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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump won't be prosecuted for Ukraine call about Biden. But Rudy Giuliani can. (Mimi Rocah)
Former Prosecutor Mimi Rocah is OVER Giuliani and she's going to have his scalp, it appears. It was reported earlier that the NY Bar has received complaints and maybe evaluating his license.Link to tweet
While Attorney General William Barr has made it clear that he will not prosecute Trump due to current DOJ policy, Giuliani enjoys no such privilege or immunity.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-can-t-be-prosecuted-ukraine-call-about-biden-rudy-ncna1058196
With respect to Ukraine, most of the focus, rightfully, rests on President Donald Trumps conduct, but the conduct of his attorney Rudolph Giuliani also deserves serious attention. Based on the facts already in the public arena, the Department of Justice has more than enough basis to open a federal criminal investigation into the former New York mayor.
Lets start with the basic facts as reported by multiple news organizations and as essentially confirmed by Trump in public statements: In one conversation between Trump and Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25, Trump made about eight demands for Zelensky to work with Giuliani to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter. On Tuesday, Trump confirmed reports that his administration froze nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine, but said that move was unrelated to any requests for information from the Ukrainians.
Based on the facts already in the public arena, the Department of Justice has more than enough basis to open a federal criminal investigation into the former New York mayor.
It is not yet clear if Trump explicitly mentioned the hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid previously promised to Ukraine during the July 25 call but whether he did or did not is legally irrelevant. It does seem clear, however, that the Trump-Zelensky conversations are part of a broader campaign by Trump to pressure Ukraine into doing election opposition research, using previously promised military aid package as leverage.
And the demands that Ukraine investigate Joe Biden included repeated, personal exhortations by Trump to work with Giuliani. In addition, Giuliani has by his own admission personally pushed Ukrainian officials to conduct such an investigation. And Giuliani cant say definitively that Trump did not threaten Ukraine.
Lets start with the basic facts as reported by multiple news organizations and as essentially confirmed by Trump in public statements: In one conversation between Trump and Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25, Trump made about eight demands for Zelensky to work with Giuliani to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter. On Tuesday, Trump confirmed reports that his administration froze nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine, but said that move was unrelated to any requests for information from the Ukrainians.
Based on the facts already in the public arena, the Department of Justice has more than enough basis to open a federal criminal investigation into the former New York mayor.
It is not yet clear if Trump explicitly mentioned the hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid previously promised to Ukraine during the July 25 call but whether he did or did not is legally irrelevant. It does seem clear, however, that the Trump-Zelensky conversations are part of a broader campaign by Trump to pressure Ukraine into doing election opposition research, using previously promised military aid package as leverage.
And the demands that Ukraine investigate Joe Biden included repeated, personal exhortations by Trump to work with Giuliani. In addition, Giuliani has by his own admission personally pushed Ukrainian officials to conduct such an investigation. And Giuliani cant say definitively that Trump did not threaten Ukraine.
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Trump won't be prosecuted for Ukraine call about Biden. But Rudy Giuliani can. (Mimi Rocah) (Original Post)
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
OP
She's talking about Guiliani. She is NOT suggesting we not go after Trump/Barr via impeachment
hlthe2b
Sep 2019
#4
Hearing Mitch McConnell just now I think rump just may be impeached if he did this Ukraine thing. nt
UniteFightBack
Sep 2019
#6
Criminal Barr needs to resign. This is not his call. He is involved.
hlthe2b
(101,713 posts)3. NY Bar has received formal complaints. The will investigate his license.
She's commenting on her total disgust for Giuliani, having been a Federal Prosecutor herself at SDNY.
She isn't saying Trump, Barr or any of the others should not be dealt with. Only that Giuliani is very much incriminated legally.
TheRealNorth
(9,435 posts)2. We're not gonna prosecute him, Mimi
We are gonna IMPEACH HIM.
And after that, Barr better hope we don't prosecute him for Obstruction of Justice
hlthe2b
(101,713 posts)4. She's talking about Guiliani. She is NOT suggesting we not go after Trump/Barr via impeachment
or even prosecution thereafter.
Her point is that Giuliani is very clearly incriminated.
ffr
(22,644 posts)5. Who ya' gonna call? 1-800-RudyDo.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)6. Hearing Mitch McConnell just now I think rump just may be impeached if he did this Ukraine thing. nt
dweller
(23,559 posts)7. what did the turtle say?
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