the Senate to remove

Donald. It can succeed only when public opinion is energized enough to pressure Senators to remove him.

[barbtries]

77. what can build that pressure?

impeachment. and it's not an exercise in futility even if it does not result in removal. there is a record created.

anyway. I never thought I'd see a black man in the White House. I never believed trump would be president. We actually do not know how it will play out. What we do know is that he is a menace and great damage is being inflicted on a daily basis. If trump can't be impeached, we're fucking done as a democracy.

[spooky3]

78. I think the hearings they are holding will

Accomplish this to the extent that anything can.

[barbtries]

107. i think

the hearings will inevitably lead to impeachment. never has a president deserved it more.

[spooky3]

108. I agree. We've got to get the public to pay attention and care about this. nt

[Perseus]

35. Well put..One more thing, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Regardless of the respect we have for her, some of us are very frustrated at her extreme calculations, that doesn't mean we may be wrong, but it comes a point where frustration is too high from the constant evil being put on us and the World and the inaction by Democrats to carry on with their duties which is to use all their available resources (impeachment being one of them) while the GOP and the creature continue to break the law and shit on the country and the World.

Once again, I could be wrong and her calculations are just perfect, but I cannot hold my frustration at what I see.

I think it was Pierce who said it best, by Democrats not acting they are enabling the creature and his band of cowards to continue their crimes and misdemeanors. We all know that if the roles were reversed that republicans would have subpoenaed and any Democrat who challenged it would be in jail immediately, so why is it the Democrats cannot do the same?

[barbtries]

44. i agree.

trump, miller and republicans are pushing the envelope. this is a perilous time. we need to stand up for the rule of law. impeachment is called for, and has been.

[PatrickforO]

24. Okay, but there is a time when action is required, as in starting formal impeachment,

and that line has been passed, stomped on, peed on and generally ignored by Trump. Doesn't matter what the Senate will or will not do. These members of Congress swore oaths to protect the constitution from enemies both domestic and foreign, and the Trump/McConnell situation surely IS one of domestic enmity. There is no further doubt, and to not act now will end up losing us the election. We must have the will to move forward with what is morally right, not what is politically expedient.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. Very well stated. Not questioning the actions (not the person)

is vital to the health of our party. So underestimated in my mind is the demoralizing effect of millions upon millions of Democrats if we don't impeach. Sure they will drag themselves to the polls but we will need Herculean efforts to overcome the coming election interference which nothing has been done to prevent.

[mountain grammy]

25. Disagreeing is NOT attacking.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. So True!!!

[Clash City Rocker]

109. No. Attacking is attacking, and there's been plenty attacking of her on this board.

[mountain grammy]

110. Not really.

People are mad. I’m mad. At the very least it should have begun with the release of Mueller report.

But now it’s begun and I’m a little less mad.

[Clash City Rocker]

113. So it should have begun before she had the votes

So you could have blamed her for that? She waited until there was enough evidence and enough votes that it might at least pass in the House. Any time sooner and Trump would have scored a major victory with his base. This is how politics works.

[mountain grammy]

114. Sorry

Didn’t realize you had all the answers.

[Gothmog]

27. Speaker Pelosi is an amazing leader

I am also tired of people attacking Speaker Pelosi

[sheshe2]

28. Thank you.

Kick and recommend.

[dlk]

29. I always say she is the savviest politician in Washington & we are very fortunate she's our Speaker

We are at an extremely critical point in our democracy and it would be so much more productive if we could find a way to stay united. Much more gets accomplished that way. Petty sniping at Pelosi only hurts us.

[Enoki33]

34. Sadly there are some who have forgotten. Needs repeating n/t.

[Dave in VA]

36. k/r

[Sloumeau]

42. Love Nancy, sick of the bashers.

[jmbar2]

43. +1000

Why is it that when the Trump crime family stories come to light, we put Nancy Pelosi on trial?

If I were a Russian propagandist, that's exactly what I would be trying to do right now. Kneecap Nancy Pelosi because she is so good at what she does.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. No one is attacking her. People question policies

and practices which is perfectly legitimate and important for us to do. When there is one person central to our great party's decisioning on such a vital issue what else can you do? Question the actions of a congressional page?

[Thekaspervote]

52. Unfortunately there are lots of people right here on DU attacking her. Twitter has turned vile

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. Should make people wonder why ? I have been a Dem

since before I was born and never remember this ever happening before. The enormous groundswell to stand up against wrong. And the feeling of being stymied by the only person you can seemingly look to.

[athena]

71. Maybe the groundswell is the point.

Maybe she wants the people to force the Democratic party to impeach. The strongest political action is always grassroots-driven. Is it not possible to argue in favor of impeachment without attacking the Speaker?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

81. I didn't say "attacking" but it's impossible NOT to look toward

the decider in my mind for action. Whoever the decider is. It strikes me that what you suggest would be an unusual strategy. As a leader, act lukewarm (at best) and say something is not a top priority with hopes that that approach elicits a groundswell to do the opposite?

[CaptainTruth]

55. So am I.

Pelosi made it clear months ago that when (note she didn't say IF, she said WHEN) we impeach she wanted an ironclad case. One that would actually DO something & not just be a slap on the wrist where Trump gets a quick acquittal in the Senate & he & the GOP who supports him pay little to no price for it.

I'm frankly stunned & disappointed by how many folks have bashed Pelosi for not rushing into impeachment without that ironclad case so Trump could get a fast & easy Senate acquittal & pay no real price for what he's done. And, it would all be long-forgotten old news when average voters cast their ballots more than a year later. And, it wouldn't stop anything, Trump would still be POTUS & the Trump/GOP carnage would continue unabated.

Rushing into impeachment without an ironclad case, one that can survive all the way to SCOTUS, amounts to letting Trump (& the GOP) off the hook with no real penalty. Why do so many people support letting Trump off the hook????? I want the ironclad case!!!! I want to nail every damn one of the bastards!!!!

[pandr32]

56. 100% agree

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. Do not go on Twitter then. Hundreds upon hundreds

Of Dems saying a lot worse than anything here for sure.

[ismnotwasm]

59. K&R

[Hermit-The-Prog]

61. she scares the shit out of GOPers, that's why they attack her

Just like they did with Hillary, the RWNJs attack those they fear.

[Me.]

69. The Problem Is...It's Not Just The GOPers

but Dems and the pundit world at large

[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. I know

It's sad. I credit frustration and an over-estimation of the power of the Speaker, in general, and Nancy as Speaker, in particular. She's good, but can't carry the world in her handbag.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

100. I think too that we have no leader. We won't until a

nominee is chosen. At this abnormal and unbelievable time we need someone desperately.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

101. completely disagree. Speaker Pelosi is leading the party right now.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

115. Not talking a procedural leader..talking policy leader. But

We will as soon as a nominee is selected.

[Politicub]

63. K&R to Speaker Pelosi support!

She has and continues to do an amazing job.

[Tipperary]

64. Plenty of people who do NOT post here think she is not moving swiftly enough.

AOC, Warren, Harris, Dan Rather, and many more.

Perhaps you should chastise them.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. My favorite is Steve Cohen D-TN. He's got his own

Articles ready and waiting

[Me.]

76. Let's See...

AOC has been in Congress how many months? Yep, must be an expert by now on what Leader Pelosi should be doing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

91. Sounds like op needs to post a complete list. We

Intuitively know there is a vast list but haven't seen one.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

92. Oops...how about John Lewis? He just said on the

Floor.." I have been patient long enough."

[Tipperary]

94. Ha!

I guess the op can chastise him too.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

96. Lol. They said the entire black caucus will support

Impeachment now, given Lewis's stand.

Jeez thought Biden (my guy) already supported Impeachment. Giving address today..CNN headline "Biden: if the president doesn't comply with Congress he's for Impeachment.". What a strange way to say that.

[Me.]

95. John Lewis Knows Where Things Stand

and I would bet a million he didn't say that without consultation.

[StarfishSaver]

118. And until today, he was one of the "spineless cowards" whose behavior was a bigger national

scandal than Trump's

Or so we were told.

It's interesting he said today "the time has now come ..." - in other words, he didn't believe until today that they should take this action. Which means he agreed with Pelosi.

[JohnnyRingo]

66. Amen.

True words.

[happy feet]

70. K&R

Even when I get frustrated and have doubts about her inaction on impeachment, she has surely EARNED my benefit of any doubt.

[NurseJackie]

72. She's a convenient target for those who hate the Democratic party...

She's a convenient target for those who hate the Democratic party, and who want demonize her. It servers absolutely ZERO good purpose. It only creates resentment, suspicion and division... and that weakens us. That sort of negativity from a wide variety of malcontents only generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Mixing two completely different things. You are

Referring to the wingnuts who hate Democrats and have been taught to ridicule her to the nth degree.

Good Democrats who LOVE their party and who have always admired her for other reasons who look to her for taking a strong stand is a completely different topic at hand.

And it's not standing strong with the will of 72% of the Democratic party that breeds ' apathy and low voter turnout.' In my mind anyway.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

79. KR NT

[Wounded Bear]

80. K & R...nt

[FakeNoose]

82. I believe Speaker Pelosi wants to impeach Chump just like we all do

However she's being very cautious because she doesn't want to jeopardize the election, especially for the House members in purple districts who might be vulnerable next year. She's considering all the ramifications that the impeachment would have on the entire Party.

I give her credit, Speaker Pelosi is a master strategic 3-D chess player. However I'm afraid she's being too cautious and we'll miss the chance to dump Chump altogether. If we don't impeach Chump now, it should only be because our chances to get him will be even better after the election next year. That has to be her strategy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. Ew.. thought you were talking about the original Chump

Bush who started a war based on false premises.

[FakeNoose]

88. The impeachment is ON!

I wrote this post before I saw that the House is going to impeach Chump! It's on the news this morning.
The wait is over, this is happening now!

[Indykatie]

83. What Pisses Me Off is the Anger Over Impeachment Directly Solely at Pelosi and Not the House Members

who were still sitting on the fence. Pelosi did the right thing about not bringing up impeachment until she had the votes to pass it. Imagine the embarrassment if Dems failed to pass articles of impeachment. Pelosi saw the bigger picture and protected our Dem majority by not forcing those red/purple district Dems to vote on impeachment too soon. Like it or not the polling on impeachment is roughly even so the country has not been demanding impeachment by even a majority. That may change with the Ukraine scandal. We'll have to see.

[Jakes Progress]

90. Criticize, attack, bash. It's all the same.

She is smarter than any of those attacking. They want to say it isn't attacking, but when you criticize any of their heroes, then you are attacking.

It doesn't matter what you call it, you are saying that you are wiser and more politically savvy than her. And you are wrong.

She knows. If we spend the election year on impeachment, we will lose the senate, and probable the house. Even is trump goes down, he will be replaced by someone just as odious.

All because we wanted to stomp our self-righteous foot and watch he fireworks. Wlheee. Isn't the specticle grand. Of course the soldiers on the ground, the children in cages, the evironment on fire won't be as amused.

Win the election. Win the Senate. Keep the House. That's the only way to begin to fix things.

[Bradical79]

97. Boo hoo

Sounds like she's finally doing the right thing today, at least, so it's over with as long as she doesn't say anything else counterproductive.

[brer cat]

99. +1000000

K&R

[emmaverybo]

103. Agree with all you said so well. She is one of the most powerful, effective, and savvy politicians

of our time.

[beachbumbob]

104. You can't attack Pelosi around here, not allowed to say anything

critical.

[Cha]

106. Nancy sure does know way more about

what's going than anyone bashing her.

[intheflow]

111. Welp, we won't have to diss her now that's she's following the Constitution

and planning impeachment hearings on the orange motherfucker. That's what 99% of what the complaining has been about.

[betsuni]

112. K&R

[nolabear]

116. Damn skippy. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean she's not doing it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

119. So am I, and MSNBC is the worst offender. I used to watch Joy, Ari & Rachel religiously. I'm now..

down to Rachel only.

[NCLefty]

120. It's the nature of politics. She handles it pretty well. :D